Grade the PS3 in it's first year of existence...

[Sonny]

Originally Posted by Krayge2469

5. Also think about the price this way: yes, the original 360 was cheaper then a PS3. Fine. After you add in the HD-DVD add on (which won't do games, btw...thus 3(?) discs for blue dragon on 360), the wireless adapter, an add-on hard drive, no HDMI (fixed in the elite...which of course you had to sell your premium and buy a new elite), pay-to-play with the XBox Live....all of that adds up to be about $200-300 more then what I paid for my PS3. Not to mention the HUGE BC catalog from PS2 and PSOne.

6. I think a lot of people were just bitter that they paid as much as they did for the 360 cause it was the only "next gen" out there and then simply refused to admit that maybe, just maybe, the deal wasn't quite as sweet once you added in the additional costs. I've still got $300 less then several of my friends invested and i truly feel, have more for my money.

There's no "next Gen" in the Xbox360. And yes you definitely got more for your MONEY with the PS3!!

[ps3andlovinit]

Originally Posted by PS34EVER

Richard, it is a FACT that the sports games from EA were better on the 360. Almost all (if not all) of the games were much smoother on the 360 because they were all running at 60fps. The PS3 versions, while they maybe looked similar, played like crap compared to the 360, only playing in 30fps. It was so bad on Madden ’08, that I chose to trade it in for NHL ’08 only to get another game in 30fps that was 60fps on the 360.

EA has stated that this is now a problem of the past, and that they are now going to be developing games on the PS3 now that they have had time with the system and have saw it’s raw power. That being said, again, it is a FACT that those games were better on the 360, just to back up what Steelmaker is saying, so stop acting like he doesn’t know what he’s talking about, because he does.

Except everyone is ignoring the 2K sports games. Your also ignoring that MLB 07: The Show is an exclusive to the PS3. IMO it's also much better than the cross platform baseball titles so far.

No doubt EA is the one company that has been abysmal across the board... but they haven't really pushed the envelope in general. Madden 2004 is 2007 .

The problem I have is people only telling half stories and then painting that as if it's the full picture. It's not. We have enjoyed alot of sports games..in fact they make up a good percentage of our games...just not EA sports games...with the exception of Tiger Woods.

That he's ignoring them to focus on EA sports is simply unfair and painting a lopsided picture. Fine if has no experience with those games but he can't state that all PS3 ports are worse than the 360 when that's simply not true. The 2K serious do things the 360 can't or won't ever be able to do. And not acknowledging that just makes it him seemed biased about the PS3 ...instead of being frustrated with the biggest culprit EA.

The only thing I would fault Sony for is revoking EA's right to release the products based on their certification process. They should have made an issue about it instead of releasing them. They should have sent the message this isn't acceptable...try again.

[Gamekid]

Originally Posted by ps3andlovinit

NHL 2K games support up to 7 players if you have the controllers..we have 5.

I meant to say other then sports games, we haven't seen this feature used.
Justin

[Gamekid]

Originally Posted by Sonny

There's no "next Gen" in the Xbox360. And yes you definitely got more for your MONEY with the PS3!!

How is the xbox 360 not next gen? I'm not saying that it is because I don't have one.
Justin

[Gamekid]

Originally Posted by PS34EVER

I thought that I woud like to input my feelings towards this whole issue. I will NEVER own a 360 and I'm not going to get into why. But the only reason why I would ever even consider one, is because of the fact of how the third party developers favored the 360 at the beginning (ie EA sports).

Richard, it is a FACT that the sports games from EA were better on the 360. Almost all (if not all) of the games were much smoother on the 360 because they were all running at 60fps. The PS3 versions, while they maybe looked similar, played like crap compared to the 360, only playing in 30fps. It was so bad on Madden ’08, that I chose to trade it in for NHL ’08 only to get another game in 30fps that was 60fps on the 360.

EA has stated that this is now a problem of the past, and that they are now going to be developing games on the PS3 now that they have had time with the system and have saw it’s raw power. That being said, again, it is a FACT that those games were better on the 360, just to back up what Steelmaker is saying, so stop acting like he doesn’t know what he’s talking about, because he does.

