Ready Player One Steelbook (Manta Lab Exclusive) (Hong Kong)

[Lordy]

Originally Posted by Shadowscythe85

I'm surprised that both lenticular slips are still available. Guess maybe HDZeta doing it as well has split the sales allowing versions to still be instock? Either way, I already got my Double Lenticular and the Target 4K exclusive so I'm all set.

Probably because they are both 2D/3D where 3D is rapidly becoming a non-factor and being overtaken by 4K in popularity in most markets. This explains why the 2D/4K version sold out not too long after the One-Click version which sold out in about 5 minutes. The 2D/3D versions will eventually become sold out - mainly purchased by 2D collectors who are in it for the steelbook and the lenticular slips but where the 3D discs will never get played. I think it would have wiser for Manta Lab to have released one 2D/4K lenticular slip and only one 2D/3D lenticular slip (instead of two). It will be interesting to see what they do with The Greatest Showman and The Shape of Water releases.

[GreatGreg]

Originally Posted by Lordy

Probably because they are both 2D/3D where 3D is rapidly becoming a non-factor and being overtaken by 4K in popularity in most markets. This explains why the 2D/4K version sold out not too long after the One-Click version which sold out in about 5 minutes. The 2D/3D versions will eventually become sold out - mainly purchased by 2D collectors who are in it for the steelbook and the lenticular slips but where the 3D discs will never get played.

Nice theory but at 1900 copies there are more than 2x the number of 2D/3D SteelBooks than there are 4K SteelBooks.

[Lordy]

Originally Posted by GreatGreg

Nice theory but at 1900 copies there are more than 2x the number of 2D/3D SteelBooks than there are 4K SteelBooks.

Umm....didn't you just make my point? Kind of seems like you have.

[ConDers]

Originally Posted by Lordy

Umm....didn't you just make my point? Kind of seems like you have.

If your point was that people had more options to choose from and a larger quantity overall for 3D is the reason they aren't sold out. Also can argue that half of the people that bought the OCs, prefer 3D over 4K. On top of all of that a lot of people don't open these so artwork and slip type was the deciding factor.

[Lordy]

Originally Posted by scwilson_11

If your point was that people had more options to choose from and a larger quantity overall for 3D is the reason they aren't sold out. Also can argue that half of the people that bought the OCs, prefer 3D over 4K. On top of all of that a lot of people don't open these so artwork and slip type was the deciding factor.

My observation is that the One-Clicks sell out quickly regardless of their 3D/4K make-up. The best example is the Ex-Machina release which was only a 2D offering where the One-Click version sold out immediately, closely followed by two of the three slips selling out shortly after on the same day. The One-Clicks are clearly a highly “collectible” offering that are quite popular irrespective of their 2D/3D/4K make-up.

On the Ready Player One release my opinion is that if there were two 2D/4K slip offerings and just one 2D/3D slip offering, then the One-Click and the two 2D/4K offerings would all be sold out and only the 2D/3D version would still be available at this point.

[BrandonJF]

Originally Posted by Lordy

My observation is that the One-Clicks sell out quickly regardless of their 3D/4K make-up. The best example is the Ex-Machina release which was only a 2D offering where the One-Click version sold out immediately, closely followed by two of the three slips selling out shortly after on the same day. The One-Clicks are clearly a highly “collectible” offering that are quite popular irrespective of their 2D/3D/4K make-up.

On the Ready Player One release my opinion is that if there were two 2D/4K slip offerings and just one 2D/3D slip offering, then the One-Click and the two 2D/4K offerings would all be sold out and only the 2D/3D version would still be available at this point.

You keep ignoring the quantity available in your analysis. The people selling these don't seen to share your opinion, otherwise the 2D/3D version would be the one with the lowest print run. Are you thinking their thought process is "3D is a hard sell... let's make to make more of that version that any other!"? I don't think 3D is as dead outside of the U.S. as you think it is (otherwise, why do I have to keep importing 3D discs?)

If I'm going to guess, I'd put format preference lower on the list when trying to figure out why something sold out. I would imagine artwork and quantity would come before format. If the 4K version had the cover of the lenticular slip, it would still be available.

I can say the #1 reason I would've bought the one-click if I would've remembered to get to the site by 8AM this morning was that art work. I don't care if it had all 3D discs, all 2D discs, or all 4K discs.

