81:19 Nielsen/VideoScan Weekly Sales Numbers

[bluflu]

Originally Posted by grip24

The reason 300 did those numbers for hd-dvd is because almost all the disc where return because they crap out in chapter 14 it seems....so they maybe couting 2 or 3 disc per hd-dvd ownner....I read some of the guys over avs forum are returning them and getting refunds so that shouldnt count...What do you think.....

That's no defect, that's part of HD DVD's extra online content. I've heard they have to pay extra to view past chapter 14 on the HD DVD version of 300.

[jtconnolly]

That's crazy, After paying 34.99 for a HD-Dud you have to pay more to look at content?

[grip24]

Originally Posted by jtconnolly

That's crazy, After paying 34.99 for a HD-Dud you have to pay more to look at content?

THIS IS MADNESS!!!

[jtconnolly]

Originally Posted by bluflu

That's no defect, that's part of HD DVD's extra online content. I've heard they have to pay extra to view past chapter 14 on the HD DVD version of 300.

They have to make their money some how? HD-Dud Scrubs

[Alex Pallas]

these numbers suck. what's next week's new release line up like?

[BillCable]

Originally Posted by grip24

THIS IS MADNESS!!!

Wait for it....






Wait for it...






THIS... IS... SPARTA!!!

[Aaron]

Originally Posted by BillCable

Wait for it....






Wait for it...






THIS... IS... SPARTA!!!

Damn!!!! You beat me to it.

[LeoneFan]

This is garbage, it just shows the BDA doesn't know WTF they are doing. They are going to allow this war to drag on and let HDDUD right back into the game. This gives all those brainless morons who invested in HDDUD a new found hope. Good job BDA, you are dropping the ball left and right. This is unbelievable and just plain disappointing. I'm stopping all my Blu-ray purchases for the near future cause it doesn't look like there is an end in sight. I'm not willing to waste any more money on this format while the BDA with all it's resources allows a shite format with only 2 major supporters catch up to them. This is inexcusable, the BDA has been dicking around since the beginning and I'm just tired of it. I'm done for now.

[Deciazulado]

Originally Posted by dialog_gvf

Hot Fuzz must be the cause of the drop to 62:38.

The top 10 in real numbers (assuming 250K 300 sold)

1. 300 - Blu-ray - 164,107
2. 300 - HD DVD - 85,893
3. Hot Fuzz - HD DVD - 15,869
4. Shooter - Blu-ray - 8,287
5. Shooter - HD DVD - 4,841
6. The Bourne Identity - HD DVD - 3,971
7. Planet Earth - Blu-ray - 3,232
8. Shaun of the Dead - HD DVD - 3,035
9. Imax: Blue Planet - Blu-ray - 2,445
10. Casino Royale - Blu-ray - 2,412

After reading that and calculating the numbers for POTC and Apocalypto from the lists:

1. 300 - 164,107
2. 300 - 85,893
3. Hot Fuzz - 15,869
4. Shooter - 8,287
5. Shooter - 4,841
6. The Bourne Identity - 3,971
7. Planet Earth - 3,232
8. Shaun of the Dead - 3,035
9. Imax: Blue Planet - 2,445
10. Casino Royale - 2,412
?- POTC: DMC - 2,325
?- Apocalypto - 2,200
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185,008 vs 113,609

I found it odd that the numbers for the titles on the lists gave the exact same ratio as the weekly ratio:

185,008 vs 113,609 =

62:38

Is this the way they calculate the weekly ratio (using the top lists titles only instead of adding all the numbers of all the titles sold that week), or did all of the discs from all the titles NOT on the top lists (more than 500 at least) sold on this week sold in the same exact same ratio (62:38)?

[GaS]

Originally Posted by LeoneFan

This is garbage, it just shows the BDA doesn't know WTF they are doing. They are going to allow this war to drag on and let HDDUD right back into the game. This gives all those brainless morons who invested in HDDUD a new found hope. Good job BDA, you are dropping the ball left and right. This is unbelievable and just plain disappointing. I'm stopping all my Blu-ray purchases for the near future cause it doesn't look like there is an end in sight. I'm not willing to waste any more money on this format while the BDA with all it's resources allows a shite format with only 2 major supporters catch up to them. This is inexcusable, the BDA has been dicking around since the beginning and I'm just tired of it. I'm done for now.

???

[dialog_gvf]

Originally Posted by LeoneFan

This is garbage, it just shows the BDA doesn't know WTF they are doing. They are going to allow this war to drag on and let HDDUD right back into the game. This gives all those brainless morons who invested in HDDUD a new found hope. Good job BDA, you are dropping the ball left and right. This is unbelievable and just plain disappointing. I'm stopping all my Blu-ray purchases for the near future cause it doesn't look like there is an end in sight. I'm not willing to waste any more money on this format while the BDA with all it's resources allows a shite format with only 2 major supporters catch up to them. This is inexcusable, the BDA has been dicking around since the beginning and I'm just tired of it. I'm done for now.

What, 2/3 of the sales of the biggest title in the history of HD discs isn't good enough for Blu-ray to impress?

[dialog_gvf]

Originally Posted by Deciazulado

I found it odd that the numbers for the titles on the lists gave the exact same ratio as the weekly ratio:

185,008 vs 113,609 =

62:38

Is this the way they calculate the weekly ratio (using the top lists titles only instead of adding all the numbers of all the titles sold that week), or did all of the discs from all the titles NOT on the top lists (more than 500 at least) sold on this week sold in the same exact same ratio (62:38)?

If they do it that way obviously it is efficient. But, that would undercount the BD release superiority AND the trend to catch up due to new PS/3 owners.

Isn't Grubert the one with a contact? Perhaps he can find out the methodology.

