Cruel Intentions Reviewed and its AVC Codec - Blu-ray Forum

Scorxpion · 05-18-2007, 04:01 PM

Cruel Intentions Blu-ray

Cruel Intentions Blu-ray Review

SO i can see very clear from now and on AVC will be the normal codec for BD.AVC proves its superiority over MPEG2 and VC-1 .

After Open Season,Casino Royale,Chicken Little,POTC now,Cruel Intentions and many titles AVC codecs are doing marvelous job for BD.

Just keep HD-DVD Fans exclusively and Reviewers from HD-DVD biased point of view impressed and dont believe how BD is not anymore identical to HD-DVD but it exceeds it totally and differently to a new wave of technology.Called "beyond high definition"

http://www.hometheaterspot.com/fusio...hp?tid/137191/

LeoneFan · 05-30-2007, 02:40 AM

Look at the reviewer. Wait until someone who is not so much of an HDDVD shill to review the disc.

miked924 · 05-30-2007, 03:03 AM

The movie sucks anyway, a 1080p xfer won't make it any better! I still wouldn't base buying a disc on their reviews though

SixAxiS · 05-30-2007, 03:09 AM

Yeah no offense but I'd rather watch one of those really really old poorly dubbed Kung Fu movies in HD rather than Cruel Intentions on HD. I think a movie like Cruel Intentions is good enough in Standard Definition. There's no high demand for it on blu-ray. Then again, those are just my opinions.

miked924 · 05-30-2007, 03:13 AM

Yeah I'm sure they half assed it for this garbage movie. Cruel intentions are what Sony had when they actually released this movie to the public!!

teacher_man99 · 05-30-2007, 03:21 AM

I would much rather have a very nice BD version of Dangerous Liaisons (will likely be awhile, it's distributed by Warner Bros.). C'mon, who wouldn't want to watch John Malkovich covorting about with Michelle Pfeiffer, Uma Thurman and Glenn Close? Cruel Intentions was a sad little knock-off. Cruel, indeed.

J_UNTITLED · 05-31-2007, 12:30 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SixAxiS

I think a movie like Cruel Intentions is good enough in Standard Definition.

Any film is better in 1080p high definition versus 480p definition. Whether you like a film or not, one can't deny the fact that a film looks better and may sound better in HD.

JTK · 05-31-2007, 12:59 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by J_UNTITLED

Any film is better in 1080p high definition versus 480p definition. Whether you like a film or not, one can't deny the fact that a film looks better and may sound better in HD.

Truth.

juha · 06-24-2007, 09:20 PM

Nice, fun movie. A guilty pleasure, truly. Will get this as soon as possible!

But to be honest, what I can't wait for is Dangerous Liasons in BR!

J.

thebluemax · 05-31-2007, 01:38 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by LeoneFan

Look at the reviewer. Wait until someone who is not so much of an HDDVD shill to review the disc.

I read other reviews that thought the disc was really good i.e DVD file-HD Digest is very slanted towards hd-dud.

Blackraven · 06-02-2007, 09:22 AM

Story-wise, the movie did suck (almost as boring as Fracture IMO).

I would never buy such a [crappy] movie title

Ascended_Saiyan · 06-02-2007, 10:01 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Blackraven

Story-wise, the movie did suck (almost as boring as Fracture IMO).

I would never buy such a ****** movie title

But, then again, almost all titles are [crappy] to you.

NutsAboutPS3 · 06-24-2007, 01:39 PM

This movie was recently released in the UK, so I thought I'd share my thoughts on the picture quality. In my opinion, this review, which was linked to in another thread, is much more accurate:
http://www.hometheaterspot.com/fusio...hp?tid/137191/

There is no way this BD has been encoded from the same master as the DVD, I've taken photos of the TV paused on the same scene in the DVD and Blu-ray, and the Blu-ray is much cleaner as well as more detailed, suggesting that it has been remastered either from the original negatives, or from film that has been through fewer stages of copying than the master for the DVD release.

As with all movies, there is some variation throughout, depending on light levels and film used, but there are many scenes where the detail in clothing, for example, really pops out of the screen at you.

In summary, this is a good encode, and if you like the movie it's a very worthwhile upgrade from the DVD.

Blackraven · 06-26-2007, 12:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ascended_Saiyan

But, then again, almost all titles are [crappy] to you.

Seriously, cruel intentions was hell as boring as it can get. Go five steps crappier and it would be as boring as "Zodiac".

