Issues and Settings on Dolby Vision Discs

[PeterTHX]

Originally Posted by HeatEquation

The emergence of a format that is at least equal in quality, without any royalty fees, and that has gained a ton of traction during a period in which DV has experienced, and continues to experience, serious issues. It's also reportedly very easy to implement.

You mean the post after post "no issues"?

The only serious issue around here is your constant trolling.
The ONLY person here without a Dolby Vision capable TV.

Go start a HDR10+ thread - a format with no titles and a grand total of two TV set makers (with no compatible sets in the market yet) and somehow has "a ton of traction"- and 10 bit is inferior quality to 12 bit. Basic math.

[philochs]

Originally Posted by Jason 831

Rumors that Apple TV might support Dolby Vision. I guess DV might not be so bad after all

https://twitter.com/stroughtonsmith/...-11-gm-leak%2F

It's beyond rumor. "Apple TV 4K" will support both HDR10 and Dolby Vision. Big news sure, but streaming Dolby Vision is a whole other subject. Itunes w/ DV certainly will help with the Dolby Vision HDR brand though.

[Jason 831]

Just announced at the Apple Event that they will support "HDR10 and Dolby Vision the best HDR experience" so much for Dolby Vision dying off

[Jason 831]

Originally Posted by philochs

It's beyond rumor. "Apple TV 4K" will support both HDR10 and Dolby Vision. Big news sure, but streaming Dolby Vision is a whole other subject. Itunes w/ DV certainly will help with the Dolby Vision HDR brand though.

True streaming is different but I think Apple will definitely help introduce people to Dolby Vision

[philochs]

Originally Posted by PeterTHX

You mean the post after post "no issues"?

The only serious issue around here is your constant trolling.
The ONLY person here without a Dolby Vision capable TV.

Go start a HDR10+ thread - a format with no titles and a grand total of two TV set makers (with no compatible sets in the market yet) and somehow has "a ton of traction"- and 10 bit is inferior quality to 12 bit. Basic math.

We really don't need an HDR10+ thread yet, no titles. Also, I did make this thread partly about arguing about the merits of Dolby Vision. That way people can get it out of their systems here, instead of clogging up the list of Dolby Vision discs thread. I'm enjoying this argument with a nice plate of salted french fries. I have no popcorn, I'm on vacation in Portugal.

[HeatEquation]

Originally Posted by philochs

Misconception? The major benefit of HDMI 2.1 is that it works with dynamic metadata. Where is your source for your claim that HDR10+ works with current HDMI 2.0? Why don't any players and discs support HDR10+ then? What are they waiting for? Lol.

One important detail that we learned is that HDR10+ can be supported over HDMI 2.0b. HDMI 2.1 is not a requirement, said Paul Williams. This opens the door to firmware updates for existing products.

http://www.flatpanelshd.com/news.php...&id=1504871066

Vincent Teoh‏
@Vincent_Teoh
Replying to @ComedyFanatic0
That's a misconception. HDMI 2.1 is not necessary for dynamic metadata such as HDR10+ and Dolby Vision.

https://twitter.com/Vincent_Teoh/sta...10439965057025

There was also a 2017 Panasonic with HDMI 2.0b at IFA displaying HDR10+ over HDMI.

What am I waiting for? The format was only officially announced a few months ago. Whereas DV was announced several years ago, and to this very day it only has about 10 or so discs (already released + announced.) "Death" may have been the wrong word to use, since DV on disc isn't even alive. 10 discs after all these years is embarrassing and hardly even counts.

[HeatEquation]

Originally Posted by PeterTHX

You mean the post after post "no issues"?

The only serious issue around here is your constant trolling.
The ONLY person here without a Dolby Vision capable TV.

Go start a HDR10+ thread - a format with no titles and a grand total of two TV set makers (with no compatible sets in the market yet) and somehow has "a ton of traction"- and 10 bit is inferior quality to 12 bit. Basic math.

Not so fast there. We're in the same boat, champ. Neither you nor I have a DV TV at the moment.

(12 bit on 10 bit display doesn't matter at all in practice, as has been proven many times. But you already knew this.)

[philochs]

Originally Posted by HeatEquation

http://www.flatpanelshd.com/news.php...&id=1504871066



https://twitter.com/Vincent_Teoh/sta...10439965057025

There was also a 2017 Panasonic with HDMI 2.0b at IFA displaying HDR10+ over HDMI.

What am I waiting for? The format was only officially announced a few months ago. Whereas DV was announced several years ago, and to this very day it only has about 10 or so discs (already released + announced.) "Death" may have been the wrong word to use, since DV on disc isn't even alive. 10 discs after all these years is embarrassing and hardly even counts.

"Death" is the wrong word to use, as has been pointed out, DV is brand new on discs and it's not dying out, it's going to flourish. In fact, Sony is readying their Dolby Vision fw update as we speak. "Misconception" is also the wrong word to use. It was first reported that HDR10+ will use HDMI 2.1, so basing your opinions on reported information is by definition not misconception.

[Doctorossi]

Originally Posted by HeatEquation

10 discs after all these years is embarrassing and hardly even counts.

UHD discs have been on the market for one year.

[RockyIII]

Originally Posted by grodd

Has anyone ever seen grey bars on non disc Dolby Vision? Like VUDU or Netflix? If so what movies and scene?

Yes:
Creed
Lucy
Ghost in the Shell
All on VuDu


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[HeatEquation]

Originally Posted by Doctorossi

UHD discs have been on the market for one year.

It's been well over a year now.

[TheSweetieMan]

HDR10 does have issues.

No standard for tone-mapping.

No standard for gamut-mapping.

