Planet Earth blu ray disc video quality issues.... - Page 4 - Blu-ray Forum

Deciazulado · 05-03-2007, 05:58 PM

The funny thing is that I didn't see any RF interference WHITE noise on that scene when I checked it, just what I stated above (1080p at 60Hz 1:1 pixels PS3)... I might take a look at it again and try to see those Shining rotor bladed interferences.. as the blood thickens

mistersh0w · 05-03-2007, 06:38 PM

I just feel like, if that's a viable reason, i'll go with it... Otherwise it could just be warner trying to get out of a massive recall/make avaiable some replacement discs...

ADWyatt · 05-03-2007, 10:54 PM

I don't know if I'm just adding fuel to the fire, but yes, my copy also shows flickering in spots. Other than that, the transfer is simply amazing. It kind of makes you wonder how good a Hollywood movie will be when produced from a digital source.

Deciazulado · 05-04-2007, 07:23 PM

Ok I rechecked, the scene, looking specifically at the noise pulsing
Watching at 2PH distance, you can see the noise pulsing at regular intervals. The frames go from one major grainy/noisy frame, to 13 less grainy/noisy frames, then another major grainy/noisy frame, back to 13 smoothed ones, over and over.

It looks white in the shadows as noise in shadows has only one way to go: up. But it's very hard to see on a correctly calibrated monitor as it's in dark black shadows. (Black level tends to be off (adjusted too high) in most TV monitors before I calibrate them). On the rest of the (brighter spots of the) image it looks as regular grain/noise (grain and noise are random irregular disturbances of the signal/image)

Here's a timetable I wrote down while watching (from a PS3 time display, watched on the 60Hz 1080p x 1920 1:1 display)

Disc 1

Title 4 (Title 1 if you select Play All)

Chapter 1 (Chapter 11 if you select Play All)

00: 04: 06 ( 01: 45: 10 if you select Play All)

frame 10 (frame 8 if you select Play All)
frame 24 (frame 22 if you select Play All)

00 :04: 07 ( 01: 45: 11 if you select Play All)

frame 14 (frame 12 if you select Play All)

00 :04: 08 ( 01: 45: 12 if you select Play All)

frame 4 (frame 2 if you select Play All)
frame 18 (frame 16 if you select Play All)

etc.

Major grain-noise pulsing occuring at regular 14 frame intervals which gives them a frequency of 1.7142 pulses per second (1.7857 at 25fps) or 103 pulses per minute (107 at 25fps)

It's the regularity of the grain/noise smoothing pulsing which gives it a flickering effect, otherwise, any random noise would look like constant, random noise.

jeremy_williams · 05-04-2007, 10:14 PM

I just got my copy and it also has this problem. I thought this disc was supposed to be narrated by Sigourney Weaver? Why do I have some dude narrating to me?

Rup_Muk · 05-04-2007, 10:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jeremy_williams

I just got my copy and it also has this problem. I thought this disc was supposed to be narrated by Sigourney Weaver? Why do I have some dude narrating to me?

The BD version has David Attenborough narrating - as in the original BBC release. I was hoping to get both tracks, but...I guess BD25 can only hold so much....

Knight-Errant · 05-04-2007, 10:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jeremy_williams

I just got my copy and it also has this problem. I thought this disc was supposed to be narrated by Sigourney Weaver? Why do I have some dude narrating to me?

That's the original UK narration provided by Sir David Attenborough, the naturalist.

jeremy_williams · 05-04-2007, 11:19 PM

That really sucks. I wanted the one with Sigourney. Did anyone find out what we are supposed to do if we got the screwed up discs?

Galley · 05-05-2007, 03:19 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jeremy_williams

That really sucks. I wanted the one with Sigourney. Did anyone find out what we are supposed to do if we got the screwed up discs?

The discs being sold on Discovery.com are the "Americanized" version that was shown on U.S. TV. Those have the Sigourney Weaver narration.

BTBuck1 · 05-05-2007, 05:36 PM

my copy has the pulsing/white speckling on dark scenes (usually overhead shots) as well. I gotta be honest, as interesting as this collection is, I am pretty dissapointed with it because of these and other issues with the filmography. I feel a little burned on this purchase.

Bracke gave this a 5 star...did he even watch it?

It's a 3 1/2 to me, some scenes are great...many are distracting.

Burk · 05-06-2007, 06:03 PM

I'm using a Sony BDP-S1 and a 52" Sharp Aquos LCD 1080p TV, and I'm getting this noise you're all describing. My first thought was that it looked like RF interferance, but couldn't really believe that a show with such amazing production values and stunning attention to every detail wouldn't have noticed such a thing during the shoot and dealt with it immediately. Having worked on many TV productions, I know that these issues do pop up occasionally, and it's grounds for a reshoot. Like most of the other complaints I've only noticed the 'on-off lines of white-dot noise' in the dark areas during fly-overs and other sequences that wouldn't have been insanely impossible to reshoot with more effective shielding or radio silence, etc... I don't know if I'm convinced that this is the problem, although it does seem to appear more often in aerial shots. And apparently nobody has noticed this phenomenon during the show's HD broadcast? As for the Attenborough/Weaver question, I'll bet they did the Weaver VO for US audiences mainly to address the meters/feet & kilometers/miles issues in the narration.

