Why are Star Trek fans so bitter about the reboot?

[mrr1]

I liked the 2009 movie.


'Into Darkness' was decent, but it felt stale to me because like the first movie it was just another revenge plot on Earth. They really needed to explore space in that one.

[i007spectre]

Originally Posted by mrr1

They really needed to explore space in that one.

Like I said before I have high hopes now that they are on the "five year mission"

[Lord Method Man]

Originally Posted by i007spectre

Like I said before I have high hopes now that they are on the "five year mission"

Oh I'm sure in the third film we'll be right back at Earth again, with the Enterprise yet yet yet again being the only starship in the vicinity despite being in orbit of the main headquarters of Starfleet.

[benbess]

Originally Posted by mrr1

I liked the 2009 movie.


'Into Darkness' was decent, but it felt stale to me because like the first movie it was just another revenge plot on Earth. They really needed to explore space in that one.

I don't really think you can just "explore" in a $190 million-dollar Star Trek movie.

That's really what a Star Trek television show would be for. It's more possible to just explore if an episode costs $3-5 million.

[Iron-Fisted Punk]

Originally Posted by benbess

I don't really think you can just "explore" in a $190 million-dollar Star Trek movie.

That's really what a Star Trek television show would be for. It's more possible to just explore if an episode costs $3-5 million.

I think that's why ST should be on TV again. And I need to be head writer.

[mrr1]

Originally Posted by benbess

I don't really think you can just "explore" in a $190 million-dollar Star Trek movie.

I didn't say they should "just" explore. I said they should explore.

My point is that I would much have liked to have seen the crew to explore space and have to work their way out of some kind of new and thrilling crisis. This whole "revenge plot based on Earth" was a lazy idea to do a second time.

[cudzndrips]

Originally Posted by blu-mike

I haven't met one Trek fan who loved Star Trek(2009) and Into Darkness. Honestly, if Star Wars was being rebooted I wouldn't mind if it was done right.


But why do the Trek fans hate the reboot and sequel so much that they voted Into Darkness as the "Worse Star Trek movie"

I've been a Trekkie (now a Trekker lol) since TNG and have watched and loved them all. I'm also starting to be ok with watching Nemesis again. I love DS9 as much as TNG and if they eventually release DS9 on Blu-ray then i may just mess my pants. For me JJ Abrams did an amazing job bringing ST back to the mainstream after it's absence once Enterprise had ended. I actually saw the 2009 reboot SEVEN times in theatres and INTO DARKNESS I saw 4 times. With the addition of Michael G. fantastic score (which to this day I still find myself humming every now and then) and the 50th Anniversary coming in 2 years I think Star Trek fans are gonna be given something very special with the 3rd outing and I cannot wait.

[AaronJ]

Originally Posted by cudzndrips

I've been a Trekkie (now a Trekker lol) since TNG and have watched and loved them all. I'm also starting to be ok with watching Nemesis again. I love DS9 as much as TNG and if they eventually release DS9 on Blu-ray then i may just mess my pants. For me JJ Abrams did an amazing job bringing ST back to the mainstream after it's absence once Enterprise had ended. I actually saw the 2009 reboot SEVEN times in theatres and INTO DARKNESS I saw 4 times. With the addition of Michael G. fantastic score (which to this day I still find myself humming every now and then) and the 50th Anniversary coming in 2 years I think Star Trek fans are gonna be given something very special with the 3rd outing and I cannot wait.

Yeah. Yep. Yes.

[peckinpah]

This version of Trek was designed to appeal to a much larger section of the public, and certain fanatics are going to dismiss anything that expands or attempts to expand popularity beyond their own small faction. It's no longer "theirs," and that pisses them off. This may not apply to many fans, but the ones to whom it does apply do an awful lot of the whining and moaning.

[Geoff D]

Originally Posted by blu-mike

I haven't met one Trek fan who loved Star Trek(2009) and Into Darkness. Honestly, if Star Wars was being rebooted I wouldn't mind if it was done right.


But why do the Trek fans hate the reboot and sequel so much that they voted Into Darkness as the "Worse Star Trek movie"

Woah woah woah. I love the first one, I mean L-O-V-E. There's more heart and soul and emotion in that first 10 minutes alone than in the entirety of your average big budget bullshit blockbuster, I think it's terrific. There are plot holes, there are cosmic coincidences, but I can let that stuff ride because it doesn't derail the film and nor does it assume that the viewer has a mental age of six-and-a-half. The holes are there partly because of the writer's strike, and partly for the sake of expediency, like cutting out Nero's imprisonment on Rura Penthe to speed up the story.

