Older TV series (shot in lower resolution) on BD? - Page 4 - Blu-ray Forum

dv8pdx · 10-19-2008, 02:54 AM

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Originally Posted by sardaukar1977

I just want my Star Trek: The Next Generation on Blu.

I dont think you'll see ST:TNG on blu - it was shot on crappy SD video and not even widescreen. Plus if you all remember when ST: the original series came out on HD-DUD, it was $200+ for the first season, and that was shot on film so HD conversion was easier plus they didn't sell well at that price. ST: Enterprise is really the only one with a chance at a good/excellent HD transfer since it was shot in HD. Keep your old ST:TNG/DS9/VOYAGER DVDs and enjoy the upscale, probably the best you'll see and tons cheaper too.

But hey, Im with you... if they could do it, I too would jump on it and get it.

EDIT: I stand corrected - ST:TNG was shot on 35mm film and transfered to VIDEO(NTSC) for presentation on TV but the bad part is it was shot at 1.33:1 aspect ractio (4x3 TV). But then again ST:TOS-Remastered was shot at 1:33.1 too but comes in 3 HD versions - version 1. Its pillarboxed with both the remastered footage and new digital effects in 1:33.1, 2. Its pillarboxed with the remastered footage in 4x3 but 16x9 on the digital effects, and 3. released in Japan, its 16x9 for all scenes with the remastered scenes stretched to 16x9...

Sean4000 · 10-19-2008, 03:04 AM

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Originally Posted by dv8pdx

I dont think you'll see ST:TNG on blu - it was shot on crappy SD video and not even widescreen. Plus if you all remember when ST: the original series came out on HD-DUD, it was $200+ for the first season, and that was shot on film so HD conversion was easier plus they didn't sell well at that price. ST: Enterprise is really the only one with a chance at a good/excellent HD transfer since it was shot in HD. Keep your old ST:TNG/DS9/VOYAGER DVDs and enjoy the upscale, probably the best you'll see and tons cheaper too.

But hey, Im with you... if they could do it, I too would jump on it and get it.

EDIT: I stand corrected - ST:TNG was shot on 35mm film and transfered to VIDEO(NTSC) for presentation on TV but the bad part is it was shot at 1.33:1 aspect ractio (4x3 TV).

I would love to see it done too. TNG was shot on film but mastered on video taken from the film. To remaster TNG would be a laborious task. Frankly, I would like to see another company remaster TNG instead of CBS.

lobosrul · 10-19-2008, 03:52 PM

The problem with Star Trek TNG is that while principal shooting was done on 35mm, the special effects were done on SD video. The only 2 options for a BD transfer would be to re-do the special effects (which might be pretty damn cool), or upscale them.

dv8pdx · 10-19-2008, 08:35 PM

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Originally Posted by lobosrul

The problem with Star Trek TNG is that while principal shooting was done on 35mm, the special effects were done on SD video. The only 2 options for a BD transfer would be to re-do the special effects (which might be pretty damn cool), or upscale them.

I would love to see them upgrade the special effects and space shots like they did for the original series... since many of the special effects in the early seasons of TNG were really cheesy and very "new technology in effects" at that time. I remember watching it in '87 thinking "WOW, this is so cool" and watching it now trying not to laugh. Lets just hope...

mjjckc · 10-22-2008, 07:08 PM

I think the best bet for TNG on Blu would be for Paramount to pick a couple episodes to remaster in HD (Yesterday's Enterprise, BOBW, All Good Things come to mind). They already put out the themed box sets so there is a bit of a precedent.

Otherwise the only way they'd be able to justify the cost would be if they planned to rebroadcast TNG in HD. Redoing post production on the 178 episodes could easily cost over $100 million.

Lucy Diamond · 10-22-2008, 07:36 PM

I made peace with that fact that I will never Get Suddenly Susan on video...ever.

The odds of it going Blu are slim to none.

lobosrul · 10-22-2008, 09:10 PM

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Originally Posted by mjjckc

I think the best bet for TNG on Blu would be for Paramount to pick a couple episodes to remaster in HD (Yesterday's Enterprise, BOBW, All Good Things come to mind). They already put out the themed box sets so there is a bit of a precedent.

