Physical & Digital EST: The Future of Home Video Discussion Thread

[Groot]

Originally Posted by Dynamo of Eternia

I removed the word guy after seeing your other post in which you stated you are not a guy. So I changed that for accuracy.

The emoji was in response the tone of your statement. That still applied regardless of your gender, therefore I didn't change it.

In other words, I treated you the same regardless of your gender. How exactly is that sexist?

I said it wasn't sexist at all. I appreciated you respecting the masculine side of my statements.

[Groot]

Originally Posted by PenguinInfinity

Unfortunately as the law currently exists the copyright owner doesn't have to make anything available. They only have to renew the copyright.

Additionally copyright frequently applies to characters rather than individual works. There are tons of old Mickey Mouse cartoons that are no longer available but since Disney is still actively using the Mickey Mouse character no one can legally share any of those abandoned Mickey Mouse cartoons.

Well, that's because of the continued usage as you state and lobbying to extend copyright.

A lot of older, obscure films that were part of closed studios or had their licenses fall off you can freely revive. Games are a big focal point of the exemptions right now, not sure how that's going to play out as they are based on continued properties (like Star Wars) but it'll be known in a few months.

Copyright will expire, new works let you hold onto a character but prior to certain dates it doesn't matter. Disney has a copyright on their version of Snow White, but I can freely go make my own Snow White as it's based on a public domain work. I just cannot infringe on their version for 98 years.

Trademarks drop every 7 years, those you renew and have to show in commerce use.

[Dynamo of Eternia]

Originally Posted by Groot

I said it wasn't sexist at all. I appreciated you respecting the masculine side of my statements.

Sorry, I mistook the "Not sexist at all" comment as sarcasm.

[Vilya]

Originally Posted by flyry

It's taking me forever to catch up.

It's gone up 6 or 7 pages in the past day

This thread had stagnated after being renamed and reclassified. It has been very active the last two days, though, and I am glad to see it revived.

[Vilya]

Looks like we have a newly related thread appear:

https://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread...2#post14985102

Some of you digital adherents should get over there and reassure this OP.

[Vilya]

Originally Posted by PenguinInfinity

Too late.

You're one fast Penguin!

[bruceames]

Someone above (can't remember who) made what I thought a very good point about providers maintaining movies on servers that they no longer sell. I suppose they could go up for sale at some point in the future. Or there could be other providers with free access to those movies (for sale and for existing owners). But I would feel a lot more comfortable owning an OOP disc then owning the digital rights to a digital movie that's no longer available for purchase.

And over time, as more movies come out and there are more and more movies to maintain on servers, it makes you wonder how secure your access will be to them in the long run, especially without having to pay for any access fees.

[Vilya]

I asked bruceames in the Home Video Sales thread how disc and digital (electronic) sell thru did for the 1st quarter of 2018 and his reply was:

"Blu-ray finished Q1 up 5.2% and disc was down 8.7%. We won't know EST until the DEG releases its Q1 report in a few weeks (usually in early May)."

I assume that the blu-ray results include 4K UHD sales in those numbers?

Thanks for the quick reply, Bruce!

https://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread...8#post14986448

[The_Donster]

Originally Posted by flyry

It's taking me forever to catch up.

It's gone up 6 or 7 pages in the past day , and many of those include Dynamo's wall of texts bigger than the one the Night's Watch guards in Game of Thrones.

It's gotten worse since the subforum change

I'd say it has definitely gotten a little stale since the move-merge. We've lost our muchness

Originally Posted by Dynamo of Eternia

Sorry, I mistook the "Not sexist at all" comment as sarcasm.

Eh, you're both alright in my book

[bruceames]

Originally Posted by Vilya

I asked bruceames in the Home Video Sales thread how disc and digital (electronic) sell thru did for the 1st quarter of 2018 and his reply was:

"Blu-ray finished Q1 up 5.2% and disc was down 8.7%. We won't know EST until the DEG releases its Q1 report in a few weeks (usually in early May)."

I assume that the blu-ray results include 4K UHD sales in those numbers?

Thanks for the quick reply, Bruce!

https://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread...8#post14986448

Yes UHD is included in the Blu-ray numbers. Last year UHD was 3.1% of disc sales and 8.4% of Blu-ray sales. But the weekly pie chart still has Blu-ray and UHD together.

