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Old 03-15-2010, 04:23 AM   #81
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FX’s Original Series Justified Already a Lock To Be Renewed


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FX’s original drama Justified (formerly known as Lawman) premieres this Tuesday at 10pm. Based on a popular character, Ralylan Givens, from an Elmore Leonardshort story, the show focuses on U.S. Marshal in Kentucky payed by Timothy Olyphant.

I didn’t see a screener, so I can’t give this the rave review that many are giving it. But it doesn’t matter. Regardless, I’ll predict now, before the show even airs its premiere, and before I’ve seen it or the ratings that there is absolutely no chance that it won’t be renewed.

FX doesn’t have that many one hour scripted dramas. It has my favorite show, Sons of Anarchy, and that’s coming back. There’s Damages which is probably not coming back unless an Emmy or two really do turn ratings lemons into lemonade. Nip Tuck is already finished and FX has already announced Rescue Me will end in 2011.

My guess is what they will hope for with Justified is that it at least does something similar to Sons of Anarchy, where it gets decent numbers in its first year. In its first year Sons of Anarchy averaged a 1.1 rating with adults 18-49 (1.46 million 18-49 viewers), in its second year it averaged a 1.9 rating with adults 18-49 (2.56 million 18-49 viewers). Those kind of numbers will get you canceled on the broadcast networks, but on cable, that’s a monster hit.

What if it averages a Damages-esque, .2 rating with only around a measly 260,000 adults 18-49 watching? Honestly, I don’t think there’s any chance that happens. If it does, my guess is John Landgraf will fire one or more people and still renew the show anyway!
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Elmore Leonard talks 'Justified,' 'Get Shorty' and a lot of bad adaptations: Sepinwall on TV


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Elmore Leonard insists he doesn’t get offended when Hollywood screws up the adaptation of one of his books.

"I don’t take ‘em too seriously," says the legendary author of crime novels and Westerns like "Out of Sight," "Get Shorty" and "3:10 to Yuma." "I think you get too many people working on a movie. They all throw in their ideas, and then if you’re important enough, they’re going to use your idea. There’s nothing you can do about that."

But if you start asking the 84-year-old Leonard, whose U.S. Marshal character Raylan Givens is at the center of FX’s exciting new crime series "Justified," what he thought of specific adaptations (more than two dozen of his novels and short stories have been made into movies or TV shows), you can see that his memory is very long, as are the durations of his grudges.

Take, for instance, the 1997 TV-movie adaptation of "Pronto," one of several Leonard books to feature Givens, played there by James LeGros.

"Oh," he says, responding to the sound of LeGros’ name as if he just ate a bad melon. "Ohhhh. James LeGros, is he still acting?"

He is, I tell him (on NBC’s "Mercy"). Leonard does not look pleased to hear this, though the only specific complaint he’ll make about "Pronto" and LeGros is, "They got the wrong hat for him."

We talk about director Barry Sonnenfeld’s 1995 version of "Get Shorty," the first truly successful (in both creative and commercial terms) Leonard adaptation after a long fallow period. The conversation quickly turns to how the creative team on the sequel, "Be Cool," got wrong so much of what Sonnenfeld and writer Scott Frank got right.

"I told Barry Sonnenfeld, ‘When somebody delivers a funny line, don’t cut to someone else laughing or nudging or grinning, because they’re all serious,’" he recalls. "And he knew that. But then when they shot the sequel, they forgot all about that, and everybody’s laughing all the way through. There’s a guy named Cedric the Entertainer (in the cast). Well, I can’t have a guy named Cedric the Entertainer in one of my stories!"

"Justified," adapted by Graham Yost ("Boomtown") and starring Timothy Olyphant ("Deadwood"), so far has the Leonard seal of approval.

"I think it’s great," Leonard says, in the same succinct manner of speaking that he gives to most of his characters.

Though even with this version, he’s not entirely in love with the hat — a large, crisp Stetson that sets Givens apart from the modern-day Marshals he works alongside.

"I think he ought to just chuck it," Leonard says. "What’s he need it for? He’s not in the West; he’s from Kentucky. I think it’s got out of hand. It’s not the hat that he wears in the book — which is the small, little businessman’s Stetson, but well-worn, and crushed and disfigured."

Yost acknowledges that he and Leonard had a difference of opinion on the hat — "We got very specific photographs, about, ‘This is the hat,’" he says, "but you have to find a hat that fits Tim." — but overall found that the wisest way to do an Elmore Leonard adaptation is to follow a mantra that he eventually had made into a bracelet he gave to all of his writers: "WWED," or "What Would Elmore Do?"

"In terms of adapting (him), I’d always felt that the best jobs had been done by Scott Frank in ‘Get Shorty’ and ‘Out of Sight,’" he says, "and I always felt that one reason his work was so strong in adapting Elmore was that it seemed to me he used a lot of Elmore’s dialogue in the scripts. And there were points when I was writing the pilot where, literally, I would be thinking, ‘What’s Raylan going to say next?’ And I would go, ‘Well, what does Elmore have him saying next? And let’s try that, because that will be good.’"

