Everyone loves Halloween 'cept HDDigest?

[Xerious]

Originally Posted by Dave Mack

Since Bracke dropped my name and used my pics for the example. I just wanna be on the record. Halloween PQ wise looks AMAZING. Jaw-dropping. Surprisingly great.
All I did was point out that some of the previously contested scenes, (kitchen confrontation for example) still look like the divimax. The Way over the top blues that were in the Cundey supervised THX dvd transfer from 1999, no doubt pumped up by him are not there. It looks like the greyish-white from the divimax transfer. Now, the day scenes all look good, (in the divimax, the grass was too green and it indeed looked like spring in LA) and they have tweaked that correctly. It's just some of the night scenes.


The cundey THX transfer (dvd) played in the PS3, same as the BD...






Now, the BD, same player, same settings, same EVERYTHING...





Oh and I do the BD looks phenomenal. Jaw-droppingly so and I would not suggest to anyone NOT to buy it just because of this.

i uttery confused by your post...

[ryoohki]

I one of the rare Halloween fan who don't like the overly blueist THX Version. The BD still have blue, but it's very light.

I saw the HD version a while ago on a HD channel and it's looked very good, it was the same transfert as the BD and i liked the look.

Since almost no version has the same blue tint, even the Approuved Laserdisc is not as blue as the Approved DVD, seems to me that someone doesn't know what he wants...

[Dave Mack]

Originally Posted by Xerious

i uttery confused by your post...

Because I took the screenshots bracke originally referred to in his review to show that the new BD still does not match the THX DP approved DVD in several of the night scenes.
It looks like the divimax transfer. The dayshots all seem to be pretty close now. In the divimax, fall in Illinois looked like Spring in Los Angeles, (which it was...) but those are good now.

[KenThompson]

Bracke is such a dick. I've read all the reviews and they all seem to like the new bd. One and a half stars is just plain bull shit. The guy should be removed from his post for doing video reviews as he hasn't got a clue. There are alot of dud fanbois on that site as well and they are probably laughing after seeing that review. Its just time to stop looking at that site as its not really looking out for the consumer, its just self serving for moron reviewers with an axe to grind. I'm dropping this site from my favorites as of now.

[ryoohki]

Originally Posted by Dave Mack

Because I took the screenshots bracke originally referred to in his review to show that the new BD still does not match the THX DP approved DVD in several of the night scenes.
It looks like the divimax transfer. The dayshots all seem to be pretty close now. In the divimax, fall in Illinois looked like Spring in Los Angeles, (which it was...) but those are good now.

BTW the DP Approved LD(LaserDisc) is much less blue than the THX DP Transfert.. It's Ironic.. isn't it..

[RedIsNotBlue]

So let me get this straight. The video quality got a bad review because they made the lighting different in some scenes?

[Dave Mack]

Cundey himself personally supervised the THX transfer so it was more than just approved and he did it later.
He most likely dialed the blues up for certain shots to have it look more like what he wanted.
The new BD in those shots, looks like the divimax, which many fans blasted when it was released.

[Deciazulado]

Again, I ask, since when a DVD video is the last word on Cinema? I have seen like 5 different video versions of the Wizard of Oz, 3 of An American In Paris, etc etc, all different and all more "approved" than the last, till the next one comes out. You need film historians and original reference prints to know how it's supposed to look. colorimetry is a very complex science, and art much much more

And hey even Apocaliptic DPs approve of cropping 20% of the image because it looks to them better on video.. The film print is still 2.40

[Steelmaker]

Originally Posted by Dave Mack

Cundey himself personally supervised the THX transfer so it was more than just approved and he did it later.
He most likely dialed the blues up for certain shots to have it look more like what he wanted.
The new BD in those shots, looks like the divimax, which many fans blasted when it was released.

So let me get this straight. The blue hue was NOT there when the movie was originally released at the theater? This was something that was added years later when they did the THX transfer to what? Laserdisk? So did people complain when Cundey added the blue effect, changing the look of the film from the original reference?

As far as I'm concerned, this is a complete BS nitpick of the film. Who gives a crap whether the night scenes have a blue tint or if they just look natural? Does it really make that much of a difference to the film? Not in my opinion. I owned the Divimax version and never ever noticed or gave it any thought. Only when I read about it here and saw the screen comparisons did I even realize there was a difference. Still, there was absolutely no reason to give the PQ a 1.5 out of 5 just because of the stupid missing blue hue. What a bunch of un professional malarky. That's a classic case of a reviewier allowing personal feelings to get in the way of what should be an impartial review.

[Longshot]

Originally Posted by Steelmaker

So let me get this straight. The blue hue was NOT there when the movie was originally released at the theater? This was something that was added years later when they did the THX transfer to what? Laserdisk? So did people complain when Cundey added the blue effect, changing the look of the film from the original reference?

