The Lion King 4K UHD (1994)

[Chiptuner]

So since this and Wreck it Ralph was already leaked months ago, when will we see The Little Mermaid announcement?

[Ernest Rister]

Originally Posted by davlee1991

Never understood those who want grain on their animated titles. Yes, some of these were shot on film, but I feel like it’s something that’s unavoidable in the filmmaking process.

Me personally? I’d like these presented as if we were looking directly at the original artwork pre-filmic artifacts. But, that’s an unpopular opinion around here.

The best example I can give you for that is the production of Bambi...film grain gave life and atmosphere to those evocative, poetic backgrounds. The grain was the air of the film, there was motion, the air *moved*. The Walt crew in 1942 knew about film grain, and the current version of Bambi is perhaps the best example of how removing grain can artistically impact a film, especially vintage animation. Would Walt have loved the chance to go back and fix production artifacts like cell dust, or fix inking mistakes, registration errors, contrast flickers? I can't answer that definitely, other than anecdotal evidence stating these all bugged and disappointed him, so sure, I guess he would. Not at all sure he'd be down with removing grain.

[Nightman04]

Really hope for steelbook releases of their animated films. I cant STAND those stupid round edges on the slipcovers. If they'd only switch back to the regular ones...

[Ernest Rister]

One last thing and then off to bed...here's a question.

Should Toy Story have film grain? Those digital files in original release were written to film, too. Toy Story's original theatrical presentation was a film print, not a digital file projected via a digital projector...yet I never hear anyone asking for a home video release derived from a scan of Toy Story's *film* negative. Quite the opposite, in fact.

[starkrogersthor91]

Originally Posted by Ernest Rister

One last thing and then off to bed...here's a question.

Should Toy Story have film grain? Those digital files in original release were written to film, too. Toy Story's original theatrical presentation was a film print, not a digital file projected via a digital projector...yet I never hear anyone asking for a home video release derived from a scan of Toy Story's *film* negative. Quite the opposite, in fact.

I don’t think any animation should have grain. I want to see an image straight from the artistic source, not an image featuring unavoidable anomalies of the filmmaking / mastering process.

We’ve had this discussion before, and I know you agree different, and that’s perfectly fine. Some want a master that looks like “a film” some want one that looks like “an artwork”. There’s merits in both.

[Ernest Rister]

Originally Posted by davlee1991

There’s merits in both.

I think I'd walk the edge that says rather than a blanket approach to all animation, the answer is choosing what's appropriate for the individual title. I don't want next January's The Plague Dogs without film grain (man, I cannot wait for that disc). I don't want Bambi without film grain. Grain isn't noise in those films. It's atmosphere. They *knew* the audience would see the film grain. In some cases, it was an advantage.

And NOW off to bed...

[Vashetti]

Originally Posted by Leviathan

So, we're looking down at the business end of an upscale.


I have to question what is the point, if the UHD is not going to yield any quality improvements.

Educate yourself:

https://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread.php?t=300896

[Dailyan]

Originally Posted by Ernest Rister

One last thing and then off to bed...here's a question.

Should Toy Story have film grain? Those digital files in original release were written to film, too. Toy Story's original theatrical presentation was a film print, not a digital file projected via a digital projector...yet I never hear anyone asking for a home video release derived from a scan of Toy Story's *film* negative. Quite the opposite, in fact.

I'd love to see an HD "filmic" presentation of a "Toy Story". To me, "organic" film qualities like grain make CGI, especially older CGI, feel less dated and more "alive". I still enjoy the Blu of TS but after looking at trailers and an old viewmaster (Taken from a film source) a filmic presentation as an extra would be most welcomed to myself.

[StingingVelvet]

Originally Posted by Leviathan

So, we're looking down at the business end of an upscale.


I have to question what is the point, if the UHD is not going to yield any quality improvements.

God, when will this B.S. die.

[Dailyan]

Originally Posted by StingingVelvet

God, when will this B.S. die.

Wear's mah troo fourah kay, I don't want this too kay noisze.

[Leviathan]

Originally Posted by Vashetti

Educate yourself:

https://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread.php?t=300896

So cases where modern movies were shot or had their CGI work in 2K have a bearing on catalog titles that where that is absolutely not the case... how?

[Hardback247]

I hope there is SOME chance of the original Walt Disney Pictures logo being in this version.

[Deciazulado]

Originally Posted by Leviathan

So, we're looking down at the business end of an upscale.


I have to question what is the point, if the UHD is not going to yield any quality improvements.

Originally Posted by Deciazulado

I think the CAPS were about around 1280 x 2048 (the 4:3 video editions had a sliver more height that the widescreen 1.66 video and theatrical 1.85) and were high bits (16bits) files so there should be some color improvement retaining the full chroma and depth.

And the higher bit rate / less compression of UHD codec

[Hardback247]

As I understand it, it two years into the Blu-Ray format for Disney to start releasing Animated Canon catalog titles in HD, starting with Sleeping Beauty. I hope the 4K releases of Wreck-It Ralph and The Lion King mean a string of many more of these to come in 2019 and beyond.

[pottyaboutpotter1]

Originally Posted by Hardback247

As I understand it, it two years into the Blu-Ray format for Disney to start releasing Animated Canon catalog titles in HD, starting with Sleeping Beauty. I hope the 4K releases of Wreck-It Ralph and The Lion King mean a string of many more of these to come in 2019 and beyond.

Hoping for Beauty and the Beast

[Ruined]

Originally Posted by davlee1991

I don’t think any animation should have grain. I want to see an image straight from the artistic source, not an image featuring unavoidable anomalies of the filmmaking / mastering process.

We’ve had this discussion before, and I know you agree different, and that’s perfectly fine. Some want a master that looks like “a film” some want one that looks like “an artwork”. There’s merits in both.

And then theres the sword in the stone blu ray, whatever the hell happened to that?! Doesnt look like film or artwork.

[Platitude]

Ugh, wasn't that long ago that I bought the Signature Collection edition.

[Dubstar]

Originally Posted by pottyaboutpotter1

Hoping for Beauty and the Beast

Me too ! The ballroom dance scene would look spectacular!

[RalphoR]

Originally Posted by StingingVelvet

God, when will this B.S. die.

Never

Originally Posted by Platitude

Ugh, wasn't that long ago that I bought the Signature Collection edition.

It's the circle....the circle jerk of life.

[Hardback247]

Since I'm not so sure about upgrading this movie to 4K, can any of you see any tiny "imperfections" about the Blu-Ray transfer that could be fixed in 4K?