1080p: high-res make movies look cheap & fake? (Actually frame rate TV interpolation)

[Midnightsailor]

Originally Posted by GGX

Store displays are the absolute worse thing you can go by for an accurate representation of Blu-ray. Or if shopping for a TV In general. Store displays are set to "torch mode" which is where the brightness and contrast are maxed out.

Not to mention, most average consumers think these are the correct settings and, after a while, wont watch it any other way.

[SkillzthatKillz]

Originally Posted by jsub

It's not just Best Buy. I saw the same thing at Circuit City and Costco, which made me question whether it was the progressive scan that was causing this look. I didnt state anything untrue, I stated what I saw and I asked a valid question.

i never said your question wasnt valid . its actually a good one because youre just trying to understand why the 1080p TV's on display looked the way they did. have we done a decent job explaining it to you?

[Col. Zombie]

Originally Posted by jpthomas27

Not sure were to start...

First, your logic is all out of wack!! It either looks real or it doesn't, there is no such thing as "too real"; it makes no sense!

Tomayto / Tomahto. Let's argue semantics and word usage. This isn't propergrammar.com.

Does someone really need to draw you a picture to help you understand what people mean by the phrase "too real"?

It's ironic to hear someone use the word "logic" in a sentence where they display their own ignorace in such a condescending manner.

[jsub]

Originally Posted by SkillzthatKillz

i never said your question wasnt valid . its actually a good one because youre just trying to understand why the 1080p TV's on display looked the way they did. have we done a decent job explaining it to you?

Excellent, thank you very much. We can now retire this thread

[ozzman]

Come on,Iam having fun reading this one

[My_Two_Cents]

This thread, and most of the posts are making my head hurt!

Simple answer: Watch you movie on a plasma, and you won't see the soap-opera-like picture you are describing. Motion enhancement on LCDs are what's causing this (not 120Hz). It has nothing to do with 1080p/1080i 30Hz/60Hz/72Hz/etc...

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[brett_day]

Originally Posted by jsub

I have a 1080i at home and went to some stores to check out the 1080p sets. I know its double the resolution. However, after watching the same Blu-rays I own at home at the store, it seems like every movie looks so real that it doesn't look like a movie anymore.

Everything looks like a cheap documentary or news report or theatrical play. I can't explain it. It seems the quality is too realistic to a fault. Batman Begins and ID4 both looked fake, especially the live action sequences. I thought I was watching a "making of" documentary during the Tumbler sequence through Gotham.

Does anybody know what I'm talking about? I'd prefer to stick with 1080i if my movies are going to look cheap with the double resolution.

were you viewing them on a 120hz lcd? the 120hz feature makes movies look completely fake!

[pancho]

Originally Posted by jsub

I have a 1080i at home and went to some stores to check out the 1080p sets. I know its double the resolution. However, after watching the same Blu-rays I own at home at the store, it seems like every movie looks so real that it doesn't look like a movie anymore.

Everything looks like a cheap documentary or news report or theatrical play. I can't explain it. It seems the quality is too realistic to a fault. Batman Begins and ID4 both looked fake, especially the live action sequences. I thought I was watching a "making of" documentary during the Tumbler sequence through Gotham.

Does anybody know what I'm talking about? I'd prefer to stick with 1080i if my movies are going to look cheap with the double resolution.

Well it could be the transfer or the bad display monitor, but in actuality 1080P is LESS pixels then actual movie pixels! We still haven't caught up yet with the film resolution.

[SDBlu]

Well, I for one like my 120hz motion enhancer. I disagree about it being so bad that it makes the movies look like cartoons or soap operas. This feature was one of the things i liked most about my set.

[SkillzthatKillz]

Originally Posted by jsub

Excellent, thank you very much. We can now retire this thread

No problem. Always glad to help where I can, although most of the other guys beat me to the punch lol. My personal recomendation is to go with plasma for movies, although LCD has closed the gap a lot

[SkillzthatKillz]

Originally Posted by pancho

Well it could be the transfer or the bad display monitor, but in actuality 1080P is LESS pixels then actual movie pixels! We still haven't caught up yet with the film resolution.

we may have less pixels but our displays are A LOT smaller, plus LCD and plasma provide better contrast and colors than most projectors. Therefore, a Blu-ray at home often looks better than it did in theaters. God I love HD!

[welwynnick]

Originally Posted by pancho

Well it could be the transfer or the bad display monitor, but in actuality 1080P is LESS pixels then actual movie pixels! We still haven't caught up yet with the film resolution.

Really? Lots of people complain about being able to see film grain on blu-rays.

I wonder if they're the same sort of people who complain about film judder...?

Nick

[SellmeyourDVD]

Originally Posted by BACsader

Again, 120hz refresh rate has this effect. Go into the menu at the stores, turn of motion flow or whatever that tv has, and notice the difference.

