The Incredibles (2004)

[Mandalorian]

Originally Posted by SquidPuppet

One would think that John Lasseter would have a say, no?

Didnt Pixar make their first sequel before being bought by Disney?

Me thinks Pixar enjoys the revenues just as much as Disney.

Sometimes it's the love of the characters, and pre-existing ideas that drive the sequels, not just money. But that doesn't hurt it. In Pixar's case, they can make as many sequels as they want. The Toy Story trilogy is damn near perfect all the way through.

[danman227460]

Nope. I believe Toy Story 2 was their first sequel and was forced upon them by Disney. This ended up souring their relationship and only got better after Disney bought them up in 2006.

Pixar doesn't need the revenues, they have enough money.

Pixar could have become greedy and decided to do sequels for every franchise but they don't. They do take risks.

You go compare the titles of Pixar and the titles for Dreamworks, you can tell that sequels do not form much of Pixar's line-up while for Dreamworks, sequels is what it is about.

Originally Posted by SquidPuppet

One would think that John Lasseter would have a say, no?

Didnt Pixar make their first sequel before being bought by Disney?

Me thinks Pixar enjoys the revenues just as much as Disney.

[SquidPuppet]

Originally Posted by danman227460

They at least haven't decided to over kill Toy Story and stopped at 3. Nor are they continuing to build only sequels, they have other projects lined up. Unlike Dreamworks where they overdid Shrek, plan on making HTTYD into a 6 part movie, plan on making Kung Fu Panda into a 6-9 part movie.

I'm sorry but I think I will stick to what Pixar is offering, sequels and all because they know when to say no to Disney and do plan on doing something new. I do applaud Dreamworks for Kung Fu Panda and HTTYD but I am going to be sick of those franchises like I did with Shrek pretty soon

Um, they are Disney, and we'll have to wait to see if they know when to quit.

Toy Story had three films, but Dreamworks is evil for making 4 Shreks? Doesnt make much sense to me. If you didnt like them because you thought they were poor films, thats fine. But it makes no sense to me to dislike them because of the quantity. I think Toy Story 3 proved that a third film can be as good if not better than the original.

HTTYD is six books IIRC. Not sure. I see no harm in making all of them as long as they are good. If they suck, it doesnt matter how many they make.

[danman227460]

They are NOW Disney but still operate independently of Disney. As long as John Lasseter is employed there, things shouldn't change. He is the one who said sequels will be only made if he deems a story is good enough, he isn't going to make a sequel for the sake of it like Dreamworks.

Yes, if you can't make a good sequel, you shouldn't try. They turned Shrek into a profit machine, I only liked the first one. The others, I am not fond of unlike Toy Story where I am fond of all of them and gladly will see a 4th if they ever made one which I know will never happen.

I liked HTTYD but if they make more sequels that end up being more about the money then the actual story telling, that shouldn't be the way.

Originally Posted by SquidPuppet

Um, they are Disney, and we'll have to wait to see if they know when to quit.

Toy Story had three films, but Dreamworks is evil for making 4 Shreks? Doesnt make much sense to me. If you didnt like them because you thought they were poor films, thats fine. But it makes no sense to me to dislike them because of the quantity. I think Toy Story 3 proved that a third film can be as good if not better than the original.

HTTYD is six books IIRC. Not sure. I see no harm in making all of them as long as they are good. If they suck, it doesnt matter how many they make.

[SquidPuppet]

Originally Posted by danman227460

Nope. I believe Toy Story 2 was their first sequel and was forced upon them by Disney. This ended up souring their relationship and only got better after Disney bought them up in 2006.

Pixar doesn't need the revenues, they have enough money.

Pixar could have become greedy and decided to do sequels for every franchise but they don't. They do take risks.

You go compare the titles of Pixar and the titles for Dreamworks, you can tell that sequels do not form much of Pixar's line-up while for Dreamworks, sequels is what it is about.

My point was Pixar is heading down the same path. Three Toy Stories, at least two Cars and at least 2 Monters Incs.

You are correct, Toy Story 2 was their first sequel. What makes no sense is that you say Disney forced Pixar to make it, yet Pixar was more than happy to make a third. Something doesnt add up there.

Plus, a three year gap (at least) between original films is too long IMO.

[SquidPuppet]

Originally Posted by danman227460

They are NOW Disney but still operate independently of Disney. As long as John Lasseter is employed there, things shouldn't change. He is the one who said sequels will be only made if he deems a story is good enough, he isn't going to make a sequel for the sake of it like Dreamworks.Yes, if you can't make a good sequel, you shouldn't try. They turned Shrek into a profit machine, I only liked the first one. The others, I am not fond of unlike Toy Story where I am fond of all of them and gladly will see a 4th if they ever made one which I know will never happen.

