Godzilla vs. Kong (2021)

[levcore]

Which is tricky to do when you want to make these huge blockbuster movies and compete with all the other mega budget releases. I mean realistically it's hard to get them made for much cheaper.

That said the reported budget for Mortal Engines was about 100mil and that movie looks AMAZING and huge in scale, with stunning VFX.

[Predatorix38417]

Originally Posted by levcore

That said the reported budget for Mortal Engines was about 100mil and that movie looks AMAZING and huge in scale, with stunning VFX.

Wikipedia says $100-150 million so I’m guessing more on the higher-end. But that movie also lacked an A-list cast.

[Underworld54]

Originally Posted by Predatorix38417

Wikipedia says $100-150 million so I’m guessing more on the higher-end. But that movie also lacked an A-list cast.

Godzilla KOTM had an A-List cast?

[Underworld54]

Originally Posted by Aclea

Not at these budgets. They spent over $20m more making it and it grossed over $135m less than the 2014 film, on which Legendary's profit for putting up 75% was just $39.3m after marketing, distribution costs and Warners' cut (https://deadline.com/2015/03/godzill...14-1201389604/). It didn't even make it to $387m WW.

Legendary need to massively rein in their budgets if they want to stay in the kaiju business.

Originally Posted by levcore

Which is tricky to do when you want to make these huge blockbuster movies and compete with all the other mega budget releases. I mean realistically it's hard to get them made for much cheaper.

That said the reported budget for Mortal Engines was about 100mil and that movie looks AMAZING and huge in scale, with stunning VFX.

Agreed gents, slash the budget and we end up with a bore fest like the 2014 film, with poorer CGI.

[Aclea]

Originally Posted by levcore

Which is tricky to do when you want to make these huge blockbuster movies and compete with all the other mega budget releases. I mean realistically it's hard to get them made for much cheaper.

And yet Toho made Shin Godzilla for around $15m while the FX heavy Ender's Game came in for $110-115m even with Harrison Ford.

[levcore]

Lol brilliant. WB should make the next Godzilla movie with a 15mil budget.

[Dragon78]

They could make it with a 15 million budget...if they used monster suits and miniatures. I would see that if the whole movie just focused on the monsters, no human characters. Heck give it subtitles to translate the monster's language and make it like a Kung Fu/Western/Samurai movie with Godzilla as a reluctant hero joined by Mothra, Rodan, Anguirus, King Caesar, Jet Jaguar, and Baragon vs every other monster in the franchise.

[Aclea]

Originally Posted by levcore

Lol brilliant. WB should make the next Godzilla movie with a 15mil budget.

Or alternately, Legendary - who put up 75% of the cash - should go on spending $320m+ on making and marketing films that only return them and Warner Bros $160m net at the box-office (since it doesn't qualify as a Chinese co-production despite Legendary's Chinese ownership, they only kept 25% of the $135m Chinese Gross).

Kaiju films have always needed to be made economically to be viable. And as my other example, Ender's Game, showed, you don't need to spend $180m on an effects heavy picture.

[levcore]

But the CG in Ender's Game is really poor. Looks more like a computer game.

Ender's Computer Game.

[Underworld54]

American audiences wouldn't accept a boring film like Shin Godzilla.

[Himmel]

Could this be some sort of enhancement?? Or does he suffer some kind of crippling damage, and needs this to

[Show spoiler]walk, or use his atomic breath??

[JayTL]

Honestly, I'm not going to go crazy speculating what plot points a toy might have.

In fact, the less plot this movie has, the better lol

Originally Posted by levcore

I loved the movie but it lost money. It cost almost 200mil and made less than 400mil. Movies like this need to gross roughly 3 times their budget to be condidered profitable.

