Older TV series (shot in lower resolution) on BD?

[USF Bull]

I was wondering about older t.v. shows that were shot in SD (like Cheers, The Simpsons, Friends, ect...) If there would be any improvement what so ever if released on blu? Would it be worth waiting for, or is upconverting going to be the same with these shows?

[WickyWoo]

Cheers was shot on film, there is already HD masters of the show

Simpsons is not, Friends was shot on film and supposedly they've already made HD masters of it

There can be an improvement, but I seriously doubt any SD-only programming will ever be released bya major studio on Blu

[supersix4]

Originally Posted by WickyWoo

Cheers was shot on film, there is already HD masters of the show

Simpsons is not, Friends was shot on film and supposedly they've already made HD masters of it

There can be an improvement, but I seriously doubt any SD-only programming will ever be released bya major studio on Blu

and like hes said b4 other shows that are out on dvd doubt they would reinvest to do blu-ray unless its really worth it for them...

[Blubaru]

I want me some Miami Vice in HD

[Marcusarilius]

The T Zone and The Outer Limits.

[jibucha]

Hello


Expect everything in due time!

Having already seen several old movies from the 30's & 40's in High Definition that are breathtaking; you can easily expect remarkable picture quality irrespective of the age of either movies or television shows.

I am confidant that any content currently available on DVD or otherwise, will eventually become available on Blu-ray in High Quality High Definition, representing the best possible with today's improved, and constantly improving technology..

It's like the CD Collection of Caruso, that I purchased some twenty years ago; so much mostly unavailable for many decades, probably something like sixty years, and then with a remarkable audio format coming available, suddenly everything known to be available by Caruso, is collected together and released in one collection at one time.

Some very early television shows on DVD are already far better in picture quality than most would expect today from a Blu-ray release, which is simply an insight into what either is already possible or will be coming soon as High Definition transfers become available replacing the already remarkable Standard Definition Quality of DVD.

There are developments happening regularly in telecine that can remarkably improve old film, which again, lends itself to insight into what is to be expected. As special algorithms specific to issues of improving the quality of older content, are recognized, developed and implemented in the transfer process; remarkable improvements can be expected, and of course, released on Blu-ray.

It really is a matter of how good of a job that the content provider wishes to do. The Hollywood Film Industry has a lot to gain by making the best possible quality available on Blu-ray, and will recognize this as time goes on.

Of course, the transfer quality depends on many factors, but ultimately, I expect great things for many years to come.

The perception that only recent film is to be expected to be high quality is simply not so.

Thank You

[Marcusarilius]

Originally Posted by jibucha

Hello


Expect everything in due time!

Having already seen several old movies from the 30's & 40's in High Definition that are breathtaking; you can easily expect remarkable picture quality irrespective of the age of either movies or television shows.

I am confidant that any content currently available on DVD or otherwise, will eventually become available on Blu-ray in High Quality High Definition, representing the best possible with today's improved, and constantly improving technology..

It's like the CD Collection of Caruso, that I purchased some twenty years ago; so much mostly unavailable for many decades, probably something like sixty years, and then with a remarkable audio format coming available, suddenly everything known to be available by Caruso, is collected together and released in one collection at one time.

Some very early television shows on DVD are already far better in picture quality than most would expect today from a Blu-ray release, which is simply an insight into what either is already possible or will be coming soon as High Definition transfers become available replacing the already remarkable Standard Definition Quality of DVD.

There are developments happening regularly in telecine that can remarkably improve old film, which again, lends itself to insight into what is to be expected. As special algorithms specific to issues of improving the quality of older content, are recognized, developed and implemented in the transfer process; remarkable improvements can be expected, and of course, released on Blu-ray.

It really is a matter of how good of a job that the content provider wishes to do. The Hollywood Film Industry has a lot to gain by making the best possible quality available on Blu-ray, and will recognize this as time goes on.

Of course, the transfer quality depends on many factors, but ultimately, I expect great things for many years to come.

