Nosferatu (2024)

[Killer Meteor]

Originally Posted by MisterKorman

Wouldn't any adaptation of Dracula basically be a remake of Nosferatu? .

Depends. I suppose to make it Nosferatu, you'd need a bald vampire called Orlock, but then Herzog's version even retains the character names of the novel - though like the same year's Badham version, he swaps Mina and Lucy's names - and Kinski's vampire in Nosferatu in Venice isn't bald.

Also, Nosferatu was renamed Dracula for its US release in 1929 (pissing off Mrs Stoker and Universal at the same time), and the English language version avaliable from the 1940s onwards (which is on many public domain videos and DVDs) calls the characters by their novel names (Mina being misnamed Nina this time around).

And here's the kicker: Stoker uses the word "Nosferatu" in his novel, and he got it from a guide-book on Transylvania...but Nosferatu is not a real word in Romanian or any other language that we know of.

[MifuneFan]

Originally Posted by MisterKorman

Wouldn't any adaptation of Dracula basically be a remake of Nosferatu? Hardly worth clutching any pearls over, IMO. If it's not good, it can easily be ignored (like virtually every remake anyone's ever been angered about existing).

Nosferatu and Dracula are pretty different.

[GRD43L]

Originally Posted by Killer Meteor

And, legally speaking, Tod Browning, Terrence Fisher, Dan Curtis, John Badham, Francis Ford Coppola...

Don't forget E. Elias Merhige's Shadow of the Vampire (at least the story is original). Willem Dafoe kills it...

"I will eat her later..."


Back to the topic: I'd love to see Egger's Nosferatu; he'll do it justice.

[Killer Meteor]

Originally Posted by MifuneFan

Nosferatu and Dracula are pretty different.

Not really. Nosferatu is, names aside, closer to the novel than Hammer's version.

[Lee A Stewart]

Nosferatu: A Symphony of Horror (German: Nosferatu, eine Symphonie des Grauens) is a 1922 silent German Expressionist horror film directed by F. W. Murnau and starring Max Schreck as Count Orlok, a vampire with an interest in both a new residence and the wife (Greta Schröder) of his estate agent (Gustav von Wangenheim).

The film was produced by Prana Film and is an unauthorized and unofficial adaptation of Bram Stoker's 1897 novel Dracula. Various names and other details were changed from the novel, including Count Dracula being renamed Count Orlok. It is believed by some that these changes were implemented in an attempt to avoid accusations of copyright infringement. However, this seems unlikely as the original German intertitles explicitly state that the film is based on the Bram Stoker novel. Film historian David Karat states in his commentary track for the film that "No source has ever documented" this claim and that since the film was "a low-budget film made by Germans for German audiences... setting it in Germany with German named characters makes the story more tangible and immediate for German speaking viewers".

Even with several details altered, Stoker's heirs sued over the adaptation, and a court ruling ordered all copies of the film to be destroyed. However, a few prints of Nosferatu survived, and the film came to be regarded as an influential masterpiece of cinema.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nosferatu

[MifuneFan]

Originally Posted by Killer Meteor

Not really. Nosferatu is, names aside, closer to the novel than Hammer's version.

It doesn't matter if it's closer, the novel is way more fleshed out, and carries a different tone than the film. I actually just finished reading the novel recently so it's all still pretty fresh in my mind. I'd say both start out fairly similar, namely Harker's approach to and time in the Dracula's home, but the novel is much more expansive with its storyline and characters. The film doesn't even bring in Van Helsing, which is a huge and important part of the book.

[CyberpunkCentral]

[Killer Meteor]

Originally Posted by MifuneFan

It doesn't matter if it's closer, the novel is way more fleshed out, and carries a different tone than the film. I actually just finished reading the novel recently so it's all still pretty fresh in my mind. I'd say both start out fairly similar, namely Harker's approach to and time in the Dracula's home, but the novel is much more expansive with its storyline and characters. The film doesn't even bring in Van Helsing, which is a huge and important part of the book.

Van Helsing is in Nosferatu, as "Bulwer", but he's very underused.

[EvaDK]

Originally Posted by Killer Meteor

Van Helsing is in Nosferatu, as "Bulwer", but he's very underused.

I think they actually used the name of Van Helsing in Herzog's film/remake, which I reckon they could only do, because it was an 80ish years old novel by the 1970s and perhaps was in public domain by then?

Or, alternatively - Werner Herzog was a madman in the 70s and did whatever he wanted.

[Killer Meteor]

Originally Posted by EvaDK

I think they actually used the name of Van Helsing in Herzog's film/remake, which I reckon they could only do, because it was an 80ish years old novel by the 1970s and perhaps was in public domain by then?

Or, alternatively - Werner Herzog was a madman in the 70s and did whatever he wanted.

Yes, the 1979 film uses the novel names. I think the novel was public domain by the early 60s, but it belatedly turned out it was never copyrighted in the States. This is why the late 50s saw films like Blood of Dracula and Return of Dracula, which don't actually mention the count by name, and were given non-Dracula titles in the UK.

Murnau and co would probably have gotten away with changing the names in 1922 if they hadn't put in the advertising and credits that the film was "freely adapted" from Stoker's novel!

[MisterKorman]

Call me a contrarian, but I still think Nosferatu is no more different from the novel than most adaptations of Dracula.

[Krynoid-Man]

Considering both the original and the Herzog remake are classics, this will have a lot to live up to but I'll give it a chance. Hopefully this will lead somebody to put out a BD of Shadow of the Vampire.

[tangerinewolf]

Originally Posted by Krynoid-Man

Considering both the original and the Herzog remake are classics, this will have a lot to live up to but I'll give it a chance. Hopefully this will lead somebody to put out a BD of Shadow of the Vampire.

Definitely! Shadow of the Vampire is long overdue!

[Underworld54]

No hyena passed off as a wolf please...thanks!

[tangerinewolf]

Originally Posted by Underworld54

No hyena passed off as a wolf please...thanks!

[Cremildo]

This has been registered to film in the Czech Republic.

[dkelly26666]

Being that Eggers has now worked with Dafoe a couple of times, does anyone else think it would be great if Dafoe were to play the Count (again, as he sorta did in "Shadow of the Vampire"?)? I'd personally love to see Dafoe as that vampire, again.

[Elgie]

Originally Posted by dkelly26666

does anyone else think it would be great if Dafoe were to play the Count (again, as he sorta did in "Shadow of the Vampire"?)?

I think if Dafoe joined the cast it would be more fun to cast him as Knock / Renfield this time around.

[Elgie]

So Harry Styles was briefly attached to star but has since dropped out

https://variety.com/2022/film/news/h...oy-1235217419/

[andantelise]

Good.

If this sucks, I swear to God.