Please forgive me for asking

[Teazle]

Originally Posted by lch

what is 'default bit rate' ?
if there such a thing, the 'default bit rate' will be the raw picture of each and every single frame uncompress with a resolution of 4k and multiply by 24 frame/sec.
Some studio use your lower bit rate of 24Mbps such as warner so that they can fit the movie to both medium to save their time from encoding 2nd time and save money. but this stuff some of the movie. and although hd 'interactive' spec is so well define, they don't have enough bandwidth to implement it in HD.

In addition, re: the silly part about it somehow costing more to encode at a higher bit rate -- compressing video is not like writing pulp fiction where you are paid by the word. Encoders do not invoice by the bit.

[Anthony P]

i use that title 1st and foremost to get people to read...and obviously it worked.

I am sure you would get as many answers with a different title. The issue with your title is that it disrespect the people here that you want to get answers and the site owners.

2nd in the short time i've been here i've done a lot of reading...i've seen some pretty uncalled for actions and anything short of complete endorsement of blu-ray gets frowned upon. for example, relentless bashing of a guy that sold his ps3 and his movies. very uncalled for and very childish. no one should have to explain their financial predicaments and defend themselves for having sold their possessions. i imagine many hear arent even old enough to have gone through a bankruptcy, a bitter divorce, medical hardships etc. that would justify liquidating one's blu-ray possessions. i just think that if everyone toned down the 'extreme' support and sounded a little more factual rather than opinionated, it would make what is being said a little more believable...imho

wjhat you are missing is that most people can smell BS a mile a way. Also people know other posters and people. There are many trolls out there and many times they reappear. There was a person that got banned 5 times in a couple of days because he was only here to troll (not that particular case). Just because people have no patience for miserable people that register to misinform and mislead others does not make them bad people

[Anthony P]

to which someone replied.. "Bit rate don't matter anymore, its an old argument. HD DVD uses the default Bit rate just as the studio films to, so it costs pennies to transfer over to HD DVD where as Blu-Ray's 30 to 48 Mbps would costs them dollars. Studios use 24 Mbps (22 ot 24?) for the movies and thanks to Toshiba's new Firmware update, HD DVD now has the same Bit Rate as studios use for the movies. So transfer is a breeze. Blu-Ray is a different story, Studios always had a hard time transfering movies to 30-48 Mbps which in turn costs dollars instead of pennies."

think, does it make any sense?

1) studios don't have encoded masters, they have digital uncompressed masters on tapes (or go back to the original film)

2) why would it cost more to encode something at 37mbops instead of 24mbps? actually it is the opposite (if we look at BW as capacity) think about it, you want to stuff a lot of stuff in a small car, it takes longer and more effort then a bit more content in a much bigger vehicle (where you can just throw it in without a care.

3) Let’s pretend we are mildly (OK, completely) gullible and we assume we accept what was said. What is to stop a studio that is cheap to put the cheaper encode on BD? Nothing forces a studio to use a 30-48 instead of a 22-24.

[Anthony P]

i hear you, and agree. unfortunately, better doesnt always win. i guess the hd-dvd goal is to muddy up the water so much so that noone but guys at your level really know what's the better value.

not at all, most of the HD DVD supporters are there to make sure HD does not win and we don't move to it. MS (for example) has said many times the only thing they are interested in is having multimedia PCs in all the living rooms with HDDs that have low quality downloaded content. The whole raison d' être of HD DVD is to last long enough so people start thinking, like SACD and DVD-A, that quality disked content is not going anywhere and they look else where.

[TauRus]

Originally Posted by Anthony P

not at all, most of the HD DVD supporters are there to make sure HD does not win and we don't move to it. MS (for example) has said many times the only thing they are interested in is having multimedia PCs in all the living rooms with HDDs that have low quality downloaded content. The whole raison d' être of HD DVD is to last long enough so people start thinking, like SACD and DVD-A, that quality disked content is not going anywhere and they look else where.

Excellent point, Anthony!

[Knight-Errant]

Originally Posted by TauRus

Excellent point, Anthony!

This is the crux of the matter. Unfortunately I also think there's a tendency to root for the underdog in our culture but that's dangerous when the underdog just doesn't deserve to win for very good reasons.

[haushausman]

Can someone put tis thread's URL on the AVS boards... I get a headache from all the FUD there.

Would they just delete this thread if it was posted? I hear their admins are ruthless anti-blu-ray people.

[haushausman]

Originally Posted by brian lawson

So who is right?

Ummmmm.... that Wikipedia link didn't prove anything to you?!

Pretty cut and dry...

[Scorxpion]

Originally Posted by haushausman

Can someone put tis thread's URL on the AVS boards... I get a headache from all the FUD there.

Would they just delete this thread if it was posted? I hear their admins are ruthless anti-blu-ray people.

It Doesnt Matter BD will win at the end ,believe me what you do there cannot deserve a cent or even a pennies.AVS is a place where you can market FUD,Troll,lies,unrespect and Illusion.

for a simple reason cannot accept why BD is better than HD-DVD

[Knight-Errant]

It's horrible when a really well liked and respected board like that with a strong sense of community just gets bought out and becomes this propaganda factory.

It's just a horrible outcome of the format war.

[spam.curitiba]

Originally Posted by Knight-Errant

It's horrible when a really well liked and respected board like that with a strong sense of community just gets bought out and becomes this propaganda factory.

It's just a horrible outcome of the format war.

Yah...I have stopped going there a while ago