768p vs 1080p

[kpkelley]

Originally Posted by Ricshoe

I believe this is the one:

http://hdguru.com/will-you-see-all-t...exclusive/287/

Yup, that's the one. As it says it shows that plasma panels from Panasonic and Pioneer display about 90% of the lines, while 120hz lcd's dislpayed 50-60%. Even the Samsung Led backlight tv dropped to 300 lines when the motion controls were turned off due to 3:2 pulldown errors.

[My_Two_Cents]

Originally Posted by kpkelley

Yup, that's the one. As it says it shows that plasma panels from Panasonic and Pioneer display about 90% of the lines, while 120hz lcd's dislpayed 50-60%. Even the Samsung Led backlight tv dropped to 300 lines when the motion controls were turned off due to 3:2 pulldown errors.

....but this is all just opinion....right?

[dobyblue]

Originally Posted by ckent22

Actually, ABC, FOX, and ESPN broadcast in 1080i. I've even tested this.

Oh geez, now I know you don't understand resolutions.

http://abc.go.com/site/hdtvfaq.html

What are the different HD formats and how do they affect me?
ABC was on the forefront of HD programming when we decided to deliver our programming in the HD format of 720p resolution. The 720p format uses progressive scanning, just like your computer monitor. Progressive scanning offers crystal clear images as it virtually eliminates the scanning lines that are visible on most large screen televisions.

Regardless of the HD format being broadcast, all HDTVs - by law - will convert all signals so they can be viewed by your new HDTV display

http://www.fox.com/schedule.htm

Click on ANY show from Fox - they all say the following:
Bones
Jan. 7 (8:00-9:00 PM ET/PT) on FOX. (BON-401) (TV-14; D, L)
CC-HDTV 720p-Dolby Digital 5.1 PA: Viewer discretion is advised.

24
24: REDEMPTION airing Sunday, Jan. 4 (8:00-10:00 PM ET/PT) on FOX. (TWF-700A/B) (TV-14; L, V)
CC-HDTV 720p-Dolby Digital 5.1

Fiesta Bowl
TOSTITOS FIESTA BOWL airing Monday, Jan. 5 (7:30 PM-CC ET/4:30 PM-CC PT) on FOX. (SP-0921) (TV-N/A)
CC-HDTV 720p-Dolby Digital 5.1

http://sports.espn.go.com/sports/tvl...ory?id=1614556

Why Did ESPN Choose 720p versus 1080i?



ESPN chose 720p because of the "p," which stands for progressive scan technology. Progressive scan technology paints the picture on your television screen from top to bottom on a line-by-line basis&.as in lines 1,2,3,4,5,6,7, etc. Interlace technology, the "i" in 1080i, paints the picture on an every-other-line basis, first painting lines 1,3,5,7,9 and then a split second later painting lines 2,4,6,8 and 10. Your eyes then assemble the painting into one image.

Progressive scan technology produces better images for the fast moving orientation of sports television. Simply put, with 104 mph fastballs in baseball and 120 mph shots on goal in hockey, the line-by-line basis of progressive scan technology better captures the inherent fast action of sports. For ESPN, progressive scan technology makes perfect sense.

We note with interest that when consumers now shop for DVD devices which produce the best pictures, the industry standard for quality is "progressive scan DVD players." We believe that says a great deal about our selection of 720p.

However, it is important to note that 720p and 1080i are not mutually exclusive technologies. Unlike certain incompatibilities in industries like cellular telephone service, DVD's and other products dating back to VHS versus Betamax and 8-track audio tape versus cassettes, all television sets, set top boxes and tuners are required to accept a series of formats, in which 720p and 1080i are included. Therefore, no one is excluded, and consumers with sets that inherently create pictures with progressive scan technology will automatically be able to see programs that are produced in the interlace format and vice versa. Some will debate the quality of the technologies, but we believe both 720p and 1080i produce HDTV pictures of a quality far above what most consumers have experienced over the first 50 years of television. As such, all HDTV viewers win!

[PS3+HDDVD OWNER]

Originally Posted by Ricshoe

Then change your signature.


And this statement is based on what? Nice attack. I won't even justify it with a response.


I never made a blanket statement like that. The fact that everyone else on this thread has agreed that a 768p (yes, it is 768p, read-up on technology before you make yourself look even more foolish) Pany will have a better overall picture than a 1080p Insignia should be proof enough for you.