I liked HTTYD but if they make more sequels that end up being more about the money then the actual story telling, that shouldn't be the way.

How do you know that there isnt someone at Dreamworks that has the same criteria? I havent seen anyone from Dreamworks being Quoted as saying they only make them for the money. Perhaps they fell short of your expectations, or you thought they were flat out horrible, but to assume that they didnt try to make a good film (and failed) is rather presumptuous.

[Mandalorian]

I think we should be happy that they haven't started releasing 2-3 films in the same year like DW. I'm a fan of both studios, but DW seems to care more about cranking out movie after movie. HTTYD was fantastic though, and rightfully deserves a follow-up.

[danman227460]

I don't know all the spew behind it and what is said on Wikipedia could be wrong but according to them:

Toy Story 2 was commissioned by Disney as a direct-to-video, 60-minute film. Knowing the material wasn't very good, John Lasseter convinced the Pixar team to start from scratch and make it their third full-length feature film. Toy Story 3 was the second big-screen sequel when it was released on June 18, 2010. Cars 2, the studio's third theatrical sequel, is scheduled for release on June 24, 2011.

Pixar believe that sequels should only be made if they can come up with a story as good as the original. Following the release of Toy Story 2, Pixar and Disney had a gentlemen's agreement that Disney would not make any sequels without Pixar's involvement, despite their right to do so. In 2004, after Pixar announced they were unable to agree on a new deal, Disney announced that they would go ahead with sequels to Pixar's films with or without Pixar. Toy Story 3 was put into pre-production at the new CGI division of Walt Disney Feature Animation, Circle 7 Animation.

When Lasseter was placed in charge of all Disney and Pixar animation following the merger, he immediately put all sequels on hold; Disney stated that Toy Story 3 had been cancelled. However, in May 2006, it was announced that Toy Story 3 was back in pre-production, under Pixar's control when a new plot had been conceived.

At least though that there is going to be a new movie coming up and not another sequel. All Dreamworks has planned for the next 5 years is pure sequels. Puss in Boots, Kung Fu Panda 2, HTTYD 2, Madagascar 3 etc.

Originally Posted by SquidPuppet

My point was Pixar is heading down the same path. Three Toy Stories, at least two Cars and at least 2 Monters Incs.

You are correct, Toy Story 2 was their first sequel. What makes no sense is that you say Disney forced Pixar to make it, yet Pixar was more than happy to make a third. Something doesnt add up there.

Plus, a three year gap (at least) between original films is too long IMO.

Because if they did, we wouldn't have Shrek 2-4 plus Puss in Boots and the potential for Puss in Boots 2-X.

Originally Posted by SquidPuppet

How do you know that there isnt someone at Dreamworks that has the same criteria? I havent seen anyone from Dreamworks being Quoted as saying they only make them for the money. Perhaps they fell short of your expectations, or you thought they were flat out horrible, but to assume that they didnt try to make a good film (and failed) is rather presumptuous.

[danman227460]

Yes I agree and so does Kung-Fu Panda but I am going to get tired if they end up just cranking out sequel after sequel without improving the story or making it better. That is what happened with Shrek.

Originally Posted by RJ Smoove

I think we should be happy that they haven't started releasing 2-3 films in the same year like DW. I'm a fan of both studios, but DW seems to care more about cranking out movie after movie. HTTYD was fantastic though, and rightfully deserves a follow-up.

[SquidPuppet]

Originally Posted by danman227460

I don't know all the spew behind it and what is said on Wikipedia could be wrong but according to them:



At least though that there is going to be a new movie coming up and not another sequel. All Dreamworks has planned for the next 5 years is pure sequels. Puss in Boots, Kung Fu Panda 2, HTTYD 2, Madagascar 3 etc.

I am aware of how TS2 came to be. Again, my point is, Pixar is headed down the sequel path that everyone complains about Dreamworks for. And not because Disney is forcing them. Lasseter runs both ships, so he is fully OK with all the sequels.

Three years AT BEST between original films.

Dreamworks staggers releases of sequels and new movies. Megamind, HTTYD and Monsters vs Aliens helped break up the sequels.

Dreamworks' currently announced pipeline has many sequels over the next five years, but they have NOT said that there is nothing else. You can count on a few new films mixed in.

[SquidPuppet]

Originally Posted by danman227460

Yes I agree and so does Kung-Fu Panda but I am going to get tired if they end up just cranking out sequel after sequel without improving the story or making it better. That is what happened with Shrek.