[alchav21]

Originally Posted by alchav21

You Disc guys are grasping at straws now, the Studios just want to sell Movies they don't want to take anything away. You can play Old Discs on Old Players on your Old HDTV, but I doubt you'll be able to or want to connect it up to your 16K or 32K TV! Also Old Classic Movies keep upgrading to the new format, and if you're like most you'll want to watch them in the latest format.

Originally Posted by veritas

Nobody will be able to tell the difference between a 4k and 16k television till its like 300 inches. You also cant get above 4k worth of data off most film prints and digitally the compression would kill any possible gains anyway. Unless your not planning on watching any films made before like 2040 ever again physical will still be the highest quality format in the land (unless they make worthless upscales like they often do with 4k).

Well most Movies are shot with 4K Digital Cameras now, except for some like Quentin Tarantino. So when they go to higher resolutions the cameras will change. All this will be stored on Studio Servers, and distributed to Cinema and Home Theater Providers at the same resolution. It seems to me the compression will come in when they put these Movies on Disc, Storage Device, or Downloads.

[Vilya]

Originally Posted by alchav21

Well most Movies are shot with 4K Digital Cameras now, except for some like Quentin Tarantino. So when they go to higher resolutions the cameras will change. All this will be stored on Studio Servers, and distributed to Cinema and Home Theater Providers at the same resolution. It seems to me the compression will come in when they put these Movies on Disc, Storage Device, or Downloads.

Must you keep quoting yourself? Reading your post once is plenty.

[Dynamo of Eternia]

Originally Posted by Vilya

Must you keep quoting yourself? Reading your post once is plenty.

It is very bizarre, to say the least.

[Steedeel]

Give the guy a break folks.

[Dynamo of Eternia]

Originally Posted by Steedeel

Give the guy a break folks.

No.

[alchav21]

Originally Posted by Steedeel

Give the guy a break folks.

Thanks Steedeel, you're the only one that kind of understands me. I only quote myself because I find it easier to follow. You don't have to go back to find out what someone was talking about.

[Vilya]

Originally Posted by alchav21

Thanks Steedeel, you're the only one that kind of understands me. I only quote myself because I find it easier to follow. You don't have to go back to find out what someone was talking about.

"If you tell the truth, you don't have to remember anything" -Mark Twain

There should be no need to quote yourself as an aid to following what YOU yourself said. You said it, you should know it.

If I thought quoting you made it easier to follow your posts, I would encourage it.

No one else quotes themselves because they are well aware of what they said and they don't have any whopper tales to keep track of.

[Dynamo of Eternia]

Originally Posted by Vilya

"If you tell the truth, you don't have to remember anything" -Mark Twain

There should be no need to quote yourself as an aid to following what YOU yourself said. You said it, you should know it.

If I thought quoting you made it easier to follow your posts, I would encourage it.

No one else quotes themselves because they are well aware of what they said and they don't have any whopper tales to keep track of.

Not to mention that when he is replying to someone else's post (which was in reply to an earlier post of his), their post that he is replying to likely already has his prior one quoted. So he should be able to read that, knowing the context, before further replying. It makes NO sense that including the quote of his prior post in his new one is needed to keep track of the context of the conversation.

Plus when quoting someone's post, a little blue box with a white arrow appears next to their name. When clicking on that box, it takes you directly to their actual previous post, and you can see any quotes that they were replying to if for some reason you need to refresh yourself.

By his logic, anytime there is an ongoing back and forth, he should quote all replies that he and the other party previous made in the exchange in each and every future reply of his until that specific conversation stops.

[stonesfan129]

Digital is more convenient. Disc is higher quality. /t

Time to lock the thread.

[alchav21]

Originally Posted by stonesfan129

Digital is more convenient. Disc is higher quality. /t

Time to lock the thread.

Haven't you seen the history of this Thread, Quality is all about Bitrate and Bandwidth. With enough Bandwidth you can equal Disc Quality. For Blu-ray all you need is 40Mbps and for 4K UHD it's 128Mbps. Blu-ray average is around 20Mbps, and the highs are around 70Mbps for 4K UHD. This also includes the Sound which is in the Codec like on Disc. Combine that with the new Codec H.265 with Adaptive Streaming, and you have a lot more than convenience in Digital HD.