The perception that only recent film is to be expected to be high quality is simply not so.

Thank You

Absolutely! I will up-grade anything I am interested in getting on BD. I know every movie or TV show will be an improvement. I'm not much for being diswaded by someone's technical facts on a given show shot on this or that. Everything will be better on BD!

[USF Bull]

but how much of an improvement would we see on t.v. shows not ment for the theatres??? Wickiy pointed out some shows on film, i did not know that film was also used on television programs. So is it the norm or the exception?? and Thanks to all for your replies.

[jibucha]

Hello

Regardless whether film or video; substantial improvement should be expected in television shows released on Blu-ray.

Regarding film in television shows; CBS specifically, to the best of my knowledge, has been using film since the early 1990's, fully aware early on of the benefits for the future, to having High Quality High Definition Content extensively available in their Television Show Archives; certainly, this results today, in having a considerable library for broadcast, and specifically today, for release easily on Blu-ray.

Personally, I am looking forward to obtaining the series Nash Bridges on Blu-ray when it is available.

Regarding video in television shows; while I do not have any specific information; I do think that to expect that video quality is not worthy of HD Quality would be erroneous.

I am expecting television shows, whether film or video, from the beginning of television, to be commonly available on Blu-ray, and certainly of the quality to be expected; no less so than both availabilty and quality transitioning from VHS to DVD; just DVD to Blu-ray now.

For myself, I am currently contemplating acquiring several television shows already available on Blu-ray, to begin an insight into what quality is already available, and specifically, what quality to expect as compared to the original broadcast quality, which I find to be outstanding by any measure; this having daily watched HD Content on a simple roof antenna for over eight years.

For myself; if any movie or television show series is available on Blu-ray, at the highest quality possible; I will happily acquire the series of interest to me and enjoy them, knowing that they will be representative of the best possible. Why else would any series be released on Blu-ray? If poor quality is available on Blu-ray, it will simply result in a loss of support of the format, which certainly makes no sense by any measure.

This may be of some interest; especially referencing the quality available from older series; the television series The Prisoner, from the mid-sixties, has already been indicated as being available in 2008/2009; this series is forty years old already, so it already indicates what we can expect, as the decisions of release are made in coming years. I intend to immediately acquire this television series, which given it's age already, will certainly be a reliable measurement of what can be expected.

Knowing the balance of film & video in television series is beyond my current knowledge, but certainly, both have been available, with film most likely dominant in recent years. I will have to pursue information in this regard, now that you have focused my attention on it.

Thank You

Originally Posted by USF Bull

but how much of an improvement would we see on t.v. shows not ment for the theatres??? Wickiy pointed out some shows on film, i did not know that film was also used on television programs. So is it the norm or the exception?? and Thanks to all for your replies.

[Scooby Blu]

Man, had one season. Loved it, not many remember 1977-1977 and yes Logan's Run. Remake 2012?

[jw]

I have no desire to upgrade my TVonDVD collection to blu, they are a once viewed thing and arent worth it after all the money I have spent. Future items maybe

[Sherlock_Holmes206]

I have around 170 television seasons on dvd, not sure if I would want to pay the extra expense for possibly only minimal improvement. Some of them were already pricey enough so I can imagine the cost on Blu ray.

[Quad]

A big problem is that some studios didn't release the entire run of their older series on DVD and may do the same for BD.

Fox is a big culprit. They only released 2 of 7 seasons of Hill Street Blues, Just 1 season of 7 of St. Elsewhere, 4 of 7 of the Bob Newhart Show. Paramount did the same thing with only 3 seasons of Taxi. They both said that it was due to lack of sales but I believe it was not as profitable as they would have liked, not that they actually lost money.

If they want consumers to invest in another format they better make a commitment to releasing the entire run of a series. I hope all the series we want on BD come with the option of buying the entire series in a boxed set.