Just my opinion though but I definitely not gonna buy a crappy title such as this. I'd rather get the Pacifier instead.

Scorxpion · 05-30-2007, 07:01 AM

Peter Bracke Hates BD and whatever he is thinking of always Likes to criticize BD and destroy the Beautiful image of BD.HIGHDEFDIGEST is a website you cant count on for BD reviews this is so far my experience it is totally Biased HD-DVD.Always Likes VC-1 codec which is an inferior codec to my eyes except for Some titles released by Disney using Higher Bit rate Deja Vu and The queen.

DVDfile.com and Hometheaterspot.com review this title and it is nothing more than an acceptable results even in PQ and SQ.

Link:
http://www.dvdfile.com/index.php?opt...=6068&Itemid=3

Quote:"

The Video: How Does The Disc Look?

The film’s theatrical aspect ratio of 1.85:1 is presented in a very pleasing high definition transfer compressed with the AVC video CODEC. The disc is dual-layered and the bit rate is high, which facilitates a high level of detail. Small objects, like print on background objects that remain in the depth-of-field is quite readable. Finely grained textures, like the weave of the clothing also is clearly defined. Color accuracy is almost spot-on, with flesh tones leaning slightly toward pink as my only complaint. Bright colors are vivid without a hint of iridescence; just have a look at the flowers in a scene in the school’s chapel at the end of the film. Shadow detail during nighttime scenes is also excellent. We’re left with a fine, film-like presentation.

Do you still saying Cruel Intentions is a disappointing title? Sure its not

Another review from Hometheaterspot.com

Link:
http://www.hometheaterspot.com/fusio...m.php?fid/225/

Video:"Sony went back to a single layered disc for Cruel Intentions and dropped the AVC bitrate a little lower than what they’ve been doing with most of their encodings lately. This one appears to average right around 20mbs, which usually proves sufficient even for MPEG-2. I still couldn’t find any evidence of compression. For the most part grain is preserved naturally. There were a couple dark backgrounds where random noise looked a little inconsistent and excessive. But, it was probably the film, as shooting in low light tends to bring out emulsion. The only thing there is to question about the disc is some rare inconsistency in resolve. But, considering its age; I kind of doubt that Sony could have done much more. Like I said, detail holds up surprisingly well even against the best we’ve seen today"

What do you think now still a dissapointing one and more reviews to come

HarmonJ · 05-30-2007, 07:18 AM

Did not think the movie was that great to begin with. I think the could have spent their time putting a better movie on blu-ray.

KenThompson · 05-30-2007, 03:22 PM

In Chad I trust, Hometheater Spot and he gave it 4.5 paws. Its not a movie for me but I still read all reviews. I like to think Sony is doing it right, its their baby . I always read what Bracke has to say but don't base my opinions on quality on his remarks. If he says 4,stars then its probably better.

Scorxpion · 05-30-2007, 04:35 PM

Another Review from upcomingdiscs.com Prove that PQ of Cruel Intentions is very Good..
Link:
http://www.upcomingdiscs.com/dvd_rev...type=disc_type

Video

For this transfer, Sony went with a Blu-ray 50 GB disc (BD50) and an AVC 1.85:1 encode, averaging around 28- 32 Mbps. This transfer is nothing short of great, especially for a film now 10 years old. This film exhibited little to no film grain and the transfer was absent of any type of film debris. Much of this film involves dark or night scenes, all of which look superb as well. Flesh tones were spot-on and detail was excellent. This transfer also presented no noise to my eye, a welcomed attribute for several bright scenes in the film. Colors were absolutely stunning and vibrant with this transfer. Overall this new Blu-ray transfer is a substantial upgrade over the DVD version of this film.

Wendell R. Breland · 05-30-2007, 05:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chad Varnadore

Like I've said before, Bracke isn't reviewing Blu-ray or HD DVD. He's reviewing the inadequacies of his setup and apparently his knowledge of his trade. Arrogance is unfortunately something of a necessary prerogative for the reviewer. But with Bracke it seems more than arrogance, whether it's ignorance or something less ethical only he knows.

When viewing BD pages on that site one has to contend with the HD DVD add's. Tells me all I need to know about the site.

DrinkMore · 05-30-2007, 05:40 PM

I origional saw the title and was thinking of another movie.