The pilot episode is adapted from Leonard’s short story "Fire in the Hole" (from the collection "When the Women Come Out to Dance"). Later episodes didn’t have specific Leonard dialogue to borrow, so Yost has tried to capture the lean, tense and funny spirit of Leonard’s books even without the specific language — an approach he feels too many of the previous Leonard adapters ignored.

"The problem with anything is when people think they can improve upon it," he says. "I think that’s pretty dangerous with Elmore. He’s pretty great as it is. You get Peter Jackson to do ‘Lord of the Rings’ because he loves ‘Lord of the Rings.’ You get someone to do Elmore Leonard because they love Elmore Leonard, not because they want to make a cop movie."

Though Leonard was pleased with the earliest movie adaptations of his Western stories, like 1957’s "The Tall T" and the original "3:10 to Yuma" (he calls the recent Russell Crowe remake "overdone"), there was a long period from the late ‘60s through "Get Shorty" where one director after another struggled to get it right — even when Leonard wrote the screenplays himself.

"I never got the opportunity, when I was writing screenplays, to work with a good director, so he and I could steer it to exactly where we wanted it," he says. "So I decided in 1993 that ‘I’m not writing anymore screenplays.’ That was just a lot of work."

One of those directors was Burt Reynolds, who was coming to the end of his run as the world’s biggest movie star when he directed and acted in a 1985 version of Leonard’s "Stick," where Leonard feels Reynolds’ vanity got in the way of the movie.

"Burt said, ‘Do you think I should leave my rug off for this picture?’" he remembers. "I said, ‘Yeah, you don’t need your rug.’ But he was talking about his little rug - that he would leave on his little one."

Then came the mid-late ‘90s trifecta of "Get Shorty," Quentin Tarantino’s "Jackie Brown" (based on Leonard’s "Rum Punch") and Steven Soderbergh’s "Out of Sight." "Get Shorty" was the only one to be a big hit at the time, but all three proved that it was possible to capture the spirit of the books even if certain big changes were made. "Jackie Brown" — which Leonard cited as the movie that most closely evokes his writing — changed the main character’s race, while "Out of Sight" bank robber Jack Foley went from looking like Harry Dean Stanton in the book to George Clooney in the movie. (Leonard liked the casting choice so much that Foley became much younger and handsomer in the sequel "Road Dogs," as part of Leonard’s so-far-unsuccessful attempt to get Clooney to play the character again.)

Not every adaptation in the years since has worked. Sonnenfeld himself produced a short-lived TV version of "Maximum Bob" that Leonard hated ("I asked, ‘What are you gonna call it? Hee-Haw: The Movie?’"), and Leonard felt "Karen Sisco" (a TV spin-off of "Out of Sight" with Carla Gugino the Jennifer Lopez role) failed because the writers couldn’t settle on one take on the character.

And, as always, some adaptations just never got made. In the ‘80s, Dustin Hoffman wanted to do "LaBrava," but the experience infamously became such a headache that Leonard turned it into fodder for "Get Shorty." More recently, he says the Coen brothers wrote a few drafts of a screenplay based on "Cuba Libre," "but they didn’t quite get it. They weren’t with it as far as Westerns were concerned."

So far, Leonard is on board with "Justified," but if it ultimately doesn’t work, he’ll shrug and move on.

"I’ve always felt that it’s up in the air," he says. "What they do to it might be good or bad. They might make it better, they might not. So it’s up to them. It becomes something else."

"Justified" (Tomorrow at 10 p.m. on FX) A U.S. Marshal (Timothy Olyphant) is reassigned to an office near his hometown in a new drama series.
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Looking forward to the premiere tonight! I had no idea this was based off an Elmore Leonard character, so I'm more excited for this show now. I was already sold on the cast of Timothy Olyphant and Walton Goggins (Shane from The Shield), and hoping there's some good stuff in store for us tonight.
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Looking forward to the premiere tonight! I had no idea this was based off an Elmore Leonard character, so I'm more excited for this show now. I was already sold on the cast of Timothy Olyphant and Walton Goggins (Shane from The Shield), and hoping there's some good stuff in store for us tonight.
I have been waiting nearly a year for tonight, I am very excited. I believe that Walton is only signed on for 3 or 4 episodes this season, but I'm sure they'll be memorable ones.
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I have been waiting nearly a year for tonight, I am very excited. I believe that Walton is only signed on for 3 or 4 episodes this season, but I'm sure they'll be memorable ones.
Yeah, I found that out after my post and did a bit more research into the series and found out he's not an actual cast member. It does sound like they should be memorable though based on the role.
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Watching the series premiere right now.
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Great first 14 minutes.
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Have this set to record, with all the great reviews pouring I decided to give it a shot...will look at it as soon has I can.
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I'm loving it so far.
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Same. I like how little commercials there are for this one. I'm going to be tuning in for as long as the series airs.
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Well it's over. They said they're going to show some previews for upcoming episodes, but I think that's all that's left. I really liked it and will be watching next week for sure.
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I liked it as well and will be tuning in the rest of the way.
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Great premiere, didn't disappoint. I'm definitely in for the long haul. Anybody else laugh during the preview showing what's coming up on the show, when you heard W. Earl Brown's voice and than saw him for a split second in prison orange jump suit? Wonder if we can expect anymore Deadwood patrons to pop up? In case you're not sure of who W. Earl Brown was on Deadwood, that would be Dan, the barkeep and henchmen for Al Swearengen.

