Iron Man 4K UHD (2008)

[Geoff D]

I think IM 1 and 2 will be Disnee's first real attempt at live action catalogue UHDs shot on film (Prestige was done entirely by Warners, it doesn't count) so I was always going to be wary of them simply because we've got no proper benchmark for how they'll handle film in 4K HDR.

And for all of Mike's kvetching above, he's gone on record to say that he likes the German IM3 disc - as do I - and that's been de-noised quite a bit as well, only it's been heavily sharpened to compensate and it helps to offset the softness. Because it's digitally shot it doesn't seem to destroy the image but the German discs for IM 1 and 2 look awful with the same kind of process applied - de-noise, sharpen - so whatever Disnee do with the IMs I hope they approach each one on its merits. The HDR on IM1 was ridiculous as well, with the brightness blasting out at 11 but virtually no extra highlight detail being resolved and it looked so boosted and nasty. No way are we going to get that same POS only with a "better DNR pass".

[s2mikey]

Originally Posted by StingingVelvet

The DNR on Winter Soldier has me pretty concerned about Iron Man 1 and 2. The third one should be a safe day one purchase though.

Yep. DNR being slathered on thick kills a release regardless of the rest of its qualities. Of course it’s evident that there are still a lot of people that just get gooey eyed over overly sharpened, grain-starved images with blown out colors and enough NITS being cranked out to effectively light up an evening baseball game. Okey dokeee.

[dickdarlington]

The Last Jedi was shot on film, meaning Iron Man 1 & 2 would be the second and third live-action films that Disney has put on UHD that we’re shot on film.

Odds are the first two Iron Man films will be sourced from 2K DIs.

[imsounoriginal]

Nutcracker/Four Realms was also shot on film IIRC.

[bradnoyes]

Originally Posted by imsounoriginal

Nutcracker/Four Realms was also shot on film IIRC.

It was indeed, and I thought it looked quite nice. But Geoff was referring specifically to catalog titles. I think that deep down we all know what to expect from Disney when it comes to how they're going to handle their catalog UHD transfers. But until we get the discs in our hands, there's always hope!

[imsounoriginal]

Didn't see Geoff's post, my bad. Was replying to the one directly above mine.

[Locutus494]

Originally Posted by dickdarlington

The Last Jedi was shot on film, meaning Iron Man 1 & 2 would be the second and third live-action films that Disney has put on UHD that we’re shot on film.

Odds are the first two Iron Man films will be sourced from 2K DIs.

The Last Jedi wasn't a catalog title; Geoff was talking about shot-on-film catalog titles that Disney has released on UHD...

[dickdarlington]

Originally Posted by Locutus494

The Last Jedi wasn't a catalog title; Geoff was talking about shot-on-film catalog titles that Disney has released on UHD...

Lucasfilm is the only studio in the Disney wheelhouse that mandates 4K DIs. That’s why The Last Jedi and Solo are two of the only three Disney UHDs that came from a native 4K source (The Little Mermaid being #3).

Unless hell somehow magically decides to freeze over; Iron Man, Iron Man 2, and Thor will be sourced from 2K DIs just as The Incredible Hulk was sourced from a 2K DI.

The only live-action Disney UHDs that we know are coming that will be native 4K is anything that has “Star Wars” in its title (and that will only be for six of the eight films not on UHD currently).

[Doctorossi]

Originally Posted by dickdarlington

Lucasfilm is the only studio in the Disney wheelhouse that mandates 4K DIs.

Is that really a mandate or is it just a function of the 4K DCPs The Last Jedi and Solo have?

The Force Awakens and Rogue One were both 2K DCPs, so I would expect to see 2K sources used for their eventual UHD releases.

[Geoff D]

Originally Posted by Doctorossi

Is that really a mandate or is it just a function of the 4K DCPs The Last Jedi and Solo have?

The Force Awakens and Rogue One were both 2K DCPs, so I would expect to see 2K sources used for their eventual UHD releases.

Rogue was 4K, chum.

[Doctorossi]

Originally Posted by Geoff D

Rogue was 4K, chum.

That's right- thank you. 4K, with 2K VFX renders.

I guess The Force Awakens is the 2K outlier. Hopefully, that means more of a chance they'll go back and create a 4K master to bring it up to speed with everything else.*










* this is me, not holding my breath, though

[Geoff D]

You never know. Given that plenty of TFA would be upscales of 2K VFX anyway, it wouldn't cost a horrendous amount of money to transfer the untouched shots from film for the rest of it (which would then be reframed/split-screened/whatever as per the original edit using the project files and other metadata created at the time).

[bbeck]

Wasn't Cinderella (2015) shot on film?

Anyway, audio-wise I'm not concerned. Each of the MCU catalog releases in 4K have had Atmos mixes that are, at the very least, equal to their DTS counterparts. (And AoU was a big upgrade.)

[Doctorossi]

Originally Posted by Geoff D

reframed/split-screened/whatever as per the original edit

Composited?

[Geoff D]

Originally Posted by bbeck

Wasn't Cinderella (2015) shot on film?

No idea. But if it was, and if it's coming out before the Iran Mans then that'll be a test of how they'll treat a recent-ish shot-on-film catalogue title, though it still being very new means that the master(s) will likely be in great shape which is why I mentioned "catalogue" in the first place: even those studios that routinely wrecked their catalogue Blu-rays with DNR (Par, Uni) provided stellar-looking 'new' movies on Blu, grain and all, because of that filmmaker oversight. Stuff that's revisited years after the fact, not so much.

Originally Posted by Doctorossi

Composited?

Yes, hence the 'whatever'. The combining of multiple takes or changing the timing of an actor's entrance etc etc etc would all be recorded in the data from the edit suite, so once they've assembled all the relevant parts they can put them back together fairly easily.

[weberrygt]

Wow, these movies need to come out like now because I am jonesing for some Iron Man in 4k, like right now!

[B-52 Bass]

Originally Posted by lgans316

Really hope they don't Atmouse the already awesome TrueHD track.

Yeah, I'm with that too That's why I didn't get the CA movies because of AQ.. I know all Marvel movies will be in 4K soon or later. But if AQ is A$$ low they can KEEP all of them. I really would want to heard all them movies in the full Glory of ATMOS. I know they heard the complaints but probably don't care.

[Resettito]

Originally Posted by dickdarlington

The Last Jedi was shot on film, meaning Iron Man 1 & 2 would be the second and third live-action films that Disney has put on UHD that we’re shot on film.

Odds are the first two Iron Man films will be sourced from 2K DIs.

Ahhh, the good old time when MCU films were shot on film..... Watching bits of IM1 and 2 on the extras is a reminder of how much was lost when they switched. The Last Jedi is actually a digital/film mix, mostly film.

[Resettito]

Originally Posted by bbeck

Wasn't Cinderella (2015) shot on film?

Anyway, audio-wise I'm not concerned. Each of the MCU catalog releases in 4K have had Atmos mixes that are, at the very least, equal to their DTS counterparts. (And AoU was a big upgrade.)

Cinderella is film yeah. Branagh only shoots on film.

[Poya]

Originally Posted by Resettito

Ahhh, the good old time when MCU films were shot on film..... Watching bits of IM1 and 2 on the extras is a reminder of how much was lost when they switched. The Last Jedi is actually a digital/film mix, mostly film.

It truly was something lost. Now the DCEU films are switching to digital when they were going to be all about film, per Snyder’s wishes. Other than WW84, that is.