[Quad]

Originally Posted by jibucha

Hello


This may be of some interest; especially referencing the quality available from older series; the television series The Prisoner, from the mid-sixties, has already been indicated as being available in 2008/2009; this series is forty years old already, so it already indicates what we can expect, as the decisions of release are made in coming years. I intend to immediately acquire this television series, which given it's age already, will certainly be a reliable measurement of what can be expected.

Thank You

I have this on DVD and would buy it on BD. One of my favorite TV shows growing up.

[sardaukar1977]

I just want my Star Trek: The Next Generation on Blu.

[darkpoet25]

Originally Posted by Quad

I have this on DVD and would buy it on BD. One of my favorite TV shows growing up.

Also a great song by Iron Maiden.

[shakeyspear]

I think that how well a TV show sold on DVD could be a deciding factor whether or not it would be considered for Blu-ray. For example, Quad, a few posts up, sited the fact that Fox has only released the first two seasons of Hill Street Blues and hasn't released any more since due to poor sales. Because of this, I doubt Fox would seriously consider a Blu release for this show based on the DVD sales despite the fact that HSB is one of the all-time top classic TV cop shows.

And yes, I'd love to see both The Man From Atlantis and Logan's Run TV shows on DVD or (preferably) Blu-ray! Logan's Run would probably have a bigger audience though but I reckon MFA hasn't showed up on DVD yet because the studio (Universal, I think) probably doesn't have faith it would sell very well on DVD.

[chriharr]

A lot of the earlier simpsons episodes were released on film right up until about 99 and from there on I think it all went digital, I'm pretty sure every episode released after that was still shot on a HD digital format of some sort.

so yes Simpsons will go to Blu-ray one day I'm sure of it, the DVD's will do just fine though, they look great upscaled already.

I think every simpsons episode made after 1997 was actually produced in Widescreen frame but it was always cropped in 4:3 for broadcasting since Widescreen TV's weren't popular for many years to come.

Simpsons will one day be broadcast in 1.78:1 or 1.85:1 or 16:9.

I love the fact that most earlier TV shows were shot entirely on film, this means that we can dig deep into the vaults and transfer the film to digital and see more detail now that technology actually allows us to see more.

ofcourse 1080p isn't the best quality out there, believe me 1080p is old technology in the industry, but never before have we had the chance of using it at home, therefore there's a huge leap in quality for home viewing, but it only means that 4k and 8k projectors will be introduced into Cinemas worldwide completely over taking 35mm, still nothing can match the quality of 35mm in the next few years they might surpass film quality.

[syncguy]

As indicated previously, if the original is on film, blu-ray would improve picture qaulity, however, if original is on SD, the improvement would be marginal if any, I think.

The key benefit of transferring old SD TV shows to BD could be the advantage of large storage capacity of BD, so that many episodes would fit into one disk. But not sure whether this will be a strong enough reason for people to purchase again on BD.

[WickyWoo]

nd yes, I'd love to see both The Man From Atlantis and Logan's Run TV shows on DVD or (preferably) Blu-ray!

Logan's Run is almost assured to be released with the remake, whenever that hits, but I wouldn't count on a Blu version since the numbers aren't likely to be that great on it.

A lot of the earlier simpsons episodes were released on film right up until about 99 and from there on I think it all went digital, I'm pretty sure every episode released after that was still shot on a HD digital format of some sort.

While Simpsons was shot to film, and didn't go digital ink and paint, it is very unlikely the korean studios still have that film. They go cel>film>videotape and toss out everything before the delivery if they follow standard SOP

The key benefit of transferring old SD TV shows to BD could be the advantage of large storage capacity of BD, so that many episodes would fit into one disk. But not sure whether this will be a strong enough reason for people to purchase again on BD.

Which as I've said in many threads won't happen. It's not the cost of the medium that determines pricing, it's the cost of the material ON the medium. Perception is everything, and the average consumer sees 6 DVDs as worth more than 1 Blu at the same price. Aside from maybe a short run collector set, no, it won't happen