But what if they do? I thought Madagascar 2 was vastly superior to the first.

Are you basing all of this on Shreck? Thats not fair. Why dont you wait and see if you enjoy Kung Fu Panda 2. Maybe they will surprise you.

[Mandalorian]

Originally Posted by SquidPuppet

But what if they do? I thought Madagascar 2 was vastly superior to the first.

Are you basing all of this on Shreck? Thats not fair. Why dont you wait and see if you enjoy Kung Fu Panda 2. Maybe they will surprise you.

I actually enjoyed Shrek 2 more than the first, and Madagascar 2 more as well. Although to be honest, I don't like either of the Madagascars very much.

[danman227460]

I see where you are going. I just find Pixar sequels more enjoyable and worth watching while hearing a Dreamwork's sequel is like getting smacked but I am excited to see Kung-Fu Panda and HTTYD.

I thought Brave was coming out next year which would be in your time frame but I'm also reading that Monster's University is due out next year and some places mention 2013.

I just hope what Dreamwork's has sprinkled in can be entertaining.

Originally Posted by SquidPuppet

I am aware of how TS2 came to be. Again, my point is, Pixar is headed down the sequel path that everyone complains about Dreamworks for. And not because Disney is forcing them. Lasseter runs both ships, so he is fully OK with all the sequels.

Three years AT BEST between original films.

Dreamworks staggers releases of sequels and new movies. Megamind, HTTYD and Monsters vs Aliens helped break up the sequels.

Dreamworks' currently announced pipeline has many sequels over the next five years, but they have NOT said that there is nothing else. You can count on a few new films mixed in.

I am. I have seen the other sequels and I did find Madagascar 2 more funny but Shrek after 2 was downhill and I have no interest in much of what they are doing with it. The Penguin spin-off has me intrigued. I am definitely excited for Kung-Fu Panda 2.

Originally Posted by SquidPuppet

But what if they do? I thought Madagascar 2 was vastly superior to the first.

Are you basing all of this on Shreck? Thats not fair. Why dont you wait and see if you enjoy Kung Fu Panda 2. Maybe they will surprise you.

[SquidPuppet]

Originally Posted by danman227460

I see where you are going. I just find Pixar sequels more enjoyable and worth watching while hearing a Dreamwork's sequel is like getting smacked but I am excited to see Kung-Fu Panda and HTTYD.

I thought Brave was coming out next year which would be in your time frame but I'm also reading that Monster's University is due out next year and some places mention 2013.

I just hope what Dreamwork's has sprinkled in can be entertaining.



I am. I have seen the other sequels and I did find Madagascar 2 more funny but Shrek after 2 was downhill and I have no interest in much of what they are doing with it. The Penguin spin-off has me intrigued. I am definitely excited for Kung-Fu Panda 2.

Just to be clear, I hated Shrek 3 as well. Didnt bother with 4. I just dont think its fair to write them off yet. Now if the others get stale too, thats a bummer.

Up 2009
TS3 2010
Cars 2 2011
Brave 2012 (we hope)

Thats three LONG years without an original.

[DVDFreaker]

I will get it when it is $15 or less, $30 is too much...

[Benchman]

I can't wait, I don't care how much I have to pay!

I hope they don't make a sequel because I think the ending was the best joke in the movie, that joke being at the end of every superhero movie, they always set up the sequel. That's just my interpretation haha

[xSCARFACEx]

This might have been mentioned before but isn't the high price due to them including a blu-ray copy, digital copy, DVD, VHS Tape and Laserdisc in the package. Just kidding about the last two but seriously I just want a single blu-ray copy wouldn't that make the price more reasonable if they did that?

[wvl]

I can't see paying 30 bucks for this movie. I have it on DVD and it is a good movie, but in my opinion, it ain't worth 30 bucks... even for blu ray.

[wvl]

Originally Posted by DVDFreaker

I will get it when it is $15 or less, $30 is too much...

Agreed!

[ArrestedDevelopment]

Originally Posted by xSCARFACEx

This might have been mentioned before but isn't the high price due to them including a blu-ray copy, digital copy, DVD, VHS Tape and Laserdisc in the package. Just kidding about the last two but seriously I just want a single blu-ray copy wouldn't that make the price more reasonable if they did that?

If Disney would simply release BD-only releases the price would definitely be lower. For some reason people are on all fours when it comes to Disney. Everyone thinks they're getting their money's worth when they get to use a ridiculous coupon on a combo pack (which lowers the price to an reasonable price that should be implemented in the first place). No matter how petty the costs, it still COSTS MONEY to produce DVDs, digital copies, inserts, etc. You're not getting anything free when you're purchasing a combo pack.