Star Wars Wars the UOT Strikes Back and OTHER PEZ dispensers

[blonde_devil]

Originally Posted by Beast

Exactly. Look at Star Trek: The Motion Picture for example. The director finally got to release a vision more in keeping in what he hoped to release all those years ago. And on DVD, that was the only version of that film that was available. Sadly we got the craptastic theatrical cut of that film on Blu-Ray. Hopefully that will be corrected in time. Since the changes to ST:TMP salvage it from being a rather terrible movie.

I love the original version of TMP. Yeah, it gets boring at times but it looks unreal on bluray and they wanted to do something epic along the lines of 2001. In a case like this, I think it was very short-sighted of Paramount not to do it in HD but that was a choice. But this is a perfect example - we have the original version on bluray and someone dislikes it wanting the altered version instead. Everyone has different taste.

[Beast]

Originally Posted by blonde_devil

I love the original version of TMP. Yeah, it gets boring at times but it looks unreal on bluray and they wanted to do something epic along the lines of 2001. In a case like this, I think it was very short-sighted of Paramount not to do it in HD but that was a choice. But this is a perfect example - we have the original version on bluray and someone dislikes it wanting the altered version instead. Everyone has different taste.

Yep. But I'm happy to make do with my DVD copy if the other version never hits Blu-Ray. No biggie.

[Breather]

Star Trek:TMP Director's Cut is a different situation than Star Wars. They released the theatrical version on BD but the director's cut has been held up because its effects were done in SD. They would have to go back and bring the effects up to HD before releasing it. That's expensive and time-consuming. It's Star Trek so it's only a matter of time before they do it.

On the other hand, the Director's Cut is at least available on DVD, anamorphically enhanced.

So we've got a Blu-ray of the theatrical and an anamorphic version of the DC to hold us over.

[blonde_devil]

Originally Posted by Breather

Star Trek:TMP Director's Cut is a different situation than Star Wars. They released the theatrical version on BD but the director's cut has been held up because its effects were done in SD. They would have to go back and bring the effects up to HD before releasing it. That's expensive and time-consuming. It's Star Trek so it's only a matter of time before they do it.

On the other hand, the Director's Cut is at least available on DVD, anamorphically enhanced.

So we've got a Blu-ray of the theatrical and an anamorphic version of the DC to hold us over.

It is but it isn't - you still have the original versions of Star Wars to watch. True, not bluray quality but you do still have them as an option. And again, there is a third version of TMP that has only been released on tape - not dvd/bluray - so there is that whole "release all versions" arguement that could be made here. I do see your point though(don't want to start a fight over something I agree with you on).

Beast, I totally agree with you. If I feel like watching the Director's cut, I toss my dvd in and enjoy but at the same time I can throw in the bluray and be blown away by the special effects they did back then. Really, it is a win-win. Too bad nothing can be done to save that JJ Abrams pos movie that they released..

[Jay444]

Just getting caught up, but I have to stick with my original argument that Lucas has not disrespected the 'true' fans or otherwise (btw, one liking the PT over the OT or vice versa does not make one a better fan than the next). He has given fans basically everything they have wanted with the exception of the UOT. Video Games, A Park ride, Conventions, Books, a new film series, a TV show, Toys, allowed comedy teams to poke fun at him and a fn lunch box! (or two)

Deleted scenes? He did one better, and put some of them back in the film and updated the special effects. Give the fans something he has always wanted to share while giving them something they have always wanted to see. Regardless, hindsight is twenty twenty. Fans wanted to see the Jabba scene and we got it. Is it a good scene? Hell no, its redundant and should have been left on the cutting room floor. But did fans ask to see it? Yes. Yes we did.

I would LOVE to see the UOT on blu ray but its absence is not Lucas giving me the finger. He keeps making changes to the films to make himself happy and I am pretty sure he has reason to think the fans LIKE it. We all bought the DVDs and saw the re-releases in the theater. Then lined up for the PT. At what point after seeing the continued success of his franchise is Lucas to say: "My fans hate what I do." Lucas is working to give the fans Star Wars in 3D. I don't question he is making a ton of money, but if he didn't care about the fans then Star Wars would ended in 1983.

Anyway, I love ya all.