Otherwise the only way they'd be able to justify the cost would be if they planned to rebroadcast TNG in HD. Redoing post production on the 178 episodes could easily cost over $100 million.

$100 mil sounds a bit high to me, all the new effects would be CGI. If the original series can get an HD release, I don't see why TNG can't. Certainly they should take it one season at at time though.

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Originally Posted by Lucy Diamond

I made peace with that fact that I will never Get Suddenly Susan on video...ever.

The odds of it going Blu are slim to none.

Ugh, I can't believe that I actually have a vague recollection of that show. Lets hope it never sees the light of day.

-Sandro- · 10-23-2008, 12:28 AM

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Originally Posted by lobosrul

Search for it on imdb.com then click on "technical" on the left hand menu bar.

Examples:

MASH (shot in 35mm): http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0068098/technical
WKRP in Cincinnati (video) http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0077097/technical

If it was a weekly show made in the US starting in about the late 80's for a major network it was almost certainly filmed on 35mm. Before that most dramas were filmed (sometimes in 16mm) but sitcoms were sometimes video taped.

In the UK (until the late 90's when digital took over), it was common to videotape indoor scenes and shoot outdoors scenes on 16mm.

does the 16mm resolution allow to get at least 720p? what's the resolution of 35mm?

lobosrul · 10-23-2008, 03:39 PM

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Originally Posted by -Sandro-

does the 16mm resolution allow to get at least 720p? what's the resolution of 35mm?

There really is no way to give an exact number on what resolution film has, plus it would depend on the film stock and how old/worn out the film is (and how well preserved). 35mm would be at least 4000 lines though.

For an example Chuck on NBC is filmed in 16mm. And while its the worst looking HDTV show I can think of, it certainly looks better @ 1080i than analog TV (480i). http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0934814/technical

I also think its actually made to look grainy on purpose.

jd213 · 10-24-2008, 05:40 AM

TNG really needs re-mastering as even the DVDs look like crap. They're full of rainbows and dot-crawl. They don't have to release it all right away, but I hope they do it eventually.

They should just hurry up and put TOS Remastered on Blu-ray already, preferrably with both the original FX and the CG FX via seamless branching.

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10-19-2008, 03:52 PM	#63
lobosrul Active Member Member since:Aug 2008	The problem with Star Trek TNG is that while principal shooting was done on 35mm, the special effects were done on SD video. The only 2 options for a BD transfer would be to re-do the special effects (which might be pretty damn cool), or upscale them.

10-22-2008, 07:08 PM	#65
mjjckc Active Member Top contributor Member since:May 2008 4K collection:- Blu-ray collection:- DVD collection:- MA collection:- Digital collection:- iTunes collection:- Prime collection:-	I think the best bet for TNG on Blu would be for Paramount to pick a couple episodes to remaster in HD (Yesterday's Enterprise, BOBW, All Good Things come to mind). They already put out the themed box sets so there is a bit of a precedent. Otherwise the only way they'd be able to justify the cost would be if they planned to rebroadcast TNG in HD. Redoing post production on the 178 episodes could easily cost over $100 million.

10-22-2008, 07:36 PM	#66
Lucy Diamond Blu-ray Champion Top contributor Member since:Apr 2008 Location:The Tomb of Annihilation 4K collection:- Blu-ray collection:- DVD collection:- Digital collection:- Blu-ray reviews: 2 Trading Score:3	I made peace with that fact that I will never Get Suddenly Susan on video...ever. The odds of it going Blu are slim to none.

10-24-2008, 05:40 AM	#70
jd213 Special Member Member since:Sep 2007 Location:less than 10 minutes from Akihabara	TNG really needs re-mastering as even the DVDs look like crap. They're full of rainbows and dot-crawl. They don't have to release it all right away, but I hope they do it eventually. They should just hurry up and put TOS Remastered on Blu-ray already, preferrably with both the original FX and the CG FX via seamless branching.

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