[Lordy]

Originally Posted by BrandonJF

You keep ignoring the quantity available in your analysis. The people selling these don't seen to share your opinion, otherwise the 2D/3D version would be the one with the lowest print run. Are you thinking their thought process is "3D is a hard sell... let's make to make more of that version that any other!"? I don't think 3D is as dead outside of the U.S. as you think it is (otherwise, why do I have to keep importing 3D discs?)

If I'm going to guess, I'd put format preference lower on the list when trying to figure out why something sold out. I would imagine artwork and quantity would come before format. If the 4K version had the cover of the lenticular slip, it would still be available.

I can say the #1 reason I would've bought the one-click if I would've remembered to get to the site by 8AM this morning was that art work. I don't care if it had all 3D discs, all 2D discs, or all 4K discs.

My argument makes sense if we can agree to stipulate that the goal of the manufacturer was to sell out the entire run in one day. If that was the goal then I believe that their thinking process was flawed. This is pure speculation by all of us since we don't know how may of the 3D sets remain. It could very well be that both 2D/3D sets are almost gone. However, when this particular run was first revealed I knew that the One-Click would sell out immediately, which it did, and that the 2D/4K version would soon follow, which was exactly the case. If it were my decision to make, I would not have gone with two 2D/3D versions, but only one. It's pretty clear that the demand for the 2D/4K set was higher given that it sold out within about two hours, and both 2D/3D sets still remain available. It's just an opinion based on a very limited set of facts and the knowledge that 4K is on the upswing and 3D is a fast trend downward - regardless of how much you seem to like it.

[Gorgon]

I've got a pre-order in for the HDZ one-click, otherwise I would have purchased the Manta One-click this morning (did buy their dble Lenti).
Hope I made the right call as far as One-clicks go, time will tell I suppose...

[ConDers]

Originally Posted by Lordy

My argument makes sense if we can agree to stipulate that the goal of the manufacturer was to sell out the entire run in one day. If that was the goal then I believe that their thinking process was flawed. This is pure speculation by all of us since we don't know how may of the 3D sets remain. It could very well be that both 2D/3D sets are almost gone. However, when this particular run was first revealed I knew that the One-Click would sell out immediately, which it did, and that the 2D/4K version would soon follow, which was exactly the case. If it were my decision to make, I would not have gone with two 2D/3D versions, but only one. It's pretty clear that the demand for the 2D/4K set was higher given that it sold out within about two hours, and both 2D/3D sets still remain available. It's just an opinion based on a very limited set of facts and the knowledge that 4K is on the upswing and 3D is a fast trend downward - regardless of how much you seem to like it.

If the only evidence that supports your theory is that people are less interested in 3D because they didnt sell out as fast as more limited items then you really have no argument. "It's pretty clear that the demand for the 2D/4K set was higher given that it sold out within about two hours, and both 2D/3D sets still remain available". You can't ignore facts and the variables presented by other members just because it doesn't suit your opinion.

[Lordy]

Originally Posted by scwilson_11

If the only evidence that supports your theory is that people are less interested in 3D because they didnt sell out as fast as more limited items then you really have no argument. "It's pretty clear that the demand for the 2D/4K set was higher given that it sold out within about two hours, and both 2D/3D sets still remain available". You can't ignore facts and the variables presented by other members just because it doesn't suit your opinion.

Sure I can. You're just a supporter of 3D, which is perfectly fine, but you choose to ignore that new demand for 3D TVs is practically zero - at least in the U.S. market.

See: https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/201...s-stop-making/

and: https://www.lifewire.com/why-3d-tv-died-4126776

Walk into any Best Buy store here in the U.S. and they've got 4K sets galore but you'll be hard pressed to find more than one 3D set being pushed, if that. New video releases in the brick & mortar stores and on Amazon are generally either DVD, 2D/DVD combos or 4K/2D combos. The 2D/3D new release is by far the exception, not the rule.

[ConDers]

Originally Posted by Lordy

Sure I can. You're just a supporter of 3D, which is perfectly fine, but you choose to ignore that new demand for 3D TVs is practically zero - at least in the U.S. market.

