It! The Terror from Beyond Space (1958) - Olive Films - May 19, 2015

[Hypnosifl]

Originally Posted by AgentOrange

Believe me, I get the collectors market. I get the idea of licensing. I have almost every Twilight Time release, and hundreds of Criterion's as well as other labels. That's almost exclusively what I buy at this point, actually. So it's not like I haven't supported that market plenty. I'm just saying, 60 minute b-movies are different, Olive is different. I don't see what's so unreasonable here.

Why are 60 minute B movies any different than 90 minute B movies or 90 minute low budget comedies (or any other movie without a huge budget)?

Originally Posted by AgentOrange

What's next, should Warner start putting out Looney Tunes shorts on in individual blu-ray discs at $19.99 a pop? At some point, I'm sure everyone has a line.

The reason your Looney Tunes example would cross the line is just that feature films have always been put in a different category than shorts in terms of prices. As far as I can tell has never been any tradition in blu ray pricing where the price of a feature length film scales with its runtime, at least not unless it's so long as to require multiple discs; just look at multiple films of very different lengths by the same director to verify this (for example, Spielberg's "Duel" at 74 minutes costs about 50% more on blu than "Close Encounters of the Third Kind" at 137 minutes). I'd guess that "cult" films often tend to cost more for supply and demand reasons, which mean that this is probably the best way for the distributor to maximize profits; the audience that would want to buy a given cult film at all is relatively small, but of that audience, a higher proportion would be willing to pay a bit more than average (and since 15-dollar blu rays are very common, treating a 5-dollar increase beyond this 'typical' price as analogous to a 30-dollar Twilight Time release--usually closer to 35 with shipping--seems like a pretty bad analogy).

[jc480]

I remember seeing this as a kid great Saturday morning scary movie!

Having read the review by BR.com I am wondering if the reviewer saw a different movie? I mean this film was circa 1950s and was very good in it's time. Sure it doesn't have the million dollar production value that today's hollywood movies but what is lost on the BR.com review is that the film, for it's day, was effective. It was scary and enjoyed by thousands...millions of people on the Saturday matinee circuit of the early 1970s.

First time I've said this but I would completely disregard the BR.com reviewer's opinion of the movie...they are just plain wrong. Focus on the technical aspect and I think you'll find this a nice library addition if you enjoy 1950s B decent scary flicks.

[AgentOrange]

Originally Posted by Hypnosifl

Why are 60 minute B movies any different than 90 minute B movies or 90 minute low budget comedies (or any other movie without a huge budget)?

The reason your Looney Tunes example would cross the line is just that feature films have always been put in a different category than shorts in terms of prices. As far as I can tell has never been any tradition in blu ray pricing where the price of a feature length film scales with its runtime, at least not unless it's so long as to require multiple discs; just look at multiple films of very different lengths by the same director to verify this (for example, Spielberg's "Duel" at 74 minutes costs about 50% more on blu than "Close Encounters of the Third Kind" at 137 minutes). I'd guess that "cult" films often tend to cost more for supply and demand reasons, which mean that this is probably the best way for the distributor to maximize profits; the audience that would want to buy a given cult film at all is relatively small, but of that audience, a higher proportion would be willing to pay a bit more than average (and since 15-dollar blu rays are very common, treating a 5-dollar increase beyond this 'typical' price as analogous to a 30-dollar Twilight Time release--usually closer to 35 with shipping--seems like a pretty bad analogy).

Interesting point. I'm not suggesting a "pricing scale" based on number of minutes, or even budget . While it's probably a bit weird when we have a 3 hour Billion $ epic for the same price of entry as a 90 minute comedy, it is what it is. I've never really analyzed the "value proposition" based on those terms, and I doubt many movie goers do that either. I'm not even saying this release is DRAMATICALLY different in concept from something like Planet of the Vampires (88 min) - which I do own. I just think that it has been part of a double feature in the past for a reason, and the 69 minute length does sort of cross a threshold of "short-ness" for me - where if you are going to release it as a standalone, it better have something else cool as a supplemental feature.

If this were some miraculous restoration, such as the example of A Trip to the Moon - obviously that would change things. But it sounds like this is just a typical bare-bones Olive release...

[Thomas Guycott]

Great film, but while watching it for the first time I realized you could replace the monster on a spaceship with a bear in the basement and it'd be the exact same movie.

