Once Upon a Time in the West 4K UHD (1968) (Paramount Presents #44) - Page 4 - Blu-ray Forum

SpaceBlackKnight · 12-29-2022, 01:44 AM

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Originally Posted by captainsolo

And like I'm sure there will be no sign of the alternate Italian cut that has never been released here.

Paramount does not own the Italian cut and only controls distribution in most places. A firm called Euro International Films owns distribution rights in Italy and holds the OCN (which Paramount uses for constructing their restored international versions). The new 4k HDR restoration is of the 168 min cut and was carried out by Ritrovata (though Paramount handled the color grading).

Hammerlover · 12-29-2022, 02:04 AM

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Originally Posted by sultanofcinema

I saw this film when it opened in 1969. I saw the restoration at the Film Forum in 1980/1981 (thanks to Martin Scorsese). It is quite simply, a masterpiece. Interesting that Leone wanted Eastwood, Van Cleef and Wallach to be the three at the train station in the opening waiting for Charles Bronson. Wallach and Van Cleef were on board but Eastwood was not. The restoration has been running on the Criterion Channel for some time and it is beautiful. Lets also move ahead with The Adventurers (1970), Goodbye Columbus (1969) and Chinatown.

Please give us ALFIE, THE PENTHOUSE, and BLOODLINE too, Paramount!

Macatouille · 12-29-2022, 02:32 AM

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Originally Posted by SpaceBlackKnight

Paramount does not own the Italian cut and only controls distribution in most places. A firm called Euro International Films owns distribution rights in Italy and holds the OCN (which Paramount uses for constructing their restored international versions). The new 4k HDR restoration is of the 168 min cut and was carried out by Ritrovata (though Paramount handled the color grading).

Well thank God for that.

bleakassassin · 12-29-2022, 05:27 AM

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Originally Posted by captainsolo

With Kino handling this release I feel better than if Paramount was doing it themselves. Fingers crossed they didn't fubar the master before handing it off.

captainsolo · 12-29-2022, 06:29 AM

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Originally Posted by SpaceBlackKnight

Paramount does not own the Italian cut and only controls distribution in most places. A firm called Euro International Films owns distribution rights in Italy and holds the OCN (which Paramount uses for constructing their restored international versions). The new 4k HDR restoration is of the 168 min cut and was carried out by Ritrovata (though Paramount handled the color grading).

Yeah it’s always been right holders not agreeing or making deals with one another that have held up the Italian exclusive footage from appearing elsewhere. I’m happy it’s new work that has been done and when not doing their color tomfoolery Ritrovata can do well. Though if this is like when Kino stepped in on FAFDM we might see a few things pop up like hairs and frame wobble.

I always think with an archival dream mindset first and then remember all the practicalities. Hopefully someone will address the mono and fix the end music.
It would be cool if a featurette was included about the edits and release versions. In addition to the branching of the footage added back to the Blu-ray it would be super cool (and of course ultra nerdy) to somehow have a second branching option with and without the Harmonica rising scene.

aviosis · 12-29-2022, 06:29 AM

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Originally Posted by HD Goofnut

I hope this is coming. This is my favorite Fonda film after 12 Angry Men.

Speaking of, when is kino releasing this again? Looking forward to it since they announced a few months back

NYorker · 12-29-2022, 01:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Bostonyte

Agree! WTF was he thinking?

It was supposed to signify the death of the western as a genre, if I remember correctly. I had the collector's DVD and there was a discussion about the idea, but I think Eastwood couldn't make it or something. In any case, the opening remains one of the best ever. Just began watching it on Netflix. Now that I know it's coming to 4K, I'll stop...

White Dang · 12-29-2022, 01:43 PM

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Originally Posted by NYorker

but I think Eastwood couldn't make it or something. In any case, the opening remains one of the best ever.

Eastwood was ready to go until he heard his screentime was 10 minutes tops, then he said hell no.

Can't wait for this, top 5 for me. Just sold my Blu so hopefully it's good.

Geoff D · 12-29-2022, 02:20 PM

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Originally Posted by captainsolo

Yeah it’s always been right holders not agreeing or making deals with one another that have held up the Italian exclusive footage from appearing elsewhere. I’m happy it’s new work that has been done and when not doing their color tomfoolery Ritrovata can do well. Though if this is like when Kino stepped in on FAFDM we might see a few things pop up like hairs and frame wobble.

