Panasonic Announces US info for DMP-UB900! - Page 5 - Blu-ray Forum

Wendell R. Breland · 08-30-2016, 02:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by d514

I don't think it's relevant how good the conversion from 12 bit to 10 bit is handled by current TV models.

Something to do with the fact there is no support for 4K*/24/25/30, 4:2:0 @ 8, 10 or 12 bit in the HDMI specification. There is support for 4K/24/25/30, 4:2:2 @ 12 bit.

Also, there is support for 4K/24/25/30, 4:4:4 @ 8, 10 and 12 bit. Info from Acoustic Frontiers LLC. No specification info on HDMI 2.0 or 2.0a unless you are a member.

*as in 3840 x 2160

Geoff D · 08-30-2016, 08:21 PM

Personally I'm still of the mind that the displays are at fault, first and foremost. When HD came along people merrily output upsampled 12-bit 1080p signals from their BD players without complaint from the displays, so it's a bit disheartening to see certain UHD displays (and not cheap ones, either) having such problems with 12-bit 4K. They can accept the signal, sure, but they can't process it for shit and for me that's not right: the TV manufacturers should ensure that if x signal can be accepted then it should also be able to be processed properly.

Sure, a native 10-bit output from Panasonic would be a nice gesture of courtesy from them but it won't make the underlying problems with the TV's processing @ 12-bit 4K go away. When Dolby Vision on UHD Blu becomes a thing then that'll be a 12-bit 4:2:2 output signal at the minimum so if any of the problem TVs are already DV enabled (I'm thinking LGs?) then they'll be shit out of luck with 12-bit DV on disc.

HD2k15 · 08-30-2016, 08:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Robert Zohn

I cannot reproduce this in our store. Not sure why it seems to be happening in the UK. As David said, it may be limited to some displays that don't handle the 12-bit signal properly. And of the more than 100 UB900s we have shipped I have not heard anything but perfectly happy users.

Also in regard to the chroma up-sampeling, Panasonic chroma processing is excellent and if anything it would actually help the image performance if the brightness controls were used.

I have the KS9800, all Sony and all LG OLED 4K TVs and we have the UB900 connected to every one with no banding issue or macro blocking.

Sorry I don't post on the other forum so please pass this along so other interested folks know this information.

-Robert
Value Electronics

You can try and replicate the issue by setting:
4K(50p/60p) Output set at 4:4:4 50p/60p and color mode on Automatic(Ycbcr). Deep Color on Automatic.

So when viewing UHD Movies it will say 4K/24p HDR/BT.2020 YCbCr4:4:4/12bit on the output from pressing playback info on your remote.
The UB900 includes 4K high-precision chroma processing which can take the Ultra HD Blu-ray encoded at 4:2:0 and use a 4K high-precision multi-tap filter to process the signal to 4:4:4, some TV's are having an issue when it is doing this, banding issues (See pic) but other TVs have no problems.

Opips3 · 08-31-2016, 12:06 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by HD2k15

You can try and replicate the issue by setting:
4K(50p/60p) Output set at 4:4:4 50p/60p and color mode on Automatic(Ycbcr). Deep Color on Automatic.

So when viewing UHD Movies it will say 4K/24p HDR/BT.2020 YCbCr4:4:4/12bit on the output from pressing playback info on your remote.
The UB900 includes 4K high-precision chroma processing which can take the Ultra HD Blu-ray encoded at 4:2:0 and use a 4K high-precision multi-tap filter to process the signal to 4:4:4, some TV's are having an issue when it is doing this, banding issues (See pic) but other TVs have no problems.

Yeah...need upgrade HDMI 2.1 over more than 23.8gbps. And enabled HDR for 4:4:4 12bits. You'll see next year.

elwaylite · 08-31-2016, 05:59 PM

Does the US version have Youtube and Vudu too?

Robert Zohn · 08-31-2016, 06:05 PM

Yes, to YouTube, no VUDU, but I'm hopeful we'll see this in a future firmware update.

2themax · 08-31-2016, 08:25 PM

Robert,

I believe you already confirmed this, but the newly announced DMP-UB700 won't be coming to the US right?

Robert Zohn · 08-31-2016, 08:26 PM

I asked and have not heard back yet.

2themax · 08-31-2016, 08:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Robert Zohn

I asked and have not heard back yet.

Just when I thought I had my player purchase all figured out...

Geoff D · 08-31-2016, 09:38 PM

If it's anything like the delay between the Euro 900 and 700 models, expect one in the US around Christmas time.

SpenceJT · 09-06-2016, 05:25 PM

I took delivery of my new UB900 this past Friday 2Sept, and while it is a very nice unit, I am more than a little disappointed that Panasonic's "flagship" player, has no support for VUDU streaming.

I hope that Panasonic returns VUDU to their application line-up by way of an upcoming firmware update. I have a sizable library of digital content that I can not currently access. I resent the possibility that I may need to purchase an additional piece of hardware, to obtain functionality that this $700 "flagship" does not include.

Wendell R. Breland · 09-06-2016, 05:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SpenceJT

I am more than a little disappointed that Panasonic's "flagship" player, has no support for VUDU streaming.

Sounds like someone did not do their research. Google is your friend

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Robert Zohn · 09-06-2016, 06:07 PM

At this time Panasonic USA tells me they have no plans to bring the UB700 into the American market.