As far as I'm concerned, this is a complete BS nitpick of the film. Who gives a crap whether the night scenes have a blue tint or if they just look natural? Does it really make that much of a difference to the film? Not in my opinion. I owned the Divimax version and never ever noticed or gave it any thought. Only when I read about it here and saw the screen comparisons did I even realize there was a difference. Still, there was absolutely no reason to give the PQ a 1.5 out of 5 just because of the stupid missing blue hue. What a bunch of un professional malarky. That's a classic case of a reviewier allowing personal feelings to get in the way of what should be an impartial review.

Agreed. I really have to question Bracke's agenda. If the slight change in lighting pisses you off that much maybe one should get another hobby.

[SolidBlu]

i don't care with Bracke's reviews, i am still getting this classic film, no matter what, as a sign of my SOLID BLU support!

[Rob71]

Originally Posted by SolidBlu

i don't care with Bracke's reviews, i am still getting this classic film, no matter what, as a sign of my SOLID BLU support!

I'll not only get this, but also Dracula. All the crap lately about PQ is hillarious. I guess if you're HD-DVD and don't have enough quality releases to keep up with BD, just trash their releases. Now if you want to talk PQ issues what about Knocked Up?

[owa]

I thought PB was a purist.

I did find some weak spots. One could argue that the source has been cleaned up so much that it looks too good, resulting in a digital feel to the transfer that may anger some purists -- to be sure, any "film-like" feel is long gone. Fleshtones look "painted on," which hardly helps realism (though to be fair, the excessive make-up may have something to do with it, and the "kabuki face" look is entirely typical to musicals of the period).

http://bluray.highdefdigest.com/893/vivalasvegas.html

Nevertheless, PQ got a 4.5 stars.

Not that I mind the rating. I guess I just don't understand the inconsistency.

[Merlins]

I posted this in the feed-back forum at HighDefDigest on June 3 and all I can say is that I'm not surprised over the review from Peter Bracke...

http://forums.highdefdigest.com/showthread.php?p=149886

Originally Posted by Merlins

I agree to that the reviews by Peter M. Bracke seams a a bit weird and useless. I haven't comment the reviews before because I don't usually read them so well but the name Peter Brakcke got my attention the first time then he as one of the few (only review?) did not think Casino Royale had good PQ.

I thought that I could be right and that he was not biased because it was the first time I noticed his name and even if it looked biased, one time is no time. But unfortunately it seams like it has continued since then (and probably before CR). Latest review of The River for HD-DVD from Peter got the Bottom line "Give it a Rent" with three stars in total with only three stars in movie, PQ and AQ while for example House of Flying Daggers got 1.5 stars more in AQ and a half star more in supplements only got the bottom line "For Fans Only" and 2.5 stars in total even if it got more stars than The River. Same goes for The Great Raid with a half star more in the movie it self, one star more in both AQ and PQ and in supplement. In total it got a half star less than The River!!!

This continue with almost all the Blu-ray titles compared to the HD-DVD titles and is contradicted with other reviews on other sites.


I give Peter M. Bracke the Bottom Line "For HD-DVD fanboys only".

Edit: I did not start this thread but I was just about to start on just like it. This is not my first or second post or even my 30 post...

[Merlins]

Originally Posted by owa

I thought PB was a purist.



http://bluray.highdefdigest.com/893/vivalasvegas.html

Nevertheless, PQ got a 4.5 stars.

Not that I mind the rating. I guess I just don't understand the inconsistency.

It was not an exclusive title for Blu-ray. He want to give the HD-DVD version a good rating. The same codec is used on HD-DVD so it's hard for him to give a different rating for the Blu-ray version than for the HD-DVD version...

[marzetta7]

Someone either in this post or another brought up an interesting comment--that Bracke typically gives WB transfers glowing reviews.

I wonder what the breakdown of PQ quality by studio would be based off of his reviews...ya know for accuracy sakes.

[BStecke]

I was checking out the screenshots that Dave Mack posted at HDD, and these stood out to me. Look at the detail you can see on the siding of the house, and, especially, the pumpkin and the railing/slats on the porch. I thought it was cool, as some people think upconverted DVD's are even close to Blu-ray, and this really shows an exponential increase in detail. I think the color issue, if even an issue, is small and will be forgotten by most when they see this movie look better than it ever has.

[Steelmaker]

Originally Posted by BStecke

I was checking out the screenshots that Dave Mack posted at HDD, and these stood out to me. Look at the detail you can see on the siding of the house, and, especially, the pumpkin and the railing/slats on the porch. I thought it was cool, as some people think upconverted DVD's are even close to Blu-ray, and this really shows an exponential increase in detail. I think the color issue, if even an issue, is small and will be forgotten by most when they see this movie look better than it ever has.

That's what I kept thinking BStecke. I was so impressed by the huge increase in detail that the whole "issue" over the blue hue was....well...a non-issue. If changing the color scheme had anything to do with adding this much detail to the film, then I say screw the blue!

[Deciazulado]

Well cyanish blue is the opposite color from orange so making the image extra blue (by decreasing it's opposite and boosting le blu) would tend to cancel/grey-out/blacken da pumpkin orange

[Dave Mack]

The additional detail and PQ in general is INDEED amazing.

Jaw-droppingly so.