[KubrickFan]

Originally Posted by Moviefan2k4

Well, anyone could just as easily turn that sentiment on its head, like this, and each one would probably cancel each other out...

"How do the fans respect him, by insisting he gives only what they want? Tell me that."

Not only, I never said only give us what we want. He can do whatever he wants with his movies, even though I absolutely don't see the need to any of the changes to any of the movies he released (by the way, that's every single one of them). But I don't think giving us the original cuts of a trilogy that's pretty well liked all around (understatement) is too much to ask? (again, understatement).

Originally Posted by Beast

It's the right thing to do, from his point of view as the creator and owner. And companies refuse to release popular things all the time. For a variety of reasons. You can't walk into Taco Bell and demand a hamburger, just because it's the most popular form of fast food. The world doesn't work like Burger King, you can't have everything "Your way, Right Away". So again, he respects the fans. But he's not going to sacrifice his vision for them.

But a Taco Bell never served hamburgers, so that's an entirely different argument. I don't want Star Wars to be something different, I want it the way it always was.
And also, any business that doesn't cater to their customers' wishes won't exist for very long. If you go to McDonalds, expect to be able to buy a hamburger, and then be told that they don't sell fast food anymore, that it was the original intent to be a coffee bar, wouldn't you think that's odd? Don't you think that would cost McDonalds millions of customers?

[Breather]

Originally Posted by blonde_devil

It is but it isn't - you still have the original versions of Star Wars to watch. True, not bluray quality but you do still have them as an option. And again, there is a third version of TMP that has only been released on tape - not dvd/bluray - so there is that whole "release all versions" arguement that could be made here. I do see your point though(don't want to start a fight over something I agree with you on).

I see what you're saying and we basically agree on a lot. On the other hand, that 2006 DVD release could have went a long way toward satisfying a lot of people that want the OOT, if it had been anamorphically enhanced. Sure, many, including me, would have always wanted a fully restored, HD version of the OOT. What SW fan and film fan wouldn't? It would have been much easier to live with that SD version being 16:9 instead of some version that looks like garbage when we have to zoom in on it to fit a widescreen TV. I'm an OAR-only kind of guy but even I don't like to watch a postage stamp in the middle of my screen.

I don't know that the Star Trek:TMP argument would be the same. We've got a Blu-ray of the theatrical version and an anamorphic DVD version of the DC(with a BD likely coming). The third version you spoke of is just a TV version. I'm sure there is a tiny minority that want that TV version, although I've really never heard an outcry. For all intents and purposes, we do have all official versions of Star Trek:TMP. I've never been one to count TV versions, but maybe I'm in a minority and don't know it. The outcry for the OOT has been something altogether different. An entire trilogy of arguably the most popular film series of all time, in the theatrical version that made it that way. The versions that won all the awards, accolades, and sucked in the fans for life. Lucas has the right to do what he wants. He owns them. I hope one day that he changes his mind. That's all we can hope for. No amount of arguing online will change anything.

To tell you the truth, I've always tried to stay out of the "release the OOT/forget about it" argument online. Online bickering about it will never bring it onto the market. It's pointless. I try to just stick with what we do have released and talk about that. I think his refusal to restore and release it is ridiculous and a shame. Instead of arguing about it online, however, I've emailed, written, and called LFL and 20th Century Fox and expressed my opinion politely. I'm signed the online petitions and that's all I can do. Other than one review I wrote, this is probably the most I've ever written online concerning this particular angle of Star Wars.

I think people would be better served directing thousands of polite emails, letters, and phone calls toward LFL and 20th Century Fox instead of arguing about it online. I know that there are online petitions and I've signed. However, has anyone ever tried an online campaign trying to organize all the fans that want the OOT and then directed them at a mass email, letter, and phone campaign toward LFL and 20th Century Fox? It might not change a thing but I think it would make a lot more progress than just fighting about it online.

[Moviefan2k4]

Originally Posted by Breather

Lucas has the right to do what he wants. He owns them. I hope one day that he changes his mind. That's all we can hope for. No amount of arguing online will change anything.

Agreed.

Online bickering about it will never bring it onto the market. It's pointless.

Again, agreed.

Instead of arguing about it online, however, I've emailed, written, and called LFL and 20th Century Fox and expressed my opinion politely.