Rustmonsteru · 05-06-2007, 07:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Burk

And apparently nobody has noticed this phenomenon during the show's HD broadcast? .

After my BD viewing I caught a Discovery HD rerun for a moment (I had to leave). It was the the aerial shot of caribou migrating across a river. I found the noise there but only because I knew what to look for. It's nearly invisible in broadcast form. Why, I don't know.

As for that bit about RF noise from the helicopter radio, I'm not so sure about that b/c I've seen the noise in an underwater shot too. No underwater helicopters exist to my knowledge.

mistersh0w · 05-07-2007, 04:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rustmonsteru

As for that bit about RF noise from the helicopter radio, I'm not so sure about that b/c I've seen the noise in an underwater shot too. No underwater helicopters exist to my knowledge.

Well, I know that underwater helicopters don't exist, but I know the type of radio they used in the helicopter may be similar to the ones they used for the underwater shoot as well... If that's the case, why would they use the same radios (that they know cause the image interference) in any other shoot for the series?

Ascended_Saiyan · 05-08-2007, 08:25 PM

I just saw Planet Earth in Fry's Electronics for $69.99.

thebluemax · 05-09-2007, 03:00 AM

I just received a reply from BBC stating that the BLU-RAY discs of PE are not defective! Some of the scenes were shot in 16MM, therefore some of the so called problems stem from of the source material i.e. flickering, speckling in dark scenes. I have no complaints, I think PE is magnificent.

BTBuck1 · 05-09-2007, 11:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by thebluemax

I just received a reply from BBC stating that the BLU-RAY discs of PE are not defective! Some of the scenes were shot in 16MM, therefore some of the so called problems stem from of the source material i.e. flickering, speckling in dark scenes. I have no complaints, I think PE is magnificent.

Amazing, the same scenes on my friends DVR'd DiscoveryHD broadcasts show no Pulsing white noise...

I am pretty disappointed with my box set, with warner and especially the all mighty VC-1. The white noise isn't the only problem with these disc's, posterization is evident constantly, along with those jelly-fish like blocky artifacts in sky's and underwater scenes are atrocious these are not inherent in the filim...this is codec based compression artifacts.

DrinkMore · 05-10-2007, 12:02 AM

You all might want to read the back of your PE package.

The first line under the Dolby Digital, BBC logos.

Might explain some of the problems. Just a guess tho.

BTBuck1 · 05-10-2007, 12:07 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DrinkMore

You all might want to read the back of your PE package.

The first line under the Dolby Digital, BBC logos.

Might explain some of the problems. Just a guess tho.

I understand that fully, what I don't understand is why the Broadcast mpeg2 version doesn't suffer from the pulsing white noise that the VC-1 disc version does?

DrinkMore · 05-10-2007, 12:08 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BTBuck1

I understand that fully, what I don't understand is why the Broadcast mpeg2 version doesn't suffer from the pulsing white noise that the VC-1 disc version does?

You already answered your own question

Clearly, there is a coding issue somewhere regarding the HD releases of PE that is not evident (or not as much) on the broadcast version.

BTBuck1 · 05-10-2007, 12:21 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DrinkMore

You already answered your own question

Clearly, there is a coding issue somewhere regarding the HD releases of PE that is not evident (or not as much) on the broadcast version.

Ok so then why did you post what you did two posts back?

Quote:

Originally Posted by DrinkMore

You all might want to read the back of your PE package.

The first line under the Dolby Digital, BBC logos.

Might explain some of the problems. Just a guess tho.

05-04-2007, 07:23 PM	#64
Deciazulado Site Manager Top contributor Member since:Aug 2006 Location:USiberia Home Theater Gallery:6 4K collection:1159 Blu-ray collection:7044 DVD collection:4040	Ok I rechecked, the scene, looking specifically at the noise pulsing Watching at 2PH distance, you can see the noise pulsing at regular intervals. The frames go from one major grainy/noisy frame, to 13 less grainy/noisy frames, then another major grainy/noisy frame, back to 13 smoothed ones, over and over. It looks white in the shadows as noise in shadows has only one way to go: up. But it's very hard to see on a correctly calibrated monitor as it's in dark black shadows. (Black level tends to be off (adjusted too high) in most TV monitors before I calibrate them). On the rest of the (brighter spots of the) image it looks as regular grain/noise (grain and noise are random irregular disturbances of the signal/image) Here's a timetable I wrote down while watching (from a PS3 time display, watched on the 60Hz 1080p x 1920 1:1 display) Disc 1 Title 4 (Title 1 if you select Play All) Chapter 1 (Chapter 11 if you select Play All) 00: 04: 06 ( 01: 45: 10 if you select Play All) frame 10 (frame 8 if you select Play All) frame 24 (frame 22 if you select Play All) 00 :04: 07 ( 01: 45: 11 if you select Play All) frame 14 (frame 12 if you select Play All) 00 :04: 08 ( 01: 45: 12 if you select Play All) frame 4 (frame 2 if you select Play All) frame 18 (frame 16 if you select Play All) etc. Major grain-noise pulsing occuring at regular 14 frame intervals which gives them a frequency of 1.7142 pulses per second (1.7857 at 25fps) or 103 pulses per minute (107 at 25fps) It's the regularity of the grain/noise smoothing pulsing which gives it a flickering effect, otherwise, any random noise would look like constant, random noise. Last edited by Deciazulado; 05-04-2007 at 07:26 PM.