Anybody else notice Jacob Pitts who is also currently playing Hoosier in The Pacific? I always laugh when I see him though cause to me, first image in my mind of him was from Eurotrip jumping in the hot tub with the topless girl saying "this isn't where i parked my car," and that's what I know him best from still. So who knows maybe between his work here and on the Pacific I might be able to take him as a serious actor now.

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Great premiere, didn't disappoint. I'm definitely in for the long haul. Anybody else laugh during the preview showing what's coming up on the show, when you heard W. Earl Brown's voice and than saw him for a split second in prison orange jump suit? Wonder if we can expect anymore Deadwood patrons to pop up? In case you're not sure of who W. Earl Brown was on Deadwood, that would be Dan, the barkeep and henchmen for Al Swearengen.
Same, I just hope this is a long show and doesn't get southlanded and is ended before it even starts... I hate watching shows right away because usually the ones I like get canned

Hope everyone checks this show out!
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Same, I just hope this is a long show and doesn't get southlanded and is ended before it even starts... I hate watching shows right away because usually the ones I like get canned

Hope everyone checks this show out!
Oh no, it's on FX so there is like a 5% chance of premature cancellation lol. For christ sakes, they renewed Archer, so no way would they let this go. FX is the best network on cable for quality as well as giving shows plenty of time to grow. As I've discussed a few other times earlier in this thread, Sons of Anarchy is the biggest show FX has ever had breaking records in ratings for the company and it's 15 year history. Nip/Tuck just ended, no matter how many chances they give Damages it just never delivers in the ratings, and it's unlikely to return after 3 seasons of very mediocre ratings, Rescue Me has I believe only this upcoming season left. So FX is looking for shows to help the network grow, and if they could have Justified fill the void while Sons of Anarchy is off the air until fall, you can bet your ass they are gonna make this work.
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Oh no, it's on FX so there is like a 5% chance of premature cancellation lol. For christ sakes, they renewed Archer, so no way would they let this go. FX is the best network on cable for quality as well as giving shows plenty of time to grow. As I've discussed a few other times earlier in this thread, Sons of Anarchy is the biggest show FX has ever had breaking records in ratings for the company and it's 15 year history. Nip/Tuck just ended, no matter how many chances they give Damages it just never delivers in the ratings, and it's unlikely to return after 3 seasons of very mediocre ratings, Rescue Me has I believe only this upcoming season left. So FX is looking for shows to help the network grow, and if they could have Justified fill the void while Sons of Anarchy is off the air until fall, you can bet your ass they are gonna make this work.
I guess I wouldn't be to sad if Justified only got 3 but if it could get like 5+ I'd be quite thrilled... Already can't wait for next week

I still haven't seen Sons of Anarchy I was a big fan of The Shield I bought 1-5 and finished that in about a month lol, maybe I'll wait till that gets a little further into its run before I pick that up.

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I guess I wouldn't be to sad if Justified only got 3 but if it could get like 5+ I'd be quite thrilled... Already can't wait for next week

I still haven't seen Sons of Anarchy I was a big fan of The Shield I bought 1-5 and finished that in about a month lol, maybe I'll wait till that gets a little further into its run before I pick that up.
Sons is like rock to a junkie, as soon as it's done you want more. I know Kurt Sutter the man behind a lot of the Shield, who also created Sons has 7 seasons mapped out for the direction of the show, and considering FX loves to have their dramas go 5+ it is a very likely future for both Sons which is entering Season 3, as well as Justified barring any shakeups in programming management.
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Well they cancelled "Lucky" after one season, which was disappointing to me because I thought it was pretty good.



The show was about a compulsive gambler trying to stop gambling while living in Las Vegas.

Had what has to be one of the funniest lines I've heard in awhile. At the VERY beginning of the first episode, Lucky just won the World Series of Poker, and they're interviewing him, and they're like "so what are you going to do with all that money?"

And he just looks at the camera, shrugs and says "Lose it?" lol

Also starred Craig Robinson (East Bound & Down, Zack And Miri, The Office) and Billy Gardell who I think is criminally underused in TV, because the guy's pretty funny.

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It already got renewed? i could see why i watched it twice since last night
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Well they cancelled "Lucky" after one season, which was disappointing to me because I thought it was pretty good.
Seriously Groo, you need to let go of these shows at some point lol. That was like 8 years ago haha. Why is it disappointing to you? If I've only learned about you, it's that you seek out shows with only 13-18 episodes that where canceled early and love them. If it hadn't been canceled you wouldn't still be holding on, lol.

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But FX PR honcho John Solberg tweeted that Justified scored the best FX numbers for a premiere in both total viewers and men 18-49 since the premiere of The Shield in 2002.

Stay tuned…

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