I don't plan to get an xbox 360 either. I mean it's a great console in it's own way, but I'm not an xbox 360 fan. Not a fan of the first xbox either. I like sony because sony has more realistic games. You think of sony and you think of final fantsy, tony hawk, ridge racer, and others. You think of nintendo and you think mario, zelda, and metroid.
Justin

[ps3andlovinit]

Originally Posted by Gamekid

I meant to say other then sports games, we haven't seen this feature used.
Justin

It's great for the kids when their friends are over .. leave no child behind. When the new PS3's arrive we will have 7 controllers for it.

[tru_to_blu]

I thought you were grading the system. I give the system a A+. The PS3 is the best system out for media use. It has BLUUUU-RAAAAY. You shouldnt judge the console on its lack of software. Just my opinion.

32" VIZIO 720p/1080i
80gb PS3 / Blu-ray player
4 PS3 games / 4 Blu-ray discs soon to own more

[Steelmaker]

Originally Posted by tru_to_blu

You shouldnt judge the console on its lack of software. Just my opinion.

Uh, ok!

[MOONPHASE]

[QUOTE=Steelmaker;383986]PROS:

1.) Very solid and reliable hardware. An excellently designed machine
packed with features that really do make it "future proof."

2.) Blu Ray playback is awesome and so far the library has been great!

3.) Very good 1st year exclusive titles such as Heavenly Sword, Uncharted,
Resistance, Warhawk, Motorstorm, Fable, and Ratchet and Clank.

4.) A decent online structure (especially to be free) and I think the XMB is a
much more elegant interface than the folder slides found on the 360.

5.) A steady stream of updates that have improved the system.

6.) Very good exclusive downloadable games such as Warhawk, Everyday
Shooter, Calling all Cars, Pain, Go Puzzle, etc. (even though i wish they were free or cheaper)


CONS

1.) Poor multiplatform support. Games coming out late or coming out inferior
to versions on competing hardware (hopefully getting better).

3.) Too many game delays (almost reminds me of the N64 days).

4.) Not enough downloadable content. Need more demos, videos, etc.



i give the PS3 an A- to B+ but as soon as it even gets better i would definitely give the PS3 an A+++

[jediknight182]

Does anyone else remember the old days of the SNES vs Genesis? These systems were rated solely on their software because they are game consoles. These were the times when if you turned on a system without a game in it it did nothing. How about we take that stance with the new systems. Forget about blu-ray movies for a minute, forget all the media features and internet borwser. Just focusing on the PS3 as a game console how would you rate it? Discuss how blu-ray helps with gaming. Discuss how having wifi is bether than an ethernet port. Forget about add on HD-DVD drives for the 360 since they don't pertain to gaming. Forget about Rrod and failure rates. I wanna hear some people support their console of choice based on what matters the most.....games. Who will humor me on this? Come on guys....step up. I wanna hear why the console you chose is best for games.

I myself have all 3 consoles and they all have their strenths and weaknesses. If I were to rate them soley on the software available I would say:

First Year:
PS3 = C- (first year, I'm sorry but until the end of this year there really wasn't much worth owning except Heavenly Sword and Resistance)
Wii = D (Just Zelda, Mario Galaxy and Metroid Prime, Not enough for me. Wii Sports is not as fun as everyone makes it out to be)
360 = B- (launch titles sucked except for COD2, had a great end of year though)


P.S. I am not trying to start a flame war, I just want some open discussion.

[Zeus]

all right, let's humor you!

Purely from a gaming perspective, i agree with you that you can eliminate the movie and multimedia, connectivity, folding @ home stuff, etc that the PS3 offers out of the box.

But how can you possibly side step the hardware reliability aspect when you rate a gaming system. The ps3 is as solid and reliable as any system ever put out whereas the xbox 360 actually does a 360. MS sells it to you and you ship it back to them after a while for a replacement.