I love how people think it's the 120hz, and than they call it the motion flow thinggy

The 120hz gets rid of the judder, it has nothing to do with the motion enhancers. The motion enhancers are all called different things (auto motion plus/ motion flow ect) and are only found on LCDs. The 120hz only helps with fast moving scenes, it has nothing to do with the "to real" feel to it.

[ozzman]

If i had to do it all over again i would of invested in a 1080p.I own a 1080i and very happy with it,But i know i would of been more happy with one series up from mine.So i saved 400 bucks. this is what i get for being a cheap ass.

You don't have too convince nobody that 1080p is good,It's all ready known.

The only people that i find have a problem in it is owners of a 1080i and they are try to convince themselves and other people that 1080i and 1080p look the same or 1080p looks fake.Two each there own.
But iam not a nieve guy.I can admit whats better and what not

This is only my own personal opinion and experience of watch 1080p movies in ahhhh.

But boys please go on i find this thread entertaining and funny at times

The quote "To real" Now that's to funny

[dobyblue]

Originally Posted by Steelmaker

Is it possible for a set to support 120hz, yet not support 24p??

Absolutely and there are plenty of them that do this.

They handshake with a 1080p24 signal, perform 3:2 pulldown to get to 1080p60, then 2:2 pulldown to get to 1080p120.

No advantage to using 1080p24 in this matter unless your TV does a better job than your player at 3:2 pulldown.

Plenty of the early Samsung and Sharp 120Hz sets did this. Sony were the first ones to properly do 120Hz using 5:5 pulldown.

Originally Posted by jsub

I have a 1080i at home and went to some stores to check out the 1080p sets. I know its double the resolution.

To get a better grasp on resolution, what 3:2 cadence is all about, the relationship between 1080p24 and 1080i60, etc., I highly recommend reading this article all the way through.

It doesn't take long and is VERY educational - http://www.hometheaterhifi.com/volum...07-part-1.html

[Daredevil666]

Raise a pint to France and the FNAC stores, where most of the High Def TVs are on display using various motion-flow, "large" settings or "full screen" settings (for 16/9 enhanced image), and of course where the Blu-Ray player on display showing you the magnificence of FF2 and high definition is actually currently reading the SD DVD.

"The future is not set". Not in FNAC stores anyway.

[jiwilliams]

I just registered here just to post in this thread.

1st, I'm a tube watcher but I'm going HD this month.

I've been in several stores looking at sets and I understand the settings on them are jacked up and not optimized.

But... what I have seen in BD on HD plasma & lcd displays does have a documentary look to it. Iron Man, iRobot, Transformers all loose the gloss / glamour feel they had in the movie theater and look.. well.. fake. It is like you pulled away the magic and are standing there on set. Can we have too much detail?

Are there technological explanations for this?? Perhaps, but in the end it is because it no longer 'feels' like cinema. Reminds me of the move from LPs to CDs and the complaints that CDs sounded harsh and shallow.. and some did as the music was EQ-ed for analog.

Anyway, my .02 as a walk-in-off-the-street consumer.

Joe

[JasonR]

Originally Posted by jiwilliams

I just registered here just to post in this thread.

1st, I'm a tube watcher but I'm going HD this month.

I've been in several stores looking at sets and I understand the settings on them are jacked up and not optimized.

But... what I have seen in BD on HD plasma & lcd displays does have a documentary look to it. Iron Man, iRobot, Transformers all loose the gloss / glamour feel they had in the movie theater and look.. well.. fake. It is like you pulled away the magic and are standing there on set. Can we have too much detail?

Are there technological explanations for this?? Perhaps, but in the end it is because it no longer 'feels' like cinema. Reminds me of the move from LPs to CDs and the complaints that CDs sounded harsh and shallow.. and some did as the music was EQ-ed for analog.

Anyway, my .02 as a walk-in-off-the-street consumer.

Joe

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Motion_interpolation

[My_Two_Cents]

Originally Posted by jiwilliams

I've been in several stores looking at sets and I understand the settings on them are jacked up and not optimized.

But... what I have seen in BD on HD plasma & lcd displays does have a documentary look to it. Iron Man, iRobot, Transformers all loose the gloss / glamour feel they had in the movie theater and look.. well.. fake. It is like you pulled away the magic and are standing there on set. Can we have too much detail?

I highly doubt you saw this on a good plasma. The picture on a good, properly calibrated plasma will be the closest match to the actual theater picture that you will find in a plat panel display. I think you are talking about the motion enhancer crap on LCDs, which totally changes the look of film (in a bad way, IMHO).

[William H Pratt]

Whining is when you complain about cover art or the thickness of a case or the font style on the back. I think this is a legitimate concern.

May I suggest that if it seems TOO real then don't watch Hi Def type DVDs on HDTVs. ONLY watch films in theaters. Or is that too real???????