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LexInHD · 05-27-2023, 08:27 PM

Indeed, Voyager's biggest flaw was it's characters, their conceptions, and ongoing development with poor writing and plot ideas. Much of this was due to executive/network meddling. Had the show cooked a bit longer in the developmental phases and not been pushed out quickly, to launch UPN, it could have been much better in the earlier seasons, which would have led to even better episodes on the back-half.

John1701D · 05-27-2023, 11:36 PM

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To this day, I don't get why people condemn Voyager. It was pretty ambitious for its time, placing a ship 70,000 light-years from home and having the characters grow on one another to form a surrogate kind of family, which they would need to survive.

Because they didn't have the courage to really make a show about being stuck 75,000 light years from home. It was a big miss, and that's not even considering the Maquis almost immediately put on Starfleet uniforms.

And I'll never forgive Janeway for Tuvix. That's the nail in the coffin for her.

D00mM4r1n3 · 05-27-2023, 11:47 PM

If you don't want to pay for anything but want to check out some series Pluto has TOS, TNG, and Voyager.

Moviefan2k4 · 05-28-2023, 12:34 AM

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Originally Posted by John1701D

Because they didn't have the courage to really make a show about being stuck 75,000 light years from home. It was a big miss, and that's not even considering the Maquis almost immediately put on Starfleet uniforms.

The Maquis were wannabe terrorists trying to seek attention, but for what is anybody's guess. TNG touched on them a little bit, and so did DS9, but the nature of the Maquis group and its specific purpose was never nailed down.

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And I'll never forgive Janeway for Tuvix. That's the nail in the coffin for her.

That was definitely a controversial episode, and remains so even today. The notion of sacrificing one life that should never have been made in the first place, versus recognizing that life and losing two friends in the process...its the kind of debate that Trek has encouraged for decades.

Josep5349 · 05-28-2023, 08:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Moviefan2k4

The Maquis were wannabe terrorists trying to seek attention, but for what is anybody's guess. TNG touched on them a little bit, and so did DS9, but the nature of the Maquis group and its specific purpose was never nailed down.

Absolute nonsense. You really should have paid attention.

Batmon77 · 05-30-2023, 08:45 PM

I tried to watch Enterprise when it debuted and couldn't get into it.

I guess I wasnt interested in a prequel but my old Star Trek buddy says that Enterprise is underrated.

Moviefan2k4 · 05-30-2023, 11:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Batmon77

I tried to watch Enterprise when it debuted and couldn't get into it.

I guess I wasnt interested in a prequel but my old Star Trek buddy says that Enterprise is underrated.

I couldn't get into Enterprise, either...mainly because it looked too advanced for a prequel series. Everything was all shiny and new, and it appeared more fit for a TNG era than anything before the original series.

CouncilSpectre · 05-31-2023, 12:12 AM

On first viewing I thought ENT was "Meh".

On second viewing, many many years later, I quite enjoyed it. Perhaps going in with low expectations helped the second time around but it was far better than I remembered. The first few seasons are hit and (mostly) miss, but years three and four were very good.

Doc Samson · 05-31-2023, 04:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Batmon77

I tried to watch Enterprise when it debuted and couldn't get into it.

I guess I wasnt interested in a prequel but my old Star Trek buddy says that Enterprise is underrated.

Enterprise is vastly underrated.

JamesKurtovich · 05-31-2023, 05:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Batmon77

I tried to watch Enterprise when it debuted and couldn't get into it.

I guess I wasnt interested in a prequel but my old Star Trek buddy says that Enterprise is underrated.

Enterprise S3 does the Voyager shtick better than Voyager did. The ship is beat to hell and they're surrounded by the unknown. I really enjoyed it.

LexInHD · 05-31-2023, 10:40 AM

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Originally Posted by D00mM4r1n3

If you don't want to pay for anything but want to check out some series Pluto has TOS, TNG, and Voyager.

The Paramount Plus YouTube channel also has free episodes. They just put up the entire first season of Strange New Worlds, so people could watch it for free, before the second season hits.

Dunemoon · 05-31-2023, 09:47 PM

Apart from TOS? I always found TNG, DS9 and Voyager to be a bit stuffy with stiff performances. Discovery is not worth watching or the cartoons. Strange New Worlds is still modern Trek that cannot escape its spin-off status from Discovery. It’s ok but poor acting kinda ruins it. That leaves Enterprise which probably works best if you missed the late 80s/90s Trek.

Batmon77 · 05-31-2023, 11:14 PM

I've always had a soft spot for Captain Pike.

I need to check out Strange New Worlds.........im just scared when folks try to "capture" old shit.

John1701D · 06-01-2023, 12:20 AM

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I've always had a soft spot for Captain Pike.

I need to check out Strange New Worlds.........im just scared when folks try to "capture" old shit.

Do yourself a favor and trust us on this one. 47 to 2 and one of those hates almost everything.

Blu Lemmy · 06-01-2023, 03:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Batmon77

I've always had a soft spot for Captain Pike.

I need to check out Strange New Worlds.........im just scared when folks try to "capture" old shit.

It's great. Check it out

Dunemoon · 06-01-2023, 07:07 PM

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I've always had a soft spot for Captain Pike.

I need to check out Strange New Worlds.........im just scared when folks try to "capture" old shit.

SNW tries but ultimately it’s a modern pastiche version that cannot capture the original magic. Regrettably forgettable.

mwynn · 06-06-2023, 01:29 PM

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Originally Posted by John1701D

Because they didn't have the courage to really make a show about being stuck 75,000 light years from home. It was a big miss, and that's not even considering the Maquis almost immediately put on Starfleet uniforms.

And I'll never forgive Janeway for Tuvix. That's the nail in the coffin for her.

