Southern Comfort 4K UHD (1981) (Vinegar Syndrome)

[badlieut]

Originally Posted by dallywhitty

Still can't get over Walter Hill taking full credit. NOT a good look.

What's the story behind it? I can't find anything in a search.

[sojrner]

Originally Posted by sonicyogurt

...but at least to my mind, that's a long way from "Emerson prefers IP scans over OCN scans".

I hear him presenting "feathery" as positive and "sharp" as negative. Regardless of what ends up being a reality with later statements, I hear the current comment as The Cat™ presented: he prefers IPs.

[Kyle15]

Originally Posted by badlieut

What's the story behind it? I can't find anything in a search.

Walter Hill was on set that day and took over directing one scene because a swamp tarantula fell on Cronenberg and he fainted from arachnotrauma. When Cronenberg returned to set Walter Hill called Cronenberg a "dingus" which didn't upset him but Cronenberg is territorial and reached into his pocket and threw a rat at Walter Hill. Walter Hill fainted from rattrauma. The CEO of Fox's daughter's sister's girl was there and she saw, and proceeded to faint from rattrauma too. There was this huge commotion when Walter Hill woke up and he called the CEO of Fox who then didn't remove Cronenberg from production, but stripped him from all credits without his knowledge. He got paid though. Cronenberg went on to basically not care because he hated the film. Walter Hill also shadow-edited in a new ending. The original ending is considered lost to time.

[dallywhitty]

Originally Posted by Kyle15

Walter Hill was on set that day and took over directing one scene because a swamp tarantula fell on Cronenberg and he fainted from arachnotrauma. When Cronenberg returned to set Walter Hill called Cronenberg a "dingus" which didn't upset him but Cronenberg is territorial and reached into his pocket and threw a rat at Walter Hill. Walter Hill fainted from rattrauma. The CEO of Fox's daughter's sister's girl was there and she saw, and proceeded to faint from rattrauma too. There was this huge commotion when Walter Hill woke up and he called the CEO of Fox who then didn't remove Cronenberg from production, but stripped him from all credits without his knowledge. He got paid though. Cronenberg went on to basically not care because he hated the film. Walter Hill also shadow-edited in a new ending. The original ending is considered lost to time.

It's true. My brother's sister's girl was there. She saw it all.

[sojrner]

Originally Posted by Kyle15

Walter Hill was on set that day and took over directing one scene because a swamp tarantula fell on Cronenberg and he fainted from arachnotrauma. When Cronenberg returned to set Walter Hill called Cronenberg a "dingus" which didn't upset him but Cronenberg is territorial and reached into his pocket and threw a rat at Walter Hill. Walter Hill fainted from rattrauma. The CEO of Fox's daughter's sister's girl was there and she saw, and proceeded to faint from rattrauma too. There was this huge commotion when Walter Hill woke up and he called the CEO of Fox who then didn't remove Cronenberg from production, but stripped him from all credits without his knowledge. He got paid though. Cronenberg went on to basically not care because he hated the film. Walter Hill also shadow-edited in a new ending. The original ending is considered lost to time.

It's a shocking revelation that tears down the infrastructure of society relying on truth in advertising and government regulation of this type of atrocity. Most details that point to the Rockefellers and Rothschilds (with Hill as their puppet) taking over the presentation to hide their dirty Southern secrets revealed during production are as lost as that Cronenberg ending. Also, swamp gas reflected off Venus.

[Kyle15]

Originally Posted by dallywhitty

It's true. My brother's sister's girl was there. She saw it all.

Whats even more bizarre is how this story leaked over the years. Jeff Goldblum was out swinging in the trees hunting crocodiles and watched everything unfold. He reportedly said "urrrr ahhar ha yeee a" and caught a swamp bird back to NY. There he has dinner with some theater people from back in the day and what he didn't know is Martin Scorcese was hiding in the rafters watching for inspiration for a new film and overheard the whole thing. He isn't a gossiper but he quickly called Robert De Niro and then Robert De Niro told his mole in the mob and then the story spread back to Hollywood but it sounded so silly the CEO of Fox was never concerned. Then Jeff talked about it on an episode of Oprah, I believe it was 1992-ish? It's quite a hoot.

[sonicyogurt]

Originally Posted by sojrner

I hear him presenting "feathery" as positive and "sharp" as negative. Regardless of what ends up being a reality with later statements, I hear the current comment as The Cat™ presented: he prefers IPs.

I have to admit that I can't wrap my head around that when we're talking about the co-founder of a company that's been releasing titles overwhelmingly sourced from OCNs for over a decade.