[dsman71]

Originally Posted by AgentOrange

I just don't understand why you are defending this like your livelihood depends on it. Believe me, I get the collectors market. I get the idea of licensing. I have almost every Twilight Time release, and hundreds of Criterion's as well as other labels. That's almost exclusively what I buy at this point, actually. So it's not like I haven't supported that market plenty. I'm just saying, 60 minute b-movies are different, Olive is different. I don't see what's so unreasonable here.

What's next, should Warner start putting out Looney Tunes shorts on individual blu-ray discs at $19.99 a pop? At some point, I'm sure everyone has a line. For you maybe the Looney Tunes would be silly, for me the cutoff is at short-ish b-movies being sold individually for $20-$30. It might not be entirely Olive's fault, as the other film from the previous "Midnight Movies" VHS and DVD double feature was apparently licensed to Kino. Yet Olive did go this route with the complete John Wayne Republic catalog, when there was NO excuse for those to be sold individually. So I think this issue is mostly on them...

My livelihood DOES depend on it..
Well actually it doesnt , but your comments about this are well ..
Looney Tunes

Youve made your point for the past page and a half.. you can move on from this now right ? Go watch a movie instead posting your displeasure about short movie prices

[StingingVelvet]

Originally Posted by AgentOrange

Who get's to decide when something gets "niche pricing" instead of the bargain bin pricing it actually deserves?

Generally the less something will sell the higher price it is, to obtain max profit. The idea of a modern, glitzy film with a lot of features being more expensive makes sense on first glance, but really it's the opposite, because that new movie will sell way more than this will.

There are different strategies to boost sales in a niche market. Twilight Time goes the limited edition route, Scream focus on packaging and cult collecting, Kino just pumps out a lot of quick and easy BD upgrades of movies that likely never would get them otherwise and Criterion does their whole "prestigious collection" shtick. In the end the goal is the same: make as much as you can off a small audience.

[Dex Robinson]

Originally Posted by Thomas Guycott

Great film, but while watching it for the first time I realized you could replace the monster on a spaceship with a bear in the basement and it'd be the exact same movie.

Well, if there was a bear in my basement, I'd walk out the front door and go next door to my neighbours house to call animal control. Then I'd have a cup of coffee while I waited for the experts to show up.

The folks in the spaceship have nowhere to go and no way to get help.

Anyway, my copy of this movie is on the way from ImportCDs. Olive discs have gotten CRAZY expensive in Canada. I think Olive no longer has a distributor up here so these things got up for pre-order at about $26.00 and then jump to over $30!

Unfortunately, my ImportCD orders usually take so long that there may actually be men on Mars before it shows up.

[Professor Echo]

Originally Posted by jc480

I remember seeing this as a kid great Saturday morning scary movie!

Having read the review by BR.com I am wondering if the reviewer saw a different movie? I mean this film was circa 1950s and was very good in it's time. Sure it doesn't have the million dollar production value that today's hollywood movies but what is lost on the BR.com review is that the film, for it's day, was effective. It was scary and enjoyed by thousands...millions of people on the Saturday matinee circuit of the early 1970s.

First time I've said this but I would completely disregard the BR.com reviewer's opinion of the movie...they are just plain wrong. Focus on the technical aspect and I think you'll find this a nice library addition if you enjoy 1950s B decent scary flicks.

"Critics" who don't generally enjoy 50's scifi outside of THE DAY THE EARTH STOOD STILL and FORBIDDEN PLANET will never get it. They are to be avoided at all costs.

[noirjunkie]

Originally Posted by Dex Robinson

Anyway, my copy of this movie is on the way from ImportCDs.

You're the first person in at least a year that I've seen buying something from them. They used to be the go-to site for Olive titles, but everyone seems to have moved on the DeepDiscount or DVDPlanet. I'm guessing they have favorable shipping rates to Canada.

[AgentOrange]

Originally Posted by dsman71

My livelihood DOES depend on it..
Well actually it doesnt , but your comments about this are well ..
Looney Tunes

Youve made your point for the past page and a half.. you can move on from this now right ? Go watch a movie instead posting your displeasure about short movie prices

Yet you've been compelled to respond not only to every one of my posts on the matter, but also to Jar Jar's similar complaints. For as baffled as you are to why people would complain, I'm equally baffled by your defense. I said my piece about the lack of double feature, and that could have been it. It really wasn't mean to be a "discussion". It was a complaint. You wanted to make it a discussion.