Remember the group of Maquis who started a mini rebellion. They were put down and told they would have limited access to the ship? Nothing was ever followed up on that story.

"The Maquis, Part I and Part II"[7][5] (DS9, Airdate - April 24, 1994, and May 1, 1994)
"Preemptive Strike" (TNG, Airdate - May 16, 1994)
"Tribunal" (DS9, Airdate - June 5, 1994)
"Defiant" (DS9, Airdate - November 21, 1994)
"Caretaker" (VOY, Airdate - January 16, 1995)
"Learning Curve" (VOY, Airdate - May 22, 1995)
"Dreadnought" (VOY, Airdate - February 12, 1996)
"For the Cause" (DS9, Airdate - May 6, 1996)
"For the Uniform (DS9, Airdate - February 3, 1997)
"Blaze of Glory" (DS9, Airdate - May 12, 1997) The final Maquis conflict in the Alpha Quadrant.
"Worst Case Scenario" (VOY, Airdate - May 14, 1997)
"Repression" (VOY, Airdate - October 25, 2000)

LexInHD · 06-06-2023, 07:54 PM

There was a single early episode where the Maquis crew on Voyager that hadn't already agreed to the amnesty offer were told to shape up and behave by joining the ranks of the crew or be thrown out the airlock. Beyond that, it was never addressed again and they didn't really have the opportunity or time to do that, though we know that they were planning to overthrow the Starfleet crew early on, via Seska's pre-Kazon alliance machinations.

JamesKurtovich · 06-08-2023, 03:04 PM

I couldn't stand any story involving the Maquis. Loved it when the Dominion wrote them out of the series for good. Lol

mwynn · 06-08-2023, 03:17 PM

https://www.startrek.com/news/star-t...o-day-of-blood

First-Ever Star Trek Comic Crossover Event to Debut with Star Trek: Prelude to Day of Blood
The introductory precursor issue merges IDW’s ongoing flagship series with Star Trek: Defiant in a harrowing five-issue journey.

05-27-2023, 08:27 PM	#61
LexInHD Blu-ray Samurai Member since:Oct 2010 Blu-ray collection:226	Indeed, Voyager's biggest flaw was it's characters, their conceptions, and ongoing development with poor writing and plot ideas. Much of this was due to executive/network meddling. Had the show cooked a bit longer in the developmental phases and not been pushed out quickly, to launch UPN, it could have been much better in the earlier seasons, which would have led to even better episodes on the back-half.

05-27-2023, 11:47 PM	#63
D00mM4r1n3 Blu-ray Guru Top contributor Member since:Jan 2012 4K collection:405 Blu-ray collection:2556 DVD collection:282 Trading Score:12	If you don't want to pay for anything but want to check out some series Pluto has TOS, TNG, and Voyager.

05-30-2023, 08:45 PM	#66
Batmon77 Blu-ray Baron Member since:Oct 2011 Location:New York City 4K collection:13 Blu-ray collection:428 DVD collection:1	I tried to watch Enterprise when it debuted and couldn't get into it. I guess I wasnt interested in a prequel but my old Star Trek buddy says that Enterprise is underrated.

05-31-2023, 12:12 AM	#68
CouncilSpectre Blu-ray Prince Top contributor Member since:Apr 2013 Location:United Kingdom 4K collection:900 Blu-ray collection:7092 DVD collection:881 iTunes collection:13 Prime collection:107 Blu-ray reviews: 11 Trading Score:24	On first viewing I thought ENT was "Meh". On second viewing, many many years later, I quite enjoyed it. Perhaps going in with low expectations helped the second time around but it was far better than I remembered. The first few seasons are hit and (mostly) miss, but years three and four were very good.

05-31-2023, 09:47 PM	#72
Dunemoon Banned Member since:Jul 2013	Apart from TOS? I always found TNG, DS9 and Voyager to be a bit stuffy with stiff performances. Discovery is not worth watching or the cartoons. Strange New Worlds is still modern Trek that cannot escape its spin-off status from Discovery. It’s ok but poor acting kinda ruins it. That leaves Enterprise which probably works best if you missed the late 80s/90s Trek.

05-31-2023, 11:14 PM	#73
Batmon77 Blu-ray Baron Member since:Oct 2011 Location:New York City 4K collection:13 Blu-ray collection:428 DVD collection:1	I've always had a soft spot for Captain Pike. I need to check out Strange New Worlds.........im just scared when folks try to "capture" old shit.

06-06-2023, 07:54 PM	#78
LexInHD Blu-ray Samurai Member since:Oct 2010 Blu-ray collection:226	There was a single early episode where the Maquis crew on Voyager that hadn't already agreed to the amnesty offer were told to shape up and behave by joining the ranks of the crew or be thrown out the airlock. Beyond that, it was never addressed again and they didn't really have the opportunity or time to do that, though we know that they were planning to overthrow the Starfleet crew early on, via Seska's pre-Kazon alliance machinations.

06-08-2023, 03:04 PM	#79
JamesKurtovich Blu-ray Ninja Member since:Dec 2008 Location:Alaska Home Theater Gallery:6 Blu-ray collection:229 Blu-ray reviews:4 Trading Score:2	I couldn't stand any story involving the Maquis. Loved it when the Dominion wrote them out of the series for good. Lol

06-08-2023, 03:17 PM	#80
mwynn Blu-ray Grand Duke Member since:Mar 2008 Blu-ray collection:- Trading Score:2	https://www.startrek.com/news/star-t...o-day-of-blood First-Ever Star Trek Comic Crossover Event to Debut with Star Trek: Prelude to Day of Blood The introductory precursor issue merges IDW’s ongoing flagship series with Star Trek: Defiant in a harrowing five-issue journey.

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