I do, every day.


Finally something we can agree on! Don't worry though. I'm sure that if you spend the next week or two researching these topics, you'll finally understand well enough to have an informed discussion some day.

Ricshoe,



For what it's worth, i'd take your 58" Panasonic TH-58PE75U ALL DAY LONG over CKent's XBR...


This thread is getting ridiculous. I 100% completely agree with the fact that the 768P Panasonic will give better picture than the 1080P Insignia. I also agree that the 768P Pioneer is a better tv than 90% of todays HDTV's on the market. Nuff Said.

[ckent22]

Originally Posted by dobyblue

Oh geez, now I know you don't understand resolutions.

http://abc.go.com/site/hdtvfaq.html



http://www.fox.com/schedule.htm

Click on ANY show from Fox - they all say the following:
Bones
Jan. 7 (8:00-9:00 PM ET/PT) on FOX. (BON-401) (TV-14; D, L)
CC-HDTV 720p-Dolby Digital 5.1 PA: Viewer discretion is advised.

24
24: REDEMPTION airing Sunday, Jan. 4 (8:00-10:00 PM ET/PT) on FOX. (TWF-700A/B) (TV-14; L, V)
CC-HDTV 720p-Dolby Digital 5.1

Fiesta Bowl
TOSTITOS FIESTA BOWL airing Monday, Jan. 5 (7:30 PM-CC ET/4:30 PM-CC PT) on FOX. (SP-0921) (TV-N/A)
CC-HDTV 720p-Dolby Digital 5.1

http://sports.espn.go.com/sports/tvl...ory?id=1614556

Then why does my set say 1080i? Please explain that to me when I watch those.

[ckent22]

Originally Posted by PS3+HDDVD OWNER

Ricshoe,



For what it's worth, i'd take your 58" Panasonic TH-58PE75U ALL DAY LONG over CKent's XBR...


This thread is getting ridiculous. I 100% completely agree with the fact that the 768P Panasonic will give better picture than the 1080P Insignia. I also agree that the 768P Pioneer is a better tv than 90% of todays HDTV's on the market. Nuff Said.

Good for you. Go join that dude in 720p land. Oh no I mean "768p" land. You want to insult me that's fine. But the 52inch XBR blows that out of the water.

[ozzman]

Originally Posted by ckent22

Some are in 1080i, but most are in 1080p. My bad for not getting it dead on. Hope you feel good about yourself for the day and you got your kicks from this.

Ckent anything you feel uncomfortable about is because you bring it on yourself i don`t type for you.

You are you own Person.
Take responsibility for yourself.

I would sit back read this thread again and take the info you have and place it in you life.

All facts have been given to you.You should feel special that so many members have join this thread to teach you something.

That's O.K we all learn at are own speed.
Just don`t be so hard headed.It makes it difficult to show you the truth

KEEP A OPEN MIND

[kpkelley]

Originally Posted by ckent22

Then why does my set say 1080i? Please explain that to me when I watch those.

Perhaps it's the setting on your cable box.

[dobyblue]

Originally Posted by ckent22

Then why does my set say 1080i? Please explain that to me when I watch those.

Because you have your cable box set to 1080i.
If you set it to 480i your TV will read "480i", it doesn't change the broadcast resolution which is 720p.

Your TV will only tell you what YOU are sending it, not what the original content was/is...no TV can do that.

Originally Posted by ckent22

You want to insult me that's fine.

He didn't.

[My_Two_Cents]

Originally Posted by PS3+HDDVD OWNER

Ricshoe,



For what it's worth, i'd take your 58" Panasonic TH-58PE75U ALL DAY LONG over CKent's XBR...


This thread is getting ridiculous. I 100% completely agree with the fact that the 768P Panasonic will give better picture than the 1080P Insignia. I also agree that the 768P Pioneer is a better tv than 90% of todays HDTV's on the market. Nuff Said.

Thanks. I agree this thread is way past ridiculous. Makes you just want to do this:

[dobyblue]

A good 768p set is better than a poor 1080p set any day of the week.

There is no documentation or tests supporting any other theory.
Everything we know as avphiles supports this assesment.

Anyone who thinks otherwise is just plainly wrong.

[crackinhedz]

Originally Posted by dobyblue

A good 768p set is better than a poor 1080p set any day of the week.

I absolutely agree 100%



wow did this thread get out of hand. Lets all just agree to disagree.