Finally, someone listens to reason!

I've signed the online petitions and that's all I can do.

Well, online petitions don't usually work, because there's no "real-world" method of verifying their accuracy.

I think people would be better served directing thousands of polite emails, letters, and phone calls toward LFL and 20th Century Fox instead of arguing about it online.

Wow; you and I are just 4 for 4 so far; cool, huh?

However, has anyone ever tried an online campaign trying to organize all the fans that want the OOT and then directed them at a mass email, letter, and phone campaign toward LFL and 20th Century Fox? It might not change a thing, but I think it would make a lot more progress than just fighting about it online.

Make it 5 for 5; very sound logic.

[greg_achen]

Oh Jar Jar... lol

Jar Jar for Gecko Insurance

[Duffy12]

Originally Posted by Dotpattern

I guess the vile gangster, Jabba the Hutt should've put her in a sweater.

LOL


The first time I saw promotional pics of her in that slave outfit, it immediately sprang to mind that they were tapping into the Conan Frazetta/Boris angle by having a chained up slave girl in need of rescuing. Just another example that Gary Kurtz was long gone and they were not putting much effort into the story or scrip for the final film. All they wanted to do was tie up loose ends and that was all.

[PeterTHX]

Originally Posted by Duffy12

The first time I saw promotional pics of her in that slave outfit, it immediately sprang to mind that they were tapping into the Conan Frazetta/Boris angle by having a chained up slave girl in need of rescuing. Just another example that Gary Kurtz was long gone and they were not putting much effort into the story or scrip for the final film. All they wanted to do was tie up loose ends and that was all.

The gold bikini is iconic.

Thank the maker Kurtz was gone. Besides, he's been so successful on his own.

[greg_achen]

Originally Posted by PeterTHX

The gold bikini is iconic.

Thank the maker Kurtz was gone. Besides, he's been so successful on his own.

Now now. In all fairness, gold bikini aside, Return of the Jedi is considered the weakest of the OT which may or may not have to do with Kurtz's departure. I don't really have a strong opinion one way or the other on Kurtz's value to the franchise. All I know is the combo of Kurtz, Lucas, and Kershner gave us Empire Strikes Back, so he is okay in my book.

[horizonline]

Originally Posted by PeterTHX

The gold bikini is iconic.

Thank the maker Kurtz was gone. Besides, he's been so successful on his own.

The color gold became iconic.

Dakota Fanning'role in I Am Sam made her the youngest person (in 2002, at age 8) ever to be nominated for a Screen Actors Guild Award, for Fanning's supporting performance.

When Dakota Fanning won the Best Young Actor/Actress award from the Broadcast Film Critics Association for the film, Fanning was too short to reach the microphone; presenter Orlando Bloom held Fanning up for the duration of Fanning' acceptance speech.

dakotafannings.blogspot.com

[Beast]

Originally Posted by Duffy12

LOL


The first time I saw promotional pics of her in that slave outfit, it immediately sprang to mind that they were tapping into the Conan Frazetta/Boris angle by having a chained up slave girl in need of rescuing. Just another example that Gary Kurtz was long gone and they were not putting much effort into the story or scrip for the final film. All they wanted to do was tie up loose ends and that was all.

While it certainly was likely an inspiration, other than needing R2 to cut he chain.... she's entirely capable of taking care of herself.

And I don't think there's any real evidence that there was no effort put into story or script. Since the end result is very good.

[Beast]

Originally Posted by greg_achen

Now now. In all fairness, gold bikini aside, Return of the Jedi is considered the weakest of the OT which may or may not have to do with Kurtz's departure. I don't really have a strong opinion one way or the other on Kurtz's value to the franchise. All I know is the combo of Kurtz, Lucas, and Kershner gave us Empire Strikes Back, so he is okay in my book.

Considered by who? Sounds like you're speaking for everyone there.

It's certainly not as weak as A New Hope. Which for me, is almost a tedious watch anymore.

[Moviefan2k4]

Dakota Fanning's role in "I Am Sam" made her the youngest person (in 2002, at age 8) ever to be nominated for a Screen Actors Guild Award, for Fanning's supporting performance.