Meaning, each company that manufacture these panels have to come up with their own special formula for tone and gamut mapping, which will eventually lead to every brand having to sell it as "the best one for this fomat!"--whereas you don't have that issue with Dolby Vision.

Going forward, even HDR10+ still won't match DV when we eventually see 12-bit panels, which is coming sooner than later.

Every DV title is mastered at 4,000-nits; meaning it's also more future proof than HDR10, or HDR10+

Not to mention that Samsung, Panasonic, nor Fox, have confirmed whether or not this format will be pushed on physical media--or be primarily focused on streaming content. Until there's an actual approval of HDR10+ hitting physical discs, you may want to pump the brakes on the whole "this format is equal or better", when you have nothing to support this theory.

What is fact--and isn't theory--is that Dolby has been doing this HDR thing longer than anybody else. They also don't rest on their laurels. Samsung is going to find out the hard way that this isn't Apple they're competing with. This isn't the smart phone industry.

Virtually every filmmaker, colorist, or cinematographer, that has gone through the process of grading in Dolby Vision, always ends up stating that that is their preferred method of viewing the film.

And why wouldn't they want it that way? Especially at home. Where not every panel can hit north of 1,000-nits, so at least with Dolby's dynamic metadata, they're still getting the most detailed picture on panels that come up short of hitting 1,000-nits.

Dolby Vision support:

Disney
Lionsgate
Warner Bros
Paramount
Focus
Sony
Universal
Apple
Vudu
Roku
Amazon
OPPO
Netflix

HDR10+ support:

Samsung
Amazon
Fox
Panasonic

and one of those companies no longer has a market in the US.

You can continue to try and push this phony agenda of yours, but the fact of the matter is, month by month, Dolby Vision continues to pick up more and more steam.

Also, remember that time you could view a film in theatres in HDR10? I didn't think so. Because Dolby specializes in that format.

Oh wait, but Samsung is bringing those super bright LED panels to the theatre chains...

which literally NO ****ING FILMMAKER WANTS. Jordan Vogt-Roberts roasted Samsung on Twitter for that proposal.

Samsung is cheap. They're not innovative. They take the easiest route to produce their products.

[Doctorossi]

Originally Posted by HeatEquation

It's been well over a year now.

Fine, charitably call it a year and a half. A year and a half is not "all these years".

Tell me, how many dozens of HDR-10+ discs are on the market after all these years?

[HeatEquation]

Originally Posted by philochs

"Death" is the wrong word to use, as has been pointed out, DV is brand new on discs and it's not dying out, it's going to flourish. In fact, Sony is readying their Dolby Vision fw update as we speak. "Misconception" is also the wrong word to use. It was first reported that HDR10+ will use HDMI 2.1, so basing your opinions on reported information is by definition not misconception.

You think studios will continue paying royalty fees even though they have an equal alternative (without the issues) that is more cost effective and easier to implement? Maybe in some fantasy land, but not in reality.

There's really no reason for anyone to be upset about this. Soon, all of your TVs will likely support HDR10+, as it becomes the standard for all manufacturers and all studios. No need to turn this into a war, as it really isn't one, nor will it ever be.

[philochs]

Originally Posted by HeatEquation

You think studios will continue paying royalty fees even though they have an equal alternative (without the issues) that is more cost effective and easier to implement? Maybe in some fantasy land, but not in reality.

There's really no reason for anyone to be upset about this. Soon, all of your TVs will likely support HDR10+, as it becomes the standard for all manufacturers and all studios. No need to turn this into a war, as it really isn't one, nor will it ever be.

Boy is your face gonna be red a couple years from now. You'll live to eat your words.

[TheSweetieMan]

Originally Posted by philochs

Boy is your face gonna be red a couple years from now. You'll live to eat your words.

"Studios won't pay royalty fees"

*watches as every literally Hollywood studios continue to do Dolby Vision grades for their theatrical releases*

*watches as month by month, another major studio or company commits to Dolby Vision, such as Apple did today*

This guy sure isn't the brightest bulb in the chandelier, is he?

[Doctorossi]

Originally Posted by HeatEquation

DV was officially announced years ago. Surely you comprehend how silly your question is.

No, I don't. The delivery medium has been available for a year and a half- that is the measure. In that time-frame, DV has a growing number of discs on the market and HDR-10+ has none.

HDR-10+ is great and it will surely have some discs on the market soon, but if your position is that Dolby Vision is dying or stillborn and your evidence is its number of discs in current release, citing HDR-10+ as an alternative exemplar does not support your argument.

[HeatEquation]

Originally Posted by Doctorossi

No, I don't. The delivery medium has been available for a year and a half- that is the measure. In that time-frame, DV has a growing number of discs on the market and HDR-10+ has none.

HDR-10+ is great and it will surely have some discs on the market soon, but if your position is that Dolby Vision is dying or stillborn and your evidence is its number of discs in current release, citing HDR-10+ as an alternative exemplar does not support your argument.

I think you missed the entire point. The very obvious point being that DV has had an enormous head start, and the number of discs is growing at an embarrassing and alarmingly low rate.

We'll very likely see more total HDR10+ discs from Fox alone, than the total number of DV discs from every other studio combined. Then add in the discs from other studios who will likely support HDR10+.

[Doctorossi]

Originally Posted by HeatEquation

I think you missed the entire point. The very obvious point being that DV has had an enormous head start, and the number of discs is growing at an embarrassing and alarmingly low rate.

Again, .

The format is just getting started and they've had a hiccup (encoder issue)- it happens. You may recall Blu-ray had a pretty slow start with a couple of stumbles as well. How's that HD-DVD doing?

[StingingVelvet]

Humans just love tribal arguments.