But STID, man oh man oh man. It takes all the goodwill that ST built up and flushes it completely down the toilet from the opening reel, showing a fundamental disregard for what the Prime Directive actually is (why is Pike pissed about the natives seeing the ship, when the point is that Kirk and co. were interfering with the planet's destiny to ****ing well begin with!) which then undermines the entire premise. Every single story point is hammered home with the subtlety of a brick through a window (did we really have to see Khan pumping his magic blood right at the beginning, basically telegraphing his entire reveal? Why not just show matey being given the vial?), the narrative itself makes a spectacularly small amount of sense and relies on coincidence after coincidence, and the nods to The Wrath of Khan have been shoehorned in with no attempt to grasp what made that movie so incredibly moving in the first place. Quinto's "KHAAAAAAAAAN!" is plain embarassing, and it wasn't even Khan who instigated the whole thing in the first place! But Spock yelling "ADMIRAL MARCUSSSSSSSSS!" wouldn't have worked for the TWOK reference...

Oh, and the first movie coming up with transwarp beaming to get the plot out of a hole I can tolerate (they even explain it away in STID when Scotty says that Starfleet confiscated his equation, one of the few sensible lines in the whole film), but the creation of magic blood that reanimates the dead is the stupidity motherlode, it's one of the most singularly lazy plot developments I think I've seen in any movie EVER. And for some reason the characters have a habit of saying that they can't do something, and then they do it about five minutes later, especially Bones. First he says that they can't thaw out any of Khan's people to get at their magic blood because he doesn't know how the cryotubes work - hence the footchase to catch Khan to save Kirk - but when they need to freeze Kirk, not only do they have a cryotube ready to go but it's also empty, despite having earlier established that each one is occupied. What did they do? Stick the poor occupant in a freezerbag? And if they did thaw someone out, why then carry on chasing after Khan?

And why....oh, forget it. STID is one of the worst movies I've seen in a long, long time. It's relentlessly, wilfully, aggressively stupid, maybe even more so than the previous king of crap, Transformers 2.

I'm still buying the IMAX version though. It's pretty.

[peckinpah]

Originally Posted by Geoff D

And for some reason the characters have a habit of saying that they can't do something, and then they do it about five minutes later, especially Bones. First he says that they can't thaw out any of Khan's people to get at their magic blood because he doesn't know how the cryotubes work - hence the footchase to catch Khan to save Kirk - but when they need to freeze Kirk, not only do they have a cryotube ready to go but it's also empty, despite having earlier established that each one is occupied. What did they do? Stick the poor occupant in a freezerbag? And if they did thaw someone out, why then carry on chasing after Khan?

There's a scene where Bones orders one of Khan's crew be taken out of a 'tube and kept in an induced coma. They then stick Kirk in the 'tube.

As for needing Khan's blood, was it ever established that the rest of the crew shared the same type of enhanced/magical/whatever blood? Khan was the only one whose blood McCoy tested.

[Kaiju]

Because the new ones are all style and no substance. Well, little substance.

I like the 2009 movie, but Into Darkness went too far down the path of non-stop action.

[Geoff D]

Originally Posted by peckinpah

There's a scene where Bones orders one of Khan's crew be taken out of a 'tube and kept in an induced coma. They then stick Kirk in the 'tube.

As for needing Khan's blood, was it ever established that the rest of the crew shared the same type of enhanced/magical/whatever blood? Khan was the only one whose blood McCoy tested.

But the dude actually says 'I can't open up the tubes, this tech's too old for me, I might kill the person inside' and then five minutes later he's the mack daddy of cryotube shenanigans.

As for Khan's blood, the crew were augments, just like him. IIRC Bones says that they can't thaw anyone else out to check because he can't work the tubes, but then he takes someone out just to put Kirk in so why didn't he check their blood then? Yeah, there's no guarantee that their blood would be the same, but how did Khan even know that his blood had that sort of property anyway? Did they tell him he had blood type O-Magical down at the Federation blood bank?

God, what a shit film STID is. But there's lots of 'splosions and Spock flying into a nerd rage and pummelling someone with his fists (for the third time in two films, how original), so there's that.

[peckinpah]

Originally Posted by Geoff D

But the dude actually says 'I can't open up the tubes, this tech's too old for me, I might kill the person inside' and then five minutes later he's the mack daddy of cryotube shenanigans.

As for Khan's blood, the crew were augments, just like him. IIRC Bones says that they can't thaw anyone else out to check because he can't work the tubes, but then he takes someone out just to put Kirk in so why didn't he check their blood then? Yeah, there's no guarantee that their blood would be the same, but how did Khan even know that his blood had that sort of property anyway? Did they tell him he had blood type O-Magical down at the Federation blood bank?

God, what a shit film STID is. But there's lots of 'splosions and Spock flying into a nerd rage and pummelling someone with his fists (for the third time in two films, how original), so there's that.

New Khan knew he had O-Magical the same way Old Khan knew Chekhov.

[Geoff D]

Originally Posted by peckinpah

New Khan knew he had O-Magical the same way Old Khan knew Chekhov.

Hah! Good point.