When Dakota Fanning won the Best Young Actor/Actress award from the Broadcast Film Critics Association for the film, Fanning was too short to reach the microphone; presenter Orlando Bloom held Fanning up for the duration of Fanning' acceptance speech.

OK, so maybe I'm just stretching on this one, but...


...what does this have to do with "Star Wars"?

[P@t_Mtl]

Originally Posted by Beast

While it certainly was likely an inspiration, other than needing R2 to cut he chain.... she's entirely capable of taking care of herself.

Yes, I think she was Ripley two full years before Ripley came along. Leia is a rather strong role for a young women back in 1976. She can kick butt by herself and does not need Luke or Han holding her hand.

That being said, I never quite and still don't understand the entire fascination with the slave girl outfit. She is not that hot or sexy, well for me anyway. I think a lot of people just have their memories twisted in the last 20 years because of Friends and Jennifer Aniston (another woman I don't find hot or sexy)

[chip75]

Originally Posted by horizonline

The color gold became iconic.

Originally Posted by Moviefan2k4

OK, so maybe I'm just stretching on this one, but...
...what does this have to do with "Star Wars"?

I'm pretty sure the colour gold had been used in dresses and costumes for several hundred years before Princess Leia's slave outfit was welded together. But kudos on you're randomness.

All we needed was a picture of Carrie Fisher in her leopard-skin print undies from The Man With One Red Shoe....

and then for someone to post a picture of a leopard saying leopard skins have become quite popular in the animal kingdom....

And on that Friends thing Ross was always a weirdo....

Beast maybe A New Hope has become tedious because you've watched it 10,000 times, hopefully the Blu-ray will offer such clarity that they'll become new and fresh to us all. That's what I hope anyways.

[greg_achen]

Originally Posted by Beast

Considered by who? Sounds like you're speaking for everyone there.

It's certainly not as weak as A New Hope. Which for me, is almost a tedious watch anymore.

Every poll I have seen in every magazine or website and every review I have read on the three original films indicates my assumption is correct. Of course, not everyone is going to share the same views and some people are going to disagree with it. Wherever there is a majority there is always a minority. That's the great thing about being a human capable of thinking for themselves! Besides, just because the general consensus is one thing doesn't mean it is always correct. I can acknowledge, despite being a fan of the prequels, that public opinion at this point in time is more negative than positive, on the whole. Is that going to diminish my enjoyment of the films? No way! Being willfully ignorant about something isn't going to help one's arguments...

[Dynamo of Eternia]

Originally Posted by Beast

Considered by who? Sounds like you're speaking for everyone there.

It's certainly not as weak as A New Hope. Which for me, is almost a tedious watch anymore.

I wouldn't say that I find ANH "tedious", but I do agree that it is probably the 'slowest paced' Star Wars movie.

But I attribute that largely in part to the time when it was made. The whole 'blockbuster' movie craze really significantly started with the likes of Jaws and Star Wars. But in general, back during that time and before, most movies just seemed to be 'slower paced' overall than after the 'blockbuster' really started to take a foothold.

Heck, if anything, ANH is probably still faster paced than many other movies from around the same time or before, even though it is slower paced than the other movies.

It was also the first movie out of the gate, with many problems in the production process and with Lucas flying by the seat of his pants, so that combined with what the general 'pacing' of movies at the time, I can understand why it is the way that it is.

Originally Posted by greg_achen

Every poll I have seen in every magazine or website and every review I have read on the three original films indicates my assumption is correct. Of course, not everyone is going to share the same views and some people are going to disagree with it. Wherever there is a majority there is always a minority. That's the great thing about being a human capable of thinking for themselves! Besides, just because the general consensus is one thing doesn't mean it is always correct. I can acknowledge, despite being a fan of the prequels, that public opinion at this point in time is more negative than positive, on the whole. Is that going to diminish my enjoyment of the films? No way! Being willfully ignorant about something isn't going to help one's arguments...

Well said. Not everyone is going to feel the same way about everything, but there is often a general majority concenus on many things.

And going back to Beast's "By who?" comment... Beast, by now you should be used to and realize that you are often in the minority in your opinons. This shouldn't be a surprise to you at this point. Yet you often respond in this way shocked when someone makes a point to the contrary.