I always think with an archival dream mindset first and then remember all the practicalities. Hopefully someone will address the mono and fix the end music.
It would be cool if a featurette was included about the edits and release versions. In addition to the branching of the footage added back to the Blu-ray it would be super cool (and of course ultra nerdy) to somehow have a second branching option with and without the Harmonica rising scene.

As Paramount are allegedly releasing this then you can pretty much kiss the mono goodbye. Then again, even Kino would prolly stick a downmix of the 5.1 on there as the 'mono' and then tell you to **** off and don't buy it if you don't like it.

captainsolo · 12-29-2022, 04:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Geoff D

As Paramount are allegedly releasing this then you can pretty much kiss the mono goodbye. Then again, even Kino would prolly stick a downmix of the 5.1 on there as the 'mono' and then tell you to **** off and don't buy it if you don't like it.

Oh shoot. I missed the bit about Paramount is doing it themselves.
Oh boy. Here we go. Indeed we will be lucky if any form of the mono is there.
This will essentially be an 4k upgrade of the BD then in terms of zero effort on their part.

Matt89 · 12-29-2022, 05:02 PM

LOL ya no way am I getting rid of my BD until I see screenshots/read a review from someone credible.

Bostonyte · 12-29-2022, 05:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Matt89

LOL ya no way am I getting rid of my BD until I see screenshots/read a review from someone credible.

HDTV1080P will have his 4K player and 1080p display locked and loaded!

Gacivory · 12-29-2022, 05:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Bostonyte

HDTV1080P will have his 4K player and 1080p display locked and loaded!

They can also put to rest whether this movie is fictional or not!

Matt89 · 12-29-2022, 05:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Bostonyte

HDTV1080P will have his 4K player and 1080p display locked and loaded!

The only review that'll convince me to make a purchase.

Mr. Chaverria · 12-29-2022, 06:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Hammerlover

PLEASE get the ending right this time.

What was up w/ the ending? I don't remember anything about an error w/ it.

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I remember when TGTBTU was ****ed up on the BD w/ the colors from Kino some time ago. And I just never went back to Kino for the rest of the Leone films. Were any of their Leone films correct in the image?

I would love to own a Leone film again, ****...I think I have that DVD set from..a long time ago.

OUATITW though... that one would hurt my soul a bit if it was ****ed up. It's a goddamn painting come to life.

Nocheduro · 12-29-2022, 07:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Geoff D

As Paramount are allegedly releasing this then you can pretty much kiss the mono goodbye. Then again, even Kino would prolly stick a downmix of the 5.1 on there as the 'mono' and then tell you to **** off and don't buy it if you don't like it.

Paramount did put the mono track on the Blu-ray release, though it was lossy.

Hammerlover · 12-29-2022, 07:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Mr. Chaverria

What was up w/ the ending? I don't remember anything about an error w/ it.

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I remember when TGTBTU was ****ed up on the BD w/ the colors from Kino some time ago. And I just never went back to Kino for the rest of the Leone films. Were any of their Leone films correct in the image?

I would love to own a Leone film again, ****...I think I have that DVD set from..a long time ago.

OUATITW though... that one would hurt my soul a bit if it was ****ed up. It's a goddamn painting come to life.

They used the wrong music cue for the restoration. There was a lengthy article in Video Watchdog about it.

stvn1974 · 12-29-2022, 07:58 PM

If this is half as amazing as the Paramount Presents To Catch A Thief BD remaster then we are in for a real treat.

Nocheduro · 12-29-2022, 09:25 PM

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Originally Posted by stvn1974

If this is half as amazing as the Paramount Presents To Catch A Thief BD remaster then we are in for a real treat.

That would be a complete disaster.

5150z · 12-29-2022, 10:19 PM

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Originally Posted by stvn1974

If this is half as amazing as the Paramount Presents To Catch A Thief BD remaster then we are in for a real treat.

Sarcasm, right??

12-29-2022, 05:02 PM	#71
Matt89 Blu-ray Knight Top contributor Member since:Sep 2008 Location:Toronto 4K collection:346 Blu-ray collection:371 iTunes collection:48 Trading Score:2	LOL ya no way am I getting rid of my BD until I see screenshots/read a review from someone credible.

12-29-2022, 07:58 PM	#78
stvn1974 Banned Member since:Jan 2012 Location:Earth Trading Score:18	If this is half as amazing as the Paramount Presents To Catch A Thief BD remaster then we are in for a real treat.

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