"1080i is better than 1080p"...

[sardaukar1977]

Originally Posted by buckshot

burgertime man, burgertime.

Well I personally liked Missile Command, and to the post about 1080i being better then 1080p, lol.

[StilettoViper]

Originally Posted by SDG

Thanks Sling.

StilettoViper, I did not write the artical. That is one of many that I found, they all say the same thing. I just searched progressive verses interlaced before I bought my tv. This is not a Bias'ed subject that can be argued. P is better than I. By the way, I own a 40" 720p. I cant afford the best (1080p)

There's no difference between 1080i and 1080p on non-CRAP TV's....

[eat_me_cool]

Originally Posted by StilettoViper

There's no difference between 1080i and 1080p on non-CRAP TV's....

If a 24fps film is being played, possibly not on a 1080p screen - but by 'crappy' you mean a 1080i screen. There also the issue that not all Blu-ray content is 24fps but recorded at 1080i/p, then there would be a difference between 1080i/p.

The major difference is between 1080i/p and a frequency multiplying 1080/24 though.

[dobyblue]

Originally Posted by SDG

Thanks Sling.

StilettoViper, I did not write the artical. That is one of many that I found, they all say the same thing. I just searched progressive verses interlaced before I bought my tv. This is not a Bias'ed subject that can be argued. P is better than I. By the way, I own a 40" 720p. I cant afford the best (1080p)

The article is correct for a 1080i television.

If it's a 1080p television that can deinterlace properly, then 1080i is better than 720p.

[Sonny]

Originally Posted by Blu-Ray Buckeye

Fiction! These games were all released in the arcade in 1982 and not available on the Atari 2600 until several years later.

Look BD-BrokeBack, the Atari I have was made in 1981 I dont care when the games came out , these are games I have , & I did not say they were made in 1981, so go F*CK your self dip SH*T

[mystiksuicide]

My favorite game is still Nintendo 64k Super Mario Bros. I still play that game regurlaly.

Images of Mario sleeping hhhm pizzzza.

[dobyblue]

Originally Posted by Blu-Ray Buckeye

Fiction! These games were all released in the arcade in 1982 and not available on the Atari 2600 until several years later.

Centipede was released into Arcades in 1980 by Atari.

The Atari 2600 was released in 1977.
Space Invaders came out in January 1980.

[mikem471]

Originally Posted by bhampton

People will sing the praises of 1080i right up to the moment they can afford 1080p.

-Brian

Give that man a prize!!!

[dB/dt]

Originally Posted by SDG

This artical explaines it good. More to it than this.

http://techdigs.net/content/view/53/42
The problem with interlacing technology is this alternating line drawing tends to cause the eyes to see a flicker. Unfortunately, interlacing reared its ugly head again in the 1990s when established HDTV standards included both 720p and 1080i options. Some broadcast networks use 1280x720p (720 lines progressively displayed) and some use 1920x1080i (540 even lines drawn, then 540 odd lines drawn). As of 2006, no U.S. broadcast network uses 1080p, or 'full HD' (1920x1080p).
The problem with 1080i is that despite having more total lines, it generally doesn't look as good as 720p. This is especially true for high-motion video such as sports. If you have a large (over 46") HDTV hooked up properly and want to see an example of this, watch a punt return on HDTV NBC Sunday Night Football, and then watch a punt return on HDTV Monday Night ESPN Football. The difference is significant. With far less aliasing (visible chunky pixels), ESPN's 1280x720p looks substantially better than NBC's 1920x1080i. While some of this may be due to the compression used by NBC or the cable outlet, most of it is due to interlacing.

The hd dvd that some are so proud of due to its low low price is 1080i. Sub-standard.

This is all correct, until you imply it has anything to do with HD optical media.

The above discussion pertains to broadcast sources, not HD optical media. Since the material on HD optical media is stored at 24fps, on a 1080p60 display, the image from a 1080i or 1080p source will be IDENTICAL. This has been mentioned previously in this thread (and many, many other places).

However, displays capable of displaying 1080p signals at 24fps (or a multiple thereof) DO benefit from a player sending a 1080p signal at frequency that is a multiple of 24. This is where 1080p IS superior, and not simply marketing hype. You rid yourself of judder that comes from the 3:2 processing converting 60Hz to a multiple of 24.

The short version is, if you have a digital display not capable of 24fps display, 1080i and 1080p signals from HD optical media are equivalent. If you have a display that can present signals at a frequency multiple of 24, find a player capable of outputting 1080p at a frequency multiple of 24fps, as you will eliminate judder.

[SNAP]

ROTFLMFAO.........Come on now Sonny.....stop holding back.

