3D/2D Displays that support 3D & 2D & 24p at multiplies of the original frame rate

[vick vega]

So no Sxrds' the a 2020 can't accept 1080p? When will Sony have a rear projection tv that can accept 1080p signal?

[HDTV1080P]

Originally Posted by vick vega

So no Sxrds' the a 2020 can't accept 1080p? When will Sony have a rear projection tv that can accept 1080p signal?

These are the only current know rear projectors that have a 1080P/24 input and have refresh rates at multiplies of the original frame

Sony KDF-50E3000 LCD Rear Projector (scheduled release summer 2007)
Sony KDF-46E3000 LCD Rear Projector (scheduled release summer 2007)
NuVision 52LEDLP (No Color Wheel, no rainbows,3 LEDS, power 100-240V 50/60HZ ) 72HZ

Most likely this September 2007 or September 2008 Sony will have some rear projector SXRD sets with 1080P/24 inputs with refresh rates of 96HZ or 120HZ. I am hoping this year we will see something.

[Blu-Ray Buckeye]

Originally Posted by vick vega

So no Sxrds' the a 2020 can't accept 1080p? When will Sony have a rear projection tv that can accept 1080p signal?

Are you talking 1080p or just 1080p/24? All new SXRDs accept 1080p.

[vick vega]

Originally Posted by Blu-Ray Buckeye

Are you talking 1080p or just 1080p/24? All new SXRDs accept 1080p.

You ready for King James to whoop some Spurs tommorw?

[andytoh]

Originally Posted by thebluemax

BDP-S1 via HDMI via Samsung DLP 61" output at 1080/24p.

Originally Posted by thebluemax

No, my manual does not state that it supports 24p, however Samsung gave me info from there more detailed specs that it does support 24p.

https://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread.php?t=9743

True or not? I'm about to buy the Samsung LED DLP 61" 1080p.

[andytoh]

According to
http://www.abtelectronics.com/product/28198.html
the Samsung 61" LED DLP is powered by 3:2 pull-down. Thus the answer is no. thebluemax is incorrect/misinformed about his TV.

[HDTV1080P]

Originally Posted by andytoh

According to
http://www.abtelectronics.com/product/28198.html
the Samsung 61" LED DLP is powered by 3:2 pull-down. Thus the answer is no. thebluemax is incorrect/misinformed about his TV.

I have not read anything about the Samsung supporting 1080P/24. To my knowledge it does not support 1080P/24. Even if it does have a 1080P/24 input the Samsung is still a 60HZ display.
Keep in mind 1080P/24 feature is only a nice feature to have while watching BLU-RAY and HD-DVD discs. Also when shopping for a display things like 1080P resolution, contrast ratio, and black levels are more important then 1080P/24 inputs. The Samsung has a good 10,000:1 contrast ratio and black levels with a 1080P/60 input that would outperform a display that only had 5,000:1 contrast ratio with a 1080P/24 input.
If you have the money to spend I would recommend getting a display with 1080P/24 input that refreshes at multiplies of the original frame if you plan on watching a lot of BLU-RAY movies. Just keep in mind there are other factors more important to picture quality. Right now most the sets on the market with a 1080P/24 have excellent contrast ratios, and black levels, but in the future lower quality displays might be introduced.

[Electric_Haggis]

Anyone know which AV receivers pass through 1080p24 ?

Not much info out there on this, but I'm hoping the new Onkyo range will.

[Knight-Errant]

Originally Posted by Electric_Haggis

Anyone know which AV receivers pass through 1080p24 ?

Not much info out there on this, but I'm hoping the new Onkyo range will.

I'm gonna be looking for a really good receiver soon with all the features so am looking forward to what's coming up.

[Electric_Haggis]

Well if the new Onkyo 805 has 1080/24p support....THAT'S IT! There's nothing more you could want in a receiver. Except perhaps HQV video processing, and you get that with the 875, as well as 4 HDMI 1.3 inputs !!

[HDTV1080P]

This is going to confuse people. If this 60HZ Hitachi technology really works to eliminate the judder then maybe I will be adding some 60HZ only judder free displays to the list. Hitachi says that it’s 60HZ plasma displays works better then progressive LCD’s with 120HZ refresh rates. The new Hitachi Plasma’s will convert 24 FPS material into two interlaced fields of 60 fps material.

Here is a link to the info. Until there is a review of this new technology they will not be added to the list.
http://www.twice.com/article/CA6455831.html

[Electric_Haggis]

Well I love Hitachi plasmas, but that seems a little far-fetched. If the TV is giving you 60Hz interlaced, then you're just getting 1080i (so 1080i that's all you should need to feed it).
Motion-wise, it would give you similar results to a CRT display - you'd still get the 3:2 pulldown.