I'd say the xbox360 suffers big time in that area. Its a fundamental spec that's gone haywire. I knew 3 people who owned 360s 4 months ago, all of them now have ps3 ONLY! RROD for all 3 within a 4 month period. I wouldn't even rate something that's unacceptable

[Icemage]

Originally Posted by jediknight182

Does anyone else remember the old days of the SNES vs Genesis? These systems were rated solely on their software because they are game consoles. These were the times when if you turned on a system without a game in it it did nothing. How about we take that stance with the new systems. Forget about blu-ray movies for a minute, forget all the media features and internet borwser. Just focusing on the PS3 as a game console how would you rate it? Discuss how blu-ray helps with gaming. Discuss how having wifi is bether than an ethernet port. Forget about add on HD-DVD drives for the 360 since they don't pertain to gaming. Forget about Rrod and failure rates. I wanna hear some people support their console of choice based on what matters the most.....games. Who will humor me on this? Come on guys....step up. I wanna hear why the console you chose is best for games.

Well, back then the SNES and Genesis were almost identical in hardware spec and capability as well as price, and the only distinguishing feature between them really was the games.

The consoles of today are much more complex and capable, and they have widely divergent functions and hardware.

I myself have all 3 consoles and they all have their strenths and weaknesses. If I were to rate them soley on the software available I would say:

First Year:
PS3 = C- (first year, I'm sorry but until the end of this year there really wasn't much worth owning except Heavenly Sword and Resistance)
Wii = D (Just Zelda, Mario Galaxy and Metroid Prime, Not enough for me. Wii Sports is not as fun as everyone makes it out to be)
360 = B- (launch titles sucked except for COD2, had a great end of year though)

P.S. I am not trying to start a flame war, I just want some open discussion.

PS3: Launched Nov 17, 2006
- Ratchet and Clank falls under the first year window
- Call of Duty 4 falls under the first year window
- Eye of Judgment falls under the first year window

Just as with the Xbox 360, good games really didn't start arriving in quantity until right at the end of the first year; but if we're going to judge by that time frame, let's use the whole time frame, hm? I stand by my B rating for the first year.

I also think you're being a little hard on the Wii. My main gripes with it are lack of sufficient quantities of good games, and a complete and utter lack of useful online functionality. Mario Galaxy is brilliant, and Prime 3 is really good. There's a few other good games on the console as well, but I agree they're relatively few and far between compared to the PS3/360 lineups. It's still a decent console. C+ due to hardware pricing and reliability, but the other negatives drag the score down.

[phranctoast]

First Year:
PS3 = C- (first year, I'm sorry but until the end of this year there really wasn't much worth owning except Heavenly Sword and Resistance)
Wii = D (Just Zelda, Mario Galaxy and Metroid Prime, Not enough for me. Wii Sports is not as fun as everyone makes it out to be)
360 = B- (launch titles sucked except for COD2, had a great end of year though)


P.S. I am not trying to start a flame war, I just want some open discussion

The Ps3 first year games are a lot better than the 360's first year games. The grade you gave looks closer to the second year than the first.

Dead or alive came out around the same time frame in the 360s life that virtua fighter did for the ps3. Ovlivion came out for both at the same time as well. While Gears of War was huge, it came out at the end of the 360s first year. By that time there have been a bunch of great games out for the ps3.

The wii should have a higher grade. If anything, they dumped their heavy hitters really early in the race, and they will never have a year as good again. Think about it. Mario paint, mario galaxy, zelda, and metroid all in one year. wht do they have left? mario cart and super smash brothers as far as established franchises.

[jediknight182]

Originally Posted by Zeus

But how can you possibly side step the hardware reliability aspect when you rate a gaming system. The ps3 is as solid and reliable as any system ever put out whereas the xbox 360 actually does a 360. MS sells it to you and you ship it back to them after a while for a replacement.