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05-03-2007, 05:58 PM	#61
Deciazulado Site Manager Top contributor Member since:Aug 2006 Location:USiberia Home Theater Gallery:6 4K collection:1159 Blu-ray collection:7044 DVD collection:4040	The funny thing is that I didn't see any RF interference WHITE noise on that scene when I checked it, just what I stated above (1080p at 60Hz 1:1 pixels PS3)... I might take a look at it again and try to see those Shining rotor bladed interferences.. as the blood thickens

05-03-2007, 06:38 PM	#62
mistersh0w Member Member since:Feb 2007	I just feel like, if that's a viable reason, i'll go with it... Otherwise it could just be warner trying to get out of a massive recall/make avaiable some replacement discs...

05-03-2007, 10:54 PM	#63
ADWyatt Active Member Member since:Jan 2007	I don't know if I'm just adding fuel to the fire, but yes, my copy also shows flickering in spots. Other than that, the transfer is simply amazing. It kind of makes you wonder how good a Hollywood movie will be when produced from a digital source.

05-04-2007, 10:14 PM	#65
jeremy_williams Member Member since:Apr 2007 Location:San Francisco Bay Area Blu-ray reviews:1	I just got my copy and it also has this problem. I thought this disc was supposed to be narrated by Sigourney Weaver? Why do I have some dude narrating to me?

05-04-2007, 11:19 PM	#68
jeremy_williams Member Member since:Apr 2007 Location:San Francisco Bay Area Blu-ray reviews:1	That really sucks. I wanted the one with Sigourney. Did anyone find out what we are supposed to do if we got the screwed up discs?

05-05-2007, 05:36 PM	#70
BTBuck1 Blu-ray Samurai Member since:Jun 2006 Location:Oceanside, CA. Blu-ray collection:507 DVD collection:1	my copy has the pulsing/white speckling on dark scenes (usually overhead shots) as well. I gotta be honest, as interesting as this collection is, I am pretty dissapointed with it because of these and other issues with the filmography. I feel a little burned on this purchase. Bracke gave this a 5 star...did he even watch it? It's a 3 1/2 to me, some scenes are great...many are distracting.

05-06-2007, 06:03 PM	#71
Burk New Member Member since:May 2007	I'm using a Sony BDP-S1 and a 52" Sharp Aquos LCD 1080p TV, and I'm getting this noise you're all describing. My first thought was that it looked like RF interferance, but couldn't really believe that a show with such amazing production values and stunning attention to every detail wouldn't have noticed such a thing during the shoot and dealt with it immediately. Having worked on many TV productions, I know that these issues do pop up occasionally, and it's grounds for a reshoot. Like most of the other complaints I've only noticed the 'on-off lines of white-dot noise' in the dark areas during fly-overs and other sequences that wouldn't have been insanely impossible to reshoot with more effective shielding or radio silence, etc... I don't know if I'm convinced that this is the problem, although it does seem to appear more often in aerial shots. And apparently nobody has noticed this phenomenon during the show's HD broadcast? As for the Attenborough/Weaver question, I'll bet they did the Weaver VO for US audiences mainly to address the meters/feet & kilometers/miles issues in the narration.

05-08-2007, 08:25 PM	#74
Ascended_Saiyan Blu-ray Samurai Member since:Sep 2006 Location:Atlanta, Georgia Blu-ray collection:608 Trading Score:1	I just saw Planet Earth in Fry's Electronics for $69.99.

05-09-2007, 03:00 AM	#75
thebluemax Expert Member Member since:Mar 2007 Blu-ray reviews: 1	I just received a reply from BBC stating that the BLU-RAY discs of PE are not defective! Some of the scenes were shot in 16MM, therefore some of the so called problems stem from of the source material i.e. flickering, speckling in dark scenes. I have no complaints, I think PE is magnificent.

05-10-2007, 12:02 AM	#77
DrinkMore Banned Member since:Apr 2007 Location:That's What She Said! Blu-ray collection:140 Blu-ray reviews:7 Trading Score:3	You all might want to read the back of your PE package. The first line under the Dolby Digital, BBC logos. Might explain some of the problems. Just a guess tho.

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