I have also requested for the VUDU app to be added to Panasonic's Market app store.

elwaylite · 09-07-2016, 02:09 PM

Few pics of the toy, I just got back from Orlando and it was on the doorstep.

Will post some output pics later.

bferr1972 · 09-07-2016, 04:38 PM

Two different Best Buys have told me that their street date for the Panny is 9/18.

elwaylite · 09-07-2016, 07:15 PM

Preorder on their site was 9/2, thats how I got mine.

bferr1972 · 09-07-2016, 07:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by elwaylite

Preorder on their site was 9/2, thats how I got mine.

Shipped or picked up in-store? The 9/18 date they gave me was for in-store purchases.

elwaylite · 09-07-2016, 07:19 PM

Shipped, I got it Tuesday.

elwaylite · 09-07-2016, 07:23 PM

So far I like the menu system and love the remote. Obvious to me the Philips is a cousin of this thing looking at menu's. For some reason even when I select my 5ghz network, it still only connects to the 2.4ghz one.

bferr1972 · 09-07-2016, 08:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by elwaylite

So far I like the menu system and love the remote. Obvious to me the Philips is a cousin of this thing looking at menu's. For some reason even when I select my 5ghz network, it still only connects to the 2.4ghz one.

Is it worth the $$$ to upgrade from the Philips, which I have and really like but don't quite love?

08-30-2016, 08:21 PM	#82
Geoff D Blu-ray Emperor Top contributor Member since:Feb 2009 Location:Swanage, Engerland 4K collection:1348 Blu-ray collection:2525 Blu-ray reviews: 6 Trading Score:33	Personally I'm still of the mind that the displays are at fault, first and foremost. When HD came along people merrily output upsampled 12-bit 1080p signals from their BD players without complaint from the displays, so it's a bit disheartening to see certain UHD displays (and not cheap ones, either) having such problems with 12-bit 4K. They can accept the signal, sure, but they can't process it for shit and for me that's not right: the TV manufacturers should ensure that if x signal can be accepted then it should also be able to be processed properly. Sure, a native 10-bit output from Panasonic would be a nice gesture of courtesy from them but it won't make the underlying problems with the TV's processing @ 12-bit 4K go away. When Dolby Vision on UHD Blu becomes a thing then that'll be a 12-bit 4:2:2 output signal at the minimum so if any of the problem TVs are already DV enabled (I'm thinking LGs?) then they'll be shit out of luck with 12-bit DV on disc.

08-31-2016, 05:59 PM	#85
elwaylite Blu-ray Samurai Member since:Mar 2007	Does the US version have Youtube and Vudu too?

08-31-2016, 06:05 PM	#86
Robert Zohn Retailer Insider Member since:Nov 2009 Location:Scarsdale, NY Trading Score:2	Yes, to YouTube, no VUDU, but I'm hopeful we'll see this in a future firmware update.

08-31-2016, 08:25 PM	#87
2themax BD & UHD Insider Member since:Jan 2008 Trading Score:8	Robert, I believe you already confirmed this, but the newly announced DMP-UB700 won't be coming to the US right?

08-31-2016, 08:26 PM	#88
Robert Zohn Retailer Insider Member since:Nov 2009 Location:Scarsdale, NY Trading Score:2	I asked and have not heard back yet.

08-31-2016, 09:38 PM	#90
Geoff D Blu-ray Emperor Top contributor Member since:Feb 2009 Location:Swanage, Engerland 4K collection:1348 Blu-ray collection:2525 Blu-ray reviews: 6 Trading Score:33	If it's anything like the delay between the Euro 900 and 700 models, expect one in the US around Christmas time.

09-06-2016, 05:25 PM	#91
SpenceJT Member Member since:Jan 2008 Home Theater Gallery:9	I took delivery of my new UB900 this past Friday 2Sept, and while it is a very nice unit, I am more than a little disappointed that Panasonic's "flagship" player, has no support for VUDU streaming. I hope that Panasonic returns VUDU to their application line-up by way of an upcoming firmware update. I have a sizable library of digital content that I can not currently access. I resent the possibility that I may need to purchase an additional piece of hardware, to obtain functionality that this $700 "flagship" does not include.

09-06-2016, 06:07 PM	#93
Robert Zohn Retailer Insider Member since:Nov 2009 Location:Scarsdale, NY Trading Score:2	At this time Panasonic USA tells me they have no plans to bring the UB700 into the American market. I have also requested for the VUDU app to be added to Panasonic's Market app store.

09-07-2016, 02:09 PM	#94
elwaylite Blu-ray Samurai Member since:Mar 2007	Few pics of the toy, I just got back from Orlando and it was on the doorstep. Will post some output pics later.

09-07-2016, 04:38 PM	#95
bferr1972 Blu-ray Ninja Member since:Aug 2016 Location:Here Trading Score:7	Two different Best Buys have told me that their street date for the Panny is 9/18.

09-07-2016, 07:15 PM	#96
elwaylite Blu-ray Samurai Member since:Mar 2007	Preorder on their site was 9/2, thats how I got mine.

09-07-2016, 07:19 PM	#98
elwaylite Blu-ray Samurai Member since:Mar 2007	Shipped, I got it Tuesday.

09-07-2016, 07:23 PM	#99
elwaylite Blu-ray Samurai Member since:Mar 2007	So far I like the menu system and love the remote. Obvious to me the Philips is a cousin of this thing looking at menu's. For some reason even when I select my 5ghz network, it still only connects to the 2.4ghz one.

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