Halloween: The Curse of Michael Myers (1995) (Unrated Producer's Cut)

[StingingVelvet]

Wasn't sure I ever wanted the "thorn trilogy" but if this is $8 for both cuts I'll buy it.

[Energy Crisis]

Originally Posted by steve_dave

Lionsgate usually lets you choose UV or iTunes, sometimes both; so the art says Digital HD generically because of this.

You're probably right. I hope so. I only have a handful of Lionsgate discs but they all say UV along with Digital HD so the omission made me suspicious. But then, given that this isn't out yet, that might not be representative of the final cover anyway.

[A.O.]

Amazon has price-matched Best Buy's Pre-order price.

[TripleHBK]

Originally Posted by A.O.

Amazon has price-matched Best Buy's Pre-order price.

It's still Amazon though... No Thank you. I'll take anything/everything I can get in a Brick & Mortar store thank you very much...

Hey maybe I'll even come home with some impulse movies I didn't realize were out or were on sale. Remember when people did that?

[brettxwt]

Question..why are people who already own the boxset, and have a working disc, buying this release? Unless you didn't get the boxset, you're literally paying for the exact same 2 cuts of the film, the same 2 transfers, and likely none of the extras that were on the Shout! Factory disc..makes no sense to me

[Optimus-Prime-Rox]

Originally Posted by brettxwt

Question..why are people who already own the boxset, and have a working disc, buying this release? Unless you didn't get the boxset, you're literally paying for the exact same 2 cuts of the film, the same 2 transfers, and likely none of the extras that were on the Shout! Factory disc..makes no sense to me

Since this bluray wasn't manufactured by Shout Factory themselves it probably won't have the same looking transfer good or bad as the version that was in the Box Set. Hopefully Lionsgate put more love into this bluray than they did their Echo Bridge re-releases of the Halloween triple feature that was released last year.

[RiFiFi1955]

Originally Posted by StingingVelvet

Wasn't sure I ever wanted the "thorn trilogy" but if this is $8 for both cuts I'll buy it.

It has been awhile since I have watched the layer entries but I thought the "thorn" sorry arch was only at the end of 5 and in part 6, is this incorrect?

[RiFiFi1955]

Originally Posted by Optimus-Prime-Rox

Since this bluray wasn't manufactured by Shout Factory themselves it probably won't have the same looking transfer

I don't know, I am willing to bet this will be the same disc as released in the box set.

[Michael24]

Originally Posted by brettxwt

Question..why are people who already own the boxset, and have a working disc, buying this release? Unless you didn't get the boxset, you're literally paying for the exact same 2 cuts of the film, the same 2 transfers, and likely none of the extras that were on the Shout! Factory disc..makes no sense to me

Some people are completists and like to have every release that's available.

Originally Posted by RiFiFi1955

It has been awhile since I have watched the layer entries but I thought the "thorn" sorry arch was only at the end of 5 and in part 6, is this incorrect?

Yeah, the Thorn arc is only present in those two films. In H5, it's just introduced by way of the Man In Black and the tattoo on his wrist, but otherwise there is never any direct mention of "Thorn," because at the time the filmmakers hadn't decided yet where they were going with these elements. Then it all played out in H6. So it's more like a "Thorn Duology" than a trilogy.

[steve_dave]

Originally Posted by RiFiFi1955

I don't know, I am willing to bet this will be the same disc as released in the box set.

Pretty sure it's the same master as Miramax provided it to both Scream and Lionsgate but it won't be the same disc. Scream's extras are exclusive to the set.

[StingingVelvet]

Originally Posted by brettxwt

Question..why are people who already own the boxset, and have a working disc, buying this release? Unless you didn't get the boxset, you're literally paying for the exact same 2 cuts of the film, the same 2 transfers, and likely none of the extras that were on the Shout! Factory disc..makes no sense to me

Some people already had most of the movies in the set and didn't want to re-buy them. This is a nice (and super cheap) way to get the producer's cut without spending $110 on movies you already own or don't want. Not that confusing really.

[brettxwt]

Originally Posted by StingingVelvet

Some people already had most of the movies in the set and didn't want to re-buy them. This is a nice (and super cheap) way to get the producer's cut without spending $110 on movies you already own or don't want. Not that confusing really.

Originally Posted by brettxwt

Question..why are people who already own the boxset, and have a working disc, buying this release? Unless you didn't get the boxset, you're literally paying for the exact same 2 cuts of the film, the same 2 transfers, and likely none of the extras that were on the Shout! Factory disc..makes no sense to me

I think you misread..

[PSLGuy]

Can we be clear here? All of Lionsgate Miramax's catalog releases orginally released by EchoBridge were the exact same master, if anything the EchoBridge titles had some tiny extras that Lionsgate lost in the rights to, they only other difference is with the Lionsgate/Miramax 2015 is they've included a DigitalHd copy. Lionsgate has never been a company known to do good restorative work. The movie "Scream" by Dimension/Mirmax, is released in U.S. By Lionsgate and has an awful picture, along with almost every other region. Japan's release of Scream set1-3, shows how Scream should be seen, with bit rates topping 40mbs, the picture is unreal.