See: https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/201...s-stop-making/

Walk into any Best Buy store here in the U.S. and they've got 4K sets galore but you'll be hard pressed to find more than one 3D set being pushed, if that. New video releases in the brick & mortar stores and on Amazon are generally either DVD, 2D/DVD combos or 4K/2D combos. The 2D/3D new release is by far the exception, not the rule. Might be different in the Europe and Asia markets - don't know for sure, don't live there. But I know what I see here.

Everything stated here has nothing to do with this release. Manta sells globally so what Best Buy pushes is unrelated. I have more 4K movies and have spent more on that setup than my 3D one. I support both formats but yet again the evidence you put forth is flawed. I know 3D is losing ground among the mass population in the US, BUT the mass population isn't buying $60 steelbooks from Hong Kong. Using a very select group of collectors as a representation of the general population is misleading. If Best Buy were selling these, AND they had the same print run AND the same artwork your argument would have some credibility. As stated before too many variables.

[Keyser Soze.]

And now back to the real world... this just in... while trying to steer this thread derail back on track...

Double Lenti is now SOLD OUT.

[gambit64]

For some reason, we didn't go to the theater to see this. I blind bought (rare thing for me to do - not a gamblin' man) on 4K and, surprisingly, absolutely loved the movie (wife, too, which was even a bigger surprise!!). I've never bought a Manta product even though at some point I must have created an account, saw the advertisement in my e-mails, and broke down and preordered the DL yesterday evening. Looks absolutely fantastic and worth the double dip for a premium steel of this film!

[Lordy]

Originally Posted by scwilson_11

Everything stated here has nothing to do with this release. Manta sells globally so what Best Buy pushes is unrelated. I have more 4K movies and have spent more on that setup than my 3D one. I support both formats but yet again the evidence you put forth is flawed. I know 3D is losing ground among the mass population in the US, BUT the mass population isn't buying $60 steelbooks from Hong Kong. Using a very select group of collectors as a representation of the general population is misleading. If Best Buy were selling these, AND they had the same print run AND the same artwork your argument would have some credibility. As stated before too many variables.

You believe what you want to believe, buddy. I’m just giving an opinion, that’s all. Here’s another opinion: You’re a contentious prick.

[ConDers]

Originally Posted by Lordy

You believe what you want to believe, buddy. I’m just giving an opinion, that’s all. Here’s another opinion: You’re a contentious prick.

Oh man and here i thought we were having a respectful debate. I'm sorry I didn't agree with your point and when all else fails less intelligent people resort to name calling.

[Lordy]

Originally Posted by scwilson_11

Oh man and here i thought we were having a respectful debate. I'm sorry I didn't agree with your point and when all else fails less intelligent people resort to name calling.

Aw, poor snowflake! Here’ the problem, we’re discussing opinions, not cold hard facts but your approach is “No, you’re wrong - YOU’RE WRONG!!” You tell me my opinion has no credibility and you call that respectful? It’s all about winning the argument with you. Never conceding that the other person might have a point, or trying to understand their perspective. Got old.

[ConDers]

Originally Posted by Lordy

Aw, poor snowflake! Here’ the problem, we’re discussing opinions, not cold hard facts but your approach is “No, you’re wrong - YOU’RE WRONG!!” It’s all about winning the argument with you. Never conceding that the other person might have a point, or trying to understand their perspective. Got old.

Not worth it. Sorry you misunderstood me and it offended you.

[Lordy]

Originally Posted by gambit64

For some reason, we didn't go to the theater to see this. I blind bought (rare thing for me to do - not a gamblin' man) on 4K and, surprisingly, absolutely loved the movie (wife, too, which was even a bigger surprise!!). I've never bought a Manta product even though at some point I must have created an account, saw the advertisement in my e-mails, and broke down and preordered the DL yesterday evening. Looks absolutely fantastic and worth the double dip for a premium steel of this film!

How much of a factor was the inclusion of a 3D disc in your decision to purchase, or was it cool movie, nice steelbook, neat slipcase and a 2D blu-ray that sold it for you?

[stephengizmo]

Guys calm down, don’t let this get nasty. Just pre ordered the double lengthy 3D, and my first manta lab at that

[ConDers]

Originally Posted by stephengizmo

Guys calm down, don’t let this get nasty. Just pre ordered the double lengthy 3D, and my first manta lab at that

You're in for a treat then. Unfortunately I only own their Constantine FS and Logan special box but they are two of my nicest premiums for sure and pictures never do them justice. Can't wait to see how the single lenti turns out