Originally Posted by Sonny

Look BD-BrokeBack, the Atari I have was made in 1981 I dont care when the games came out , these are games I have , & I did not say they were made in 1981, so go F*CK your self dip SH*T

[Sonny]

Originally Posted by SNAP

ROTFLMFAO.........Come on now Sonny.....stop holding back.

Snap , u know were kool but this guy

[SNAP]

Oh Jeees.......I had that thing too............lol

Originally Posted by Sling

heheh how about that very small Timex Computer lol..That thing did have some power in 1982.

A flash into the past

Introduced: July 1982
Price: US $99.95
How many? 500,000 in first 6 months
Weight: 12 ounces
CPU: Zilog Z80A, 3.25MHz
RAM: 2K, 64K max
Display: 22 X 32 text
hooks to TV
Ports: memory, cassette
Peripherals: Cassette recorder
T/S printer
OS: ROM BASIC

[SNAP]

Nobody's perfect brother.

Originally Posted by Sonny

Snap , u know were kool but this guy

[JadedRaverLA]

I still don't see where anyone has really answered this.

You have to understand the difference between 1080p24 and 1080p60. If your TV accepts a 1080p24 signal directly from your BD player, that is far and away the best way to send the signal. If not, then the player has to take the 1080p24 signal, process it through a 3:2 pulldown to create a 1080i60 signal. Once you have the 1080i60 signal, you can either have the player deinterlace it to 1080p60 or send it to the TV as 1080i and let the TV deinterlace it. Which looks better depends on which does a better job of deinterlacing the signal.

Some players (the A20, A30, and A35 on the HD DVD side) do a terrible job of deinterlacing, and so it's much better to send the signal as 1080i. And, of course, the A1, A2, and A3 on the HD DVD side, won't deinterlace at all so you have to send the signal as 1080i. On the Blu-ray side things are a bit different, but it's worth trying both output settings to see which produces the better picture quality on your setup.

[Baritonic21]

Originally Posted by stockstar1138

yes, but as far as the picture looking smoother, he is totally off, he is going to see flicker with 1080i and this is going to hurt fast action scenes a lot. and won't a lot of deinterlacing tvs, simply just line double, which will make the picture a 540p upscaled to 1080p picture.

talkin bout a flicker...I wanna see that person watch bourne ultimatum with 1080i...its already got a shaky camera

[mikem471]

Originally Posted by Blu-Ray Buckeye

Fiction! These games were all released in the arcade in 1982 and not available on the Atari 2600 until several years later.

Wrong! Centipede was released in the arcades in 1980.

[br85]

Originally Posted by Baritonic21

talkin bout a flicker...I wanna see that person watch bourne ultimatum with 1080i...its already got a shaky camera

Yeah I hated that shaky camera in Bourne 2 and 3. I realise it's the director's vision and all, but do we really need 30-50 shots a minute? And with every shot not being a still one? YUCK! I watched deja vu's action scenes carefully today on blu-ray - MUCH better looking, longer (timewise) still shots, and still created the same sense of urgency that bourne did, only without making you feel uncomfortable or about to become an epileptic.

[SDG]

Originally Posted by dobyblue

The article is correct for a 1080i television.

If it's a 1080p television that can deinterlace properly, then 1080i is better than 720p.

I defenetly agree with you. I dont thing the origional post was talking about using a 1080p TV converting a 1080i signal.

[DJeffries]

On a fixed panel 1080P set you will only see 1080P displayed no mater what you feed it. The display will upconvert any 1080i or lower res signal.

If feeding 1080i and you see deinterlace artifacts then the display is not doing a good job of deinterlacing. 1080P from a good source will look better.

If feeding 1080P and see these artifacts then the source is not doing a good job of deinterlacing. It is possible that the display will do a better job of deinterlacing that the source. In this case a 1080i signal will look better than 1080P.

Unmolested 1080P source to display will always look best.

[Danno]

Originally Posted by DJeffries

On a fixed panel 1080P set you will only see 1080P displayed no mater what you feed it. The display will upconvert any 1080i or lower res signal.

If feeding 1080i and you see deinterlace artifacts then the display is not doing a good job of deinterlacing. 1080P from a good source will look better.

If feeding 1080P and see these artifacts then the source is not doing a good job of deinterlacing. It is possible that the display will do a better job of deinterlacing that the source. In this case a 1080i signal will look better than 1080P.

Unmolested 1080P source to display will always look best.

This is true. But for those of you who keep mentioning "flicker" on 1080i, you are sorely mistaken. There is no flickering involved. You will see jaggies (de-interlacing) on diagonal edges and curved edges if the pull down conversion is poor, but there is no 1080i set in existence that has problems with flickering. This is simply not true, at all.

And for the person who compared 480i to 480p as a valid analogy for what the difference between 1080i and 1080p looks like, you might want to set up an appointment with the optometrist.