[Rob Zuber]

Originally Posted by Deciazulado

1. 300 - 164,107
2. 300 - 85,893
3. Hot Fuzz - 15,869
4. Shooter - 8,287
5. Shooter - 4,841
6. The Bourne Identity - 3,971
7. Planet Earth - 3,232
8. Shaun of the Dead - 3,035
9. Imax: Blue Planet - 2,445
10. Casino Royale - 2,412

Is this the way they calculate the weekly ratio...

The sales for the tenth placed disc is less than 1% of the top two combined. I think the volumes for the remainder of the movies were not high enough to move the overall numbers.

[daman]

On an unrelated note, anyone knows what script they use for the page where you can flip through the pages, etc ?

I'm building some book site and it would be cool to let the viewer flip through some pages of the book.

thanks

[richteer]

Originally Posted by daman

On an unrelated note, anyone knows what script they use for the page where you can flip through the pages, etc ?

I'm not sure, but it's probably Flash.

[Deciazulado]

Originally Posted by Rob Zuber

The sales for the tenth placed disc is less than 1% of the top two combined. I think the volumes for the remainder of the movies were not high enough to move the overall numbers.

Yes you're correct that the tenth disc is a small % and the rest below, each are a smaller % and that's why they might not be a difference. But since there are more than 300 BD titles, even if each added a small fraction they could vary the great total (for example sales 1/100 of 1% x 300 = 3%) and move the total one way or another. So I would like to know if they're being counted or not. Specially as we know that HD DVD titles have bigger initial sales the first weeks but then fall off and become less that BD titles which keep a steadier pace. So if those areren't being counted the numbers might be different (even if it's a small % change). I just want to know for sure if they're being counted or not which might explain or not certain trends on the numbers .

[darinp2]

I posted this on the avsforum, but figured I would put it here. I think we are seeing a problem for HD DVD going forward, despite the 62/38 overall number:

Originally Posted by darinp2

plazman's position has been that the important factor is common titles (not overall). I thought it would be interesting to look at the ones I could find data for that were released the same day. I tried to go back and grab titles since the Blockbuster announcement, but unfortunately we didn't get a breakdown for the week that Black Snake Moan came out. The second week for it was 1.56:1 for Blu-ray though. The rest of these are for the first week they came out and are what I calculated and all of them are in favor of Blu-ray:

7/24: The Host       2.36:1
7/31: 300            1.91:1
7/31: Shooter        1.71:1
7/31: Blue Planet    2.03:1

The first thing that jumps out at me is that multiple people have claimed that one reason the ratio was so high for 300 for Blu-ray is because it appeals to the gamer crowd. Yet the ratio was even better for Blue Planet for Blu-ray according to the numbers. And even more for The Host. Is there are reason that a South Korean film kind of in the Jaws genre would appeal to PS3 owners or Blu-ray owners in general much more than HD DVD owners (at an even higher rate than the others)? Yes, I know that Blu-ray sells more of the majority of common titles, but for those who think that HD DVD owners go for quality more, I'm wondering what reason they would give for those ratios for The Host and Blue Planet.

The best showing I see there for HD DVD for common titles since Blockbuster did their 2nd phase rollout with Blu-ray was 1.71:1 and that was a title where they had the same MSRP, but the HD DVD had MPEG-4 while the Blu-ray had MPEG-2 and the HD DVD got 1.5Mbps DD+ while the Blu-ray version only got 640k DD. From what I've read it sounds like in the future Paramount will not be leaning toward favoring HD DVD with their audio like they have been.

EDIT: I found that the audio was better on the Blu-ray version of The Host, so maybe that helps explain it a little bit. Shooter is probably lower than the average partially because it was favored and The Host higher partially because it was favored.

It will be interesting to see how the ratios for common titles go from here. I think both the overall and the ratios for common titles matter, as I've mentioned before.

Basically, it looks to me like for common titles sales are starting to skew even more in Blu-ray's favor than before.

--Darin

[darinp2]

Originally Posted by Deciazulado

Is this the way they calculate the weekly ratio (using the top lists titles only instead of adding all the numbers of all the titles sold that week), ..

They couldn't do it that way or Blu-ray would have won even bigger in some of the weeks where they really dominated the top 10. As was pointed out, the top 10 this week really dominated the overall sales, probably much more than other weeks.

--Darin

[Rob Zuber]

Originally Posted by daman

On an unrelated note, anyone knows what script they use for the page where you can flip through the pages, etc ?

I'm building some book site and it would be cool to let the viewer flip through some pages of the book.

thanks

The underlying technology is Adobe's Flash. The company that wrote this particular application is here: http://www.nxtbookmedia.com/

[dialog_gvf]

Originally Posted by darinp2

Basically, it looks to me like for common titles sales are starting to skew even more in Blu-ray's favor than before.

And, let us not forget there are 20 or so Warner "common" titles that should now be consider BD exclusives for future release (assuming they aren't Total HD abominations)

We hear Batman Begins definitely this year. Maybe V. Maybe The Matrix. Add those into the mix of BD exclusives.

Just to make a point of needing to support such titles, I would hope EVERYONE goes out and buys a copy of Casablanca when Warner offers it. And goes out and orders 20 Million Miles to Earth right now.

It's elistist BS coming from the HD DVD crowd, trying to make up some air of HD DVD owners being particularly discerning enthusiasts. What a load. This is a group that constantly talks about one thing: The price of stuff.

The price of the players (yay!)
The price of the combos (boo!)
BD players are too expensive.
Look how expensive Fox titles are.

And what are they crying for? ET, Jurassic Park, and Back to the Future. While Casablanca and Forbidden Planet are disasters in sales.