But I agree it's time for me to leave the discussion for this thread. I will just leave it with this.

[Thomas Guycott]

Did you make that picture? Because that's not how you use that meme.

[AgentOrange]

Originally Posted by Thomas Guycott

Did you make that picture? Because that's not how you use that meme.

Yes I did.

Now I have to go up against the "misuse of meme" police?

[dsman71]

Originally Posted by AgentOrange

Yet you've been compelled to respond not only to every one of my posts on the matter, but also to Jar Jar's similar complaints. For as baffled as you are to why people would complain, I'm equally baffled by your defense. I said my piece about the lack of double feature, and that could have been it. It really wasn't mean to be a "discussion". It was a complaint. You wanted to make it a discussion.

But I agree it's time for me to leave the discussion for this thread. I will just leave it with this.

You kept it going with your rebuttals like you are now.. Im baffled by you wanting to keep it going. You said your *piece* a million times. I bet you couldnt wait to get home to read all the responses to your post on here. Who is really compelled to keep whining about price - you are.
Considering yourself ignored, there is no further need for me to read your dribble because youre too poor to afford blurays

[AgentOrange]

Originally Posted by dsman71

You kept it going with your rebuttals like you are now.. Im baffled by you wanting to keep it going. You said your *piece* a million times. I bet you couldnt wait to get home to read all the responses to your post on here. Who is really compelled to keep whining about price - you are.

LOL. Obviously we are both people that have to get the last word in an argument or something. But of course, I never called you out about it. You've done it twice in a row now...hypocrite much?

Feel free to get the last word. I promise I'm done this time, I'll let you have it. Really. I swear.

[Dex Robinson]

Originally Posted by noirjunkie

You're the first person in at least a year that I've seen buying something from them. They used to be the go-to site for Olive titles, but everyone seems to have moved on the DeepDiscount or DVDPlanet. I'm guessing they have favorable shipping rates to Canada.

I ordered it and a bunch of Kino titles when ImportCds was having their 10% off sale.

The Olive titles (like IT!...) are up for pre-order at $25.61CDN and several Kino titles I want are $28.00CDN. Pretty awful.

With the recent 10% sale and figuring in the exhange, the ImportCDs discs are about $18.50CDN each.

Shipping terms aren't great but, if you order a decent number of discs, it's still way cheaper than buying here.*


*I should say that this ridiculous overpricing in Canada is NOT normal. Sadly, it's affecting the Kino and Olive titles I want. Some titles, like the recent Battlestar Galactica and some OLDER Kino titles are actually cheaper here. But the recent MGM catalogue titles (Man with the Xray Eyes, etc.) are killing me.

[Sinep]

Originally Posted by AgentOrange

LOL. Obviously we are both people that have to get the last word in an argument or something. But of course, I never called you out about it. You've done it twice in a row now...hypocrite much?

Feel free to get the last word. I promise I'm done this time, I'll let you have it. Really. I swear.

Actually you did call dsman71 out by quoting him in a comment directed to Jar Jar back in March - over 2 MONTHS ago. You have not shut up about it since. You provoked it. You brought all of this on yourself. Even if dsman replied again to you, you would certainly rebuttal right back because you cannot help yourself. He will not reply because if you could read, his comment clearly states that he has ignored you and no longer will read your "posts". Here are the real facts : YOU are the one who caused the problem, YOU were the one who was compelled to quote something he said from two months ago and YOU are the one who continues to ruin this thread with your 100% absolutely useless verbiage about how this movie needs a double feature, and how it needs to be 10.00 for you to pay for it. At least dsman adds something to the threads and doesn't complain about prices of films.
Who the heck cares how much you would pay for the blu ray ?!?!?!
You need to go away quite frankly !

[itsaboutHD]

Originally Posted by AgentOrange

Yes I did.

Now I have to go up against the "misuse of meme" police?

It's a tough crowd here

[The Great Owl]

Why is everyone getting their butts in a blender here?

One of the coolest 1950s sci-fi monster movies is finally on Blu-ray courtesy of a studio that produces faithful high definition transfers with all detail intact.

I'm on cloud nine about all of this.

[dsman71]

Unfortunately some members need to troll around and quote comments from 2 months ago to start problems. I am also stoked over this release

[JMK]

Personal attacks need to stop immediately or there will be moderation and suspensions. It is possible to state your opinion without denigrating someone else's. Thank you.