Then it hit me. I have seen this movie and I loved it. Lots of twists and turns and some excellent actors. Its basically a blackmail movie.

Im kinda stoked to hear its coming to BD now

Saweet!

05-18-2007, 04:01 PM	#1
Scorxpion Blu-ray Guru Member since:Dec 2006 Location:Middle East,Lebanon Blu-ray collection:57	Cruel Intentions Reviewed and its AVC Codec Cruel Intentions Blu-ray Cruel Intentions Blu-ray Review SO i can see very clear from now and on AVC will be the normal codec for BD.AVC proves its superiority over MPEG2 and VC-1 . After Open Season,Casino Royale,Chicken Little,POTC now,Cruel Intentions and many titles AVC codecs are doing marvelous job for BD. Just keep HD-DVD Fans exclusively and Reviewers from HD-DVD biased point of view impressed and dont believe how BD is not anymore identical to HD-DVD but it exceeds it totally and differently to a new wave of technology.Called "beyond high definition" http://www.hometheaterspot.com/fusio...hp?tid/137191/ Last edited by Deciazulado; 09-01-2011 at 09:39 AM.

05-30-2007, 03:21 AM	#6
teacher_man99 Active Member Member since:Mar 2007	Dangerous Liaisons I would much rather have a very nice BD version of Dangerous Liaisons (will likely be awhile, it's distributed by Warner Bros.). C'mon, who wouldn't want to watch John Malkovich covorting about with Michelle Pfeiffer, Uma Thurman and Glenn Close? Cruel Intentions was a sad little knock-off. Cruel, indeed.

06-02-2007, 09:22 AM	#11
Blackraven Expert Member Member since:Jan 2005 Location:Makati, Philippines	Story-wise, the movie did suck (almost as boring as Fracture IMO). I would never buy such a [crappy] movie title Last edited by GoldenRedux; 06-03-2007 at 02:24 PM. Reason: language

05-30-2007, 07:01 AM	#15
Scorxpion Blu-ray Guru Member since:Dec 2006 Location:Middle East,Lebanon Blu-ray collection:57	Peter Bracke Hates BD and whatever he is thinking of always Likes to criticize BD and destroy the Beautiful image of BD.HIGHDEFDIGEST is a website you cant count on for BD reviews this is so far my experience it is totally Biased HD-DVD.Always Likes VC-1 codec which is an inferior codec to my eyes except for Some titles released by Disney using Higher Bit rate Deja Vu and The queen. DVDfile.com and Hometheaterspot.com review this title and it is nothing more than an acceptable results even in PQ and SQ. Link: http://www.dvdfile.com/index.php?opt...=6068&Itemid=3 Quote:" The Video: How Does The Disc Look? The film’s theatrical aspect ratio of 1.85:1 is presented in a very pleasing high definition transfer compressed with the AVC video CODEC. The disc is dual-layered and the bit rate is high, which facilitates a high level of detail. Small objects, like print on background objects that remain in the depth-of-field is quite readable. Finely grained textures, like the weave of the clothing also is clearly defined. Color accuracy is almost spot-on, with flesh tones leaning slightly toward pink as my only complaint. Bright colors are vivid without a hint of iridescence; just have a look at the flowers in a scene in the school’s chapel at the end of the film. Shadow detail during nighttime scenes is also excellent. We’re left with a fine, film-like presentation. Do you still saying Cruel Intentions is a disappointing title? Sure its not Another review from Hometheaterspot.com Link: http://www.hometheaterspot.com/fusio...m.php?fid/225/ Video:"Sony went back to a single layered disc for Cruel Intentions and dropped the AVC bitrate a little lower than what they’ve been doing with most of their encodings lately. This one appears to average right around 20mbs, which usually proves sufficient even for MPEG-2. I still couldn’t find any evidence of compression. For the most part grain is preserved naturally. There were a couple dark backgrounds where random noise looked a little inconsistent and excessive. But, it was probably the film, as shooting in low light tends to bring out emulsion. The only thing there is to question about the disc is some rare inconsistency in resolve. But, considering its age; I kind of doubt that Sony could have done much more. Like I said, detail holds up surprisingly well even against the best we’ve seen today" What do you think now still a dissapointing one and more reviews to come Last edited by Scorxpion; 05-30-2007 at 07:14 AM.

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05-30-2007, 02:40 AM	#2
LeoneFan Senior Member Member since:Jan 2007	Look at the reviewer. Wait until someone who is not so much of an HDDVD shill to review the disc.