[vick vega]

I'm looking forward to seeing this puppy in person

https://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread.php?t=10745

HDMI 1.3 awsome refresh rates. All I can say is WOW

[Deciazulado]

Well this part:

He said the system uses motion vector interpolation to convert 24 fps source material, which represents the bulk of film-originated content, into two interlaced fields of 60 fps material.

Sounds like they're using intrerpolation to recreate 60i motion which is better than 24p, or even 30p in some directions (the "shot live" look) but of course if that's 60 in interlaced, the image would have interlaced artifacts if seen up close (to get rid of those you'd have to deinterlace that to 60p). I've haven't seen it in action but I would think the process looks somewhat similar to what those Phillips TVs did with 24fps DVDs (I've seen Tomorrow Never Dies like if it had been shot with a PAL 50i camera: from Dies to "live" )

Maybe that look will be a hit with some customers

Whalen, however, said Hitachi is downplaying the 1080p story in that model in favor of the 60Hz refresh rate message, which the company believes is more meaningful since the most widely available HD source material is in the 1080i format or can be readily converted to 1080i from 720p using Hitachi’s video processing technologies.
Additionally, Hitachi’s Alternate Lighting of Surfaces (ALiS) fixed-pixel 1080 interlacing technology, which is found in many of the company’s plasma models this year, offers a line-for-line match with live 1080i video, Whalen said. Advanced this year with less visible grid structure than competitive approaches, the technology is now called "ClearWindow" by Hitachi.

mmm most available HD source material in the 1080i format? ...

Line-on-line must be Hitachi linespeak for 1:1 pixel mapping, which is a good thing.

In any case if they display in 60i, the 60i material will retain it's "live shot look", which oftentimes gets smudged in non-über-deinterlacing 60p displays.
Be interesting to see their demos, as they developed their own special Blu-ray example

[Electric_Haggis]

Well, I and many viewers associate that "live-shot look" that the Philips TVs give, with cheap TV soaps, sit-coms, live-events and the news - not film.

Even when it works well, it gives film material a video-look that it's simply NOT supposed to have.

[baccusboy]

Originally Posted by Electric_Haggis

Well if the new Onkyo 805 has 1080/24p support....THAT'S IT! There's nothing more you could want in a receiver. Except perhaps HQV video processing, and you get that with the 875, as well as 4 HDMI 1.3 inputs !!

Didn't I hear that the Onkyo will only allow HDMI upscaling at 720p? So if you feed it something higher, it will still output at 720p.

Gotta fix that...

[Electric_Haggis]

Well that looks like being true. I guess it's really the Onkyo TX-SR875 which is more "ultimate" - it's the same as the the 805, but with 4 HDMI 1.3 inputs and HQV Reon video processing.

[HDTV1080P]

Since December 2006 the BLU-RAY format has been the exclusive format with 1080p/24 output. If you want a standalone player with 1080P/24 output the only choice is the BLU-RAY format. Well that might change in September. Toshiba has put out a press release claiming that they will be able to offer 1080P/24 output coming in early September. If and when this firmware update becomes a reality then the HD-XA2 and HD-A20 will be added to the list. It’s about time Toshiba plans on offering 1080P/24 support.

http://biz.yahoo.com/prnews/070629/nef003.html

QUOTE
“Toshiba Announces 24p Output
Coming in early September, Toshiba will add an enhanced performance function to its HD-XA2 and HD-A20 HD DVD players by offering the capability for users to update the firmware of their players allowing playback of film content in 1080p/24 frames per second, or 24p. Movie films are traditionally captured at 24 frames per second and Toshiba's HD DVD players will be able to maintain this frame rate allowing consumers to enjoy movies in their native form.”

[bferr1]

Can anyone tell me definitely whether Mitsubishi's WD65732 TV displays 1080p/24? The specs say it accepts it, but I've been told that it doesn't display it, leaving me wondering what the point of accepting that signal is in the first place.

[HDTV1080P]

Originally Posted by bferr1

Can anyone tell me definitely whether Mitsubishi's WD65732 TV displays 1080p/24? The specs say it accepts it, but I've been told that it doesn't display it, leaving me wondering what the point of accepting that signal is in the first place.

The Mitsubishi WD65732 accepts 1080P/24, 1080P/30, and 1080P/60 inputs but only refreshes at 60HZ according to everything I have read. To reduce the judder a display needs to be able to refresh 1080P/24 material at multiplies of the original frame which would be one of the following rates 48HZ, 72HZ, 96HZ, and 120HZ or higher multiplies.
If one owns only a 60HZ refresh rate display then sometimes one will get a better picture if they set the BLU-RAY player to 1080P/60 output instead of 1080P/24. It all depends on if the BLU-RAY player or the display has better 3:2 pulldown circuitry to convert 1080P/24 material to 60HZ.
I am hoping that in the future manufactories will start advertising their displays as “true 1080P/24 refresh rates”. This would make it easier for consumers. Since many companies are going to jump on the 1080P/24 input marketing but only refresh at 60HZ.