I'd say the xbox360 suffers big time in that area. Its a fundamental spec that's gone haywire. I knew 3 people who owned 360s 4 months ago, all of them now have ps3 ONLY! RROD for all 3 within a 4 month period. I wouldn't even rate something that's unacceptable

I'm not sidestepping it. Trust me I know it's a problem, I am on my 3rd 360.
My main point was to rate it as a game console with an emphasis on software (games).
BTW, As much as I love Sony I have had my hardware issues with them in the past as well. Anyone who had a 1st gen PSX has had laser skipping problems that Sony at first refused to fix or even admit that there was a problem. Remember having to turn your system on it's side to get the laser to read properly? I went through 4 PSXs. When I got my PS2 on launch it swallowed my game and never worked again. I had to return it and have the store get me a new copy of the game and then wait 4 months for a new unit due to shortages.

[jediknight182]

Originally Posted by Icemage

I also think you're being a little hard on the Wii. My main gripes with it are lack of sufficient quantities of good games, and a complete and utter lack of useful online functionality. Mario Galaxy is brilliant, and Prime 3 is really good. There's a few other good games on the console as well, but I agree they're relatively few and far between compared to the PS3/360 lineups. It's still a decent console. C+ due to hardware pricing and reliability, but the other negatives drag the score down.

That's my point, software. You said yourself, "lack of sufficient quantities of good games." I love the Nintendo published titles but where is the 3rd party love?

[Terjyn]

Originally Posted by jediknight182

360 = B- (launch titles sucked except for COD2, had a great end of year though)

I'm dying to know what the great end of year was for 360. Gears of War and...?

[jediknight182]

Originally Posted by Terjyn

I'm dying to know what the great end of year was for 360. Gears of War and...?

Rainbow Six, Splinter Cell, COD3, TRL.

I'm not saying that the PS3 didn't have a great end of year, it did. It just took a little longer for the triple A titles to come out.

Trust me I am so looking foward to the first half of 08. The PS3 has so many great titles coming the first half of next year where the 360 has almost nothing that interests me.

Again, I didn't post this for people to get defensive. I just want an open discussion. I am not going to disagree with anyone who says why they chose whichever system they chose. I am just curious why they chose what they chose.

My opinions should affect anyone and hopefully not anger anyone. I am not trying to force my opinions on anyone. Remember, ratings are subjective. What I like in gaming may not be everyone's cup of tea. I just happen to love shooters so I may lean abit more towards the 360 for my gaming but it doesn't mean I don't give credit where credit is due. I am a fan of gaming and owe no allegiance to any hardware manufacturer.

[Smallville206]

Hardware wise I give it a A, software wise I give it a B-. I've had my PS3 since March yet still only own 5 games for it, Ratchet and Clank being the latest. I also own a 360 and when a game comes out on cross platforms I buy for whatever system it grades higher, even if the scores are nearly identical.
I fully expect the PS3 to start to close the gap on a consistent basis with the 360, but still doubt it will overtake it the coming year unless developers stop being lazy and really start tapping into the power of the PS3 at which point I think game wise it will blow the 360 out of the water.

[Turomania]

Hello everyone! first post. this is a great forum! thanks for all the great info.

Question for all PS3 user for movie playing.

Does the PS3 appear to play blue ray movies in low volume? how could i adjust this? I know I should have look around and seach it, but i could not find a thread. i have my PS3 hooked up to my reciever. My comcast cable does sound amazing. but when i swith to DVD-PS3, it just goes to a low volume.

thanks in advance.
Turo

[Shin-Ra]

Originally Posted by Turomania

Hello everyone! first post. this is a great forum! thanks for all the great info.

Question for all PS3 user for movie playing.

Does the PS3 appear to play blue ray movies in low volume? how could i adjust this? I know I should have look around and seach it, but i could not find a thread. i have my PS3 hooked up to my reciever. My comcast cable does sound amazing. but when i swith to DVD-PS3, it just goes to a low volume.

thanks in advance.
Turo

While the Blu-ray or DVD movie is playing press the TRIANGLE button, select the speaker icon on the third row, fourth from right (Volume Control) and use either +1 or +2.