Anchor bay/Starz is loyal to the Halloween and did an awesome job remastering Halloween 6, Producers Cut, H20, & 8. Now Lionsgate will capitalize on the fact that the Producers Cut is made and funded on the backs of all people that bought the Deluxe Gift Set. I wish Disney still distributed all of Mirmax. Then you could get a restoration. Now your only shot is Criterion.

[PuppetMasterBlu]

Originally Posted by PSLGuy

The movie "Scream" by Dimension/Mirmax, is released in U.S. By Lionsgate and has an awful picture, along with almost every other region. Japan's release of Scream set1-3, shows how Scream should be seen, with bit rates topping 40mbs, the picture is unreal.

Are the scream movies the same master? Do they really look that much better?

[OrlandoEastwood]

Originally Posted by PSLGuy

SHOUT/Sream did their best remastering Halloween 6, Producers Cut, H20, & 8. Now Lionsgate will capitalize on the fact that the Producers Cut is made and funded on the backs of all people that bought the Deluxe Gift Set. I wish Disney still distributed all of Mirmax. Then you could get a restoration. Now your only shot is Criterion.

Easy there, slugger. Remember how Disney just sat on all those titles that Echo Bridge rushed out that got mercilessly slaughtered by fans? Yeah. Disney let those masters go to crap. Alliance was doing a quicker output on Miramax titles in Canada putting them to shame.

[PSLGuy]

Originally Posted by PuppetMasterBlu

Are the scream movies the same master? Do they really look that much better?

First it's only "Scream" 1 that's a major upgrade. I don't know whether a different master was used or not. Warner Bros, is the distributor. Here's the link

Also, it's not the Directors Cut(Holy Grail). With Wes Craven's passing Lionsgate should make an effort to make this re-release.

[steve_dave]

Originally Posted by PSLGuy

Anchor bay/Starz is loyal to the Halloween and did an awesome job remastering Halloween 6, Producers Cut, H20, & 8. Now Lionsgate will capitalize on the fact that the Producers Cut is made and funded on the backs of all people that bought the Deluxe Gift Set. I wish Disney still distributed all of Mirmax. Then you could get a restoration. Now your only shot is Criterion.

Can I be clear here?

Anchor Bay/Starz had nothing, nothing, absolutely nothing to do with Halloween 6 theatrical, H6 producer's, H20, or Resurrection. AB's name is on the documentaries because those are a shared effort but...

Scream was responsible for the H6 theatrical & producers, H20, and Resurrection's actual film discs.

The only one that was actually remastered was H6 - The Producer's Cut but it is unclear who did the remaster. It is a remastered presentation but it's more than likely Miramax who put the effort into the remaster before sending it to Scream.

H6 theatrical, H20 and Resurrection look like they are from the older HD masters used to produce the DVDs. They could have looked better had Miramax or Scream paid for a new remastering.

Lionsgate isn't working on anyone's back here, Miramax simply wants to maximize their profits so they are now letting Lionsgate release the producer's cut of H6. And Miramax is providing the master to Lionsgate here so Lionsgate is at Miramax's mercy.

For films where Lionsgate has the elements available to them, they can do restorations and remasterings. See Dirty Dancing, Total Recall, and Terminator 2.

[flash.over]

Originally Posted by steve_dave

but it is unclear who did the remaster.

Pretty sure Scream Factory said that they remastered it. Miramax just gave them the camera negative.

[steve_dave]

Originally Posted by flash.over

Pretty sure Scream Factory said that they remastered it. Miramax just gave them the camera negative.

Which means the Lionsgate release is coming from a different master then.

[roywilbury]

It may also be confusing things that “remastered” is being used when I suppose “new film transfer/scan” would be a better term. A lot of stuff was “remastered” in the big Scream/Anchor Bay boxed set. Any time you change something that’s on a disc, it’s being newly mastered. If they use the same transfer, same encode, and simply change the menu or remove or add one bonus feature, that’s a “remaster” technically.

The big Scream/Anchor Bay boxed set was a mixture of re-purposing old discs (e.g. Scream’s “Halloween II” and “Halloween III”, etc., although even those were re-pressed with different disc art), making slight tweaks in remastering old discs (e.g. removing one featurette from the H4 Anchor Bay disc, re-doing the mono soundtrack on the original “Halloween”), re-mastering/re-encoding existing transfers (e.g. Scream’s work on the theatrical H6 as well as H20 and “Resurrection”), and apparently only one actual new transfer/scan of film elements (the “Producer’s Cut” of H6).

I don’t think many folks definitively know who was in the charge of the new scan done on the “Producer’s Cut” of H6. We know Miramax owns it, but it may be that Miramax paid for and did the scan and then licensed it to Anchor Bay/Scream, OR maybe Anchor Bay/Scream were the impetus for doing the scan and it was some sort of co-financing situation with Scream/Anchor Bay getting distribution rights for the boxed set in return for co-financing the overhead costs. I’m guessing the Miramax/Lionsgate H6 “Producer’s Cut” BD will look at least a little bit different (in the same way that two discs can look different even if derived from the same scan/transfer).