05-30-2007, 03:03 AM	#3
miked924 Expert Member Member since:Feb 2007 Location:Queens, NY Home Theater Gallery:5 4K collection:295 Blu-ray collection:1038 DVD collection:22 iTunes collection:4 Prime collection:1 Blu-ray reviews:2	The movie sucks anyway, a 1080p xfer won't make it any better! I still wouldn't base buying a disc on their reviews though

05-30-2007, 03:09 AM	#4
SixAxiS Active Member Member since:May 2007	Yeah no offense but I'd rather watch one of those really really old poorly dubbed Kung Fu movies in HD rather than Cruel Intentions on HD. I think a movie like Cruel Intentions is good enough in Standard Definition. There's no high demand for it on blu-ray. Then again, those are just my opinions.

05-30-2007, 03:13 AM	#5
miked924 Expert Member Member since:Feb 2007 Location:Queens, NY Home Theater Gallery:5 4K collection:295 Blu-ray collection:1038 DVD collection:22 iTunes collection:4 Prime collection:1 Blu-ray reviews:2	Yeah I'm sure they half assed it for this garbage movie. Cruel intentions are what Sony had when they actually released this movie to the public!!

06-24-2007, 09:20 PM	#9
juha Active Member Member since:Mar 2007 Blu-ray reviews:8	Nice, fun movie. A guilty pleasure, truly. Will get this as soon as possible! But to be honest, what I can't wait for is Dangerous Liasons in BR! J.

06-24-2007, 01:39 PM	#13
NutsAboutPS3 Expert Member Member since:Apr 2007 Location:UK Blu-ray reviews:1	This movie was recently released in the UK, so I thought I'd share my thoughts on the picture quality. In my opinion, this review, which was linked to in another thread, is much more accurate: http://www.hometheaterspot.com/fusio...hp?tid/137191/ There is no way this BD has been encoded from the same master as the DVD, I've taken photos of the TV paused on the same scene in the DVD and Blu-ray, and the Blu-ray is much cleaner as well as more detailed, suggesting that it has been remastered either from the original negatives, or from film that has been through fewer stages of copying than the master for the DVD release. As with all movies, there is some variation throughout, depending on light levels and film used, but there are many scenes where the detail in clothing, for example, really pops out of the screen at you. In summary, this is a good encode, and if you like the movie it's a very worthwhile upgrade from the DVD.

05-30-2007, 07:18 AM	#16
HarmonJ Junior Member Member since:May 2007	Did not think the movie was that great to begin with. I think the could have spent their time putting a better movie on blu-ray.

05-30-2007, 03:22 PM	#17
KenThompson Power Member Member since:Sep 2006 Location:B.C. Canada	In Chad I trust, Hometheater Spot and he gave it 4.5 paws. Its not a movie for me but I still read all reviews. I like to think Sony is doing it right, its their baby . I always read what Bracke has to say but don't base my opinions on quality on his remarks. If he says 4,stars then its probably better.

05-30-2007, 04:35 PM	#18
Scorxpion Blu-ray Guru Member since:Dec 2006 Location:Middle East,Lebanon Blu-ray collection:57	Another Review from upcomingdiscs.com Prove that PQ of Cruel Intentions is very Good.. Link: http://www.upcomingdiscs.com/dvd_rev...type=disc_type Video For this transfer, Sony went with a Blu-ray 50 GB disc (BD50) and an AVC 1.85:1 encode, averaging around 28- 32 Mbps. This transfer is nothing short of great, especially for a film now 10 years old. This film exhibited little to no film grain and the transfer was absent of any type of film debris. Much of this film involves dark or night scenes, all of which look superb as well. Flesh tones were spot-on and detail was excellent. This transfer also presented no noise to my eye, a welcomed attribute for several bright scenes in the film. Colors were absolutely stunning and vibrant with this transfer. Overall this new Blu-ray transfer is a substantial upgrade over the DVD version of this film.

05-30-2007, 05:40 PM	#20
DrinkMore Banned Member since:Apr 2007 Location:That's What She Said! Blu-ray collection:140 Blu-ray reviews:7 Trading Score:3	I origional saw the title and was thinking of another movie. Then it hit me. I have seen this movie and I loved it. Lots of twists and turns and some excellent actors. Its basically a blackmail movie. Im kinda stoked to hear its coming to BD now Saweet!

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