Especially someone with a background in film restoration who's also been quoted as preferring OCNs:

According to Emerson, the greatest challenge is often sourcing suitable film materials for scanning. Original film elements are always preferable, but if they are unavailable, Emerson and his team will track down the next generation of a film, either an interpositive or internegative.

[sojrner]

Originally Posted by sonicyogurt

I have to admit that I can't wrap my head around that when we're talking about the co-founder of a company that's been releasing titles overwhelmingly sourced from OCNs for over a decade.

Especially someone with a background in film restoration who's also been quoted as preferring OCNs:

It's all good. I don't think anyone is saying this as definitive: it's just circumstantially interesting with recent releases. That is all. It's nothing worth building a doctrine around or planting a flag on the hill to die over.

Rock on.

[LoSouL]

I could just as easily picture the man doing a similar video talking about an available OCN and sharpness in a positive light, depending on the project. It's like talking about food in terms of umami.

My estimation is that he just digs whatever he has in his hands and is getting to work with, with varying degrees of reverence and excitement. The video is likely not just an expression of passion for the project, but also marketing and a conversation piece that helps explain some of the qualities and impart some of the reasoning / context. The way he explains it, lends a sense of allure and pedigree to the existence of the IP they're using.

You can either put out some cool promotional material and represent what you're doing, like you believe in it, or you can just let the narrative preemptively write itself.

Either way, I really enjoyed the video. It was probably also well-timed for subscriber week, since it helps communicate what Vinegar Syndrome does as an archival preservation outfit. Should supporting that sort of endeavor be something that sweetens the pot for you.

[Geoff D]

Originally Posted by sonicyogurt

Sorry for harping on this, but could you point to this comment?

I heard the following in the video:



...but at least to my mind, that's a long way from "Emerson prefers IP scans over OCN scans".

Yep, misheard it then.

[Bates_Motel]

Originally Posted by Telemachus

I waited too long to buy that now it's sold out, when you fumble a sure thing

It came back in print in December.

[DaylightsEnd]

Originally Posted by Kyle15

Walter Hill fainted from rattrauma.

This portion remains largely unsubstantiated speculation, since he also allegedly had high blood pressure, ibs, low blood sugar, and an irrational fear of airborne opossums which can also sometimes resemble a rat when flung with sufficient vigor.

[Justin_Playfair]

Originally Posted by critterdvd

Call me crazy but I prefer this over “deliverance”.

Ok, you're crazy. But apparently I am too, because I feel the same way about this being a better movie than Deliverance.

[Justin_Playfair]

Originally Posted by Telemachus

Did Tropic Thunder rip this off at all? Seems mighty familiar to me

No, Tropic Thunder was a satire of the Vietnam war movie genre. This one was essentially a ripoff of Deliverance, but IMO is actually a better movie and set in the swamps of Louisiana instead of Georgia.

[Telemachus]

Preordered this for Cronenberg

[deet]

Originally Posted by Justin_Playfair

This one was essentially a ripoff of Deliverance, but IMO is actually a better movie

Sir, you're exceeded your hot take ratio in this sentence, please slow down. They are very different once you get beyond "city folk with internal conflicts attempt to flee the swamps after the locals get violent", Deliverance leans towards slow burn horror, while Southern Comfort is a straightforward action movie.

[DaylightsEnd]

Angry locals, crushing on misplaced city folk in the midst of a misadventure? Hills Have Eyes ftw.

[Olmo]

Originally Posted by Justin_Playfair

Ok, you're crazy. But apparently I am too, because I feel the same way about this being a better movie than Deliverance.

I wouldn’t have the arrogance to call anyone ‘crazy’ for preferring Southern Comfort over Deliverance but I’d pull up anyone with the temerity to call it ‘better’.

[dallywhitty]

I was a bit underwhelmed when I saw Deliverance, but that was years ago and I've been meaning to give it a re-watch.

Re: Boorman, I really wanted to like Zardoz cause it's balmy but I found it so ugly to look at. Exorcist II and Excalibur are gorgeous, though.

[DaylightsEnd]

Originally Posted by dallywhitty

I was a bit underwhelmed when I saw Deliverance, but that was years ago and I've been meaning to give it a re-watch.

You have to go into it with properly managed expectations, with the understanding that it is first and foremost a woodsy rite-of-passage softcore porno. In some southern circles, it is rumored to be viewed as the everyman's Barbarella, with some whitewater rafting footage thrown in.