That's just you guessing. People just add marketing but don't add in any tax breaks, or merchandise sales. There's a lot that goes into movie production and profits, but this forum tends to just take the box office, add a random marketing number and that's that just to say a movie isn't profitable. (I'm not trying to call you out, it's just something I'm noticing more and it bugs the hell out of me lol)

[Zillamon51]

Originally Posted by KManX89

It could just be pre-production concept art or Mechagodzilla in disguise. It proves absolutely nothing.

Is there an echo in here?

Originally Posted by Synchg

they got his design all wrong then, doesnt even come close to what baby gorilla's look like. pfft

[Show spoiler]

Kong is not a Gorilla. He's a Titan, an ancient superspecies whose lifespan and physiology is greatly enhanced by radiation from deep within the Earth.

[Zillamon51]

Originally Posted by Himmel

Could this be some sort of enhancement?? Or does he suffer some kind of crippling damage, and needs this to

[Show spoiler]walk, or use his atomic breath??

[Show spoiler]Possibly a containment device, something Monarch comes up with to supress his power.

Or MG is disguised as Godzilla at some point, and this is an intermediary look.

Or getting really out there, maybe Mechagodzilla is based on nanotech, and the big G is infected / being assimilated.

[DMRI2006]

Originally Posted by JayTL

That's just you guessing. People just add marketing but don't add in any tax breaks, or merchandise sales. There's a lot that goes into movie production and profits, but this forum tends to just take the box office, add a random marketing number and that's that just to say a movie isn't profitable. (I'm not trying to call you out, it's just something I'm noticing more and it bugs the hell out of me lol)

Actually the numbers are all there, plain to see. Under no reasonable logic was this movie a success. They greenlit both this movie and KONG V GODZILLA under a certain set of expectations and KOTM didn't live up to them by any metric.

The movie barely cleared $100 mil in the US. That performance is absolutely dismal. It was basically HALF the domestic gross of the 2014 film -- and inflation would make that discrepancy even worse. That dropoff was especially significant because the studio takes more of a cut here than they do with foreign where local distributors bite into the gross. If it couldn't hit $200 mil domestic it was a failure right then and there, given what the 2014 film produced and what they spent on this. Instead it made $110 mil? Come on man, that's a HORRIBLE number for any "major tentpole franchise".

As for merch sales, the toys sat on the shelves at every Walmart I went to all year and were on clearance for $5 a few weeks ago. Sure that's just my personal experience, but I doubt they really moved a lot of that product.

Bottom line is there is no way KONG V GODZILLA would even be produced based on KOTM's numbers. We're basically getting a "bonus movie" out of the deal because KOTM was pretty much a flop given its budget.

[Zillamon51]

Regarding box office: It's worth noting once again that studio blockbusters need to make about triple their budget to become profitable. The reported budget doesn't include marketing, which can be just as big as the production budget. And movie theaters keep about 50% of ticket sales.

[JayTL]

Originally Posted by DMRI2006

Actually the numbers are all there, plain to see. Under no reasonable logic was this movie a success. They greenlit both this movie and KONG V GODZILLA under a certain set of expectations and KOTM didn't live up to them by any metric.

The movie barely cleared $100 mil in the US. That performance is absolutely dismal. It was basically HALF the domestic gross of the 2014 film -- and inflation would make that discrepancy even worse. That dropoff was especially significant because the studio takes more of a cut here than they do with foreign where local distributors bite into the gross. If it couldn't hit $200 mil domestic it was a failure right then and there, given what the 2014 film produced and what they spent on this. Instead it made $110 mil? Come on man, that's a HORRIBLE number for any "major tentpole franchise".

As for merch sales, the toys sat on the shelves at every Walmart I went to all year and were on clearance for $5 a few weeks ago. Sure that's just my personal experience, but I doubt they really moved a lot of that product.

Bottom line is there is no way KONG V GODZILLA would even be produced based on KOTM's numbers. We're basically getting a "bonus movie" out of the deal because KOTM was pretty much a flop given its budget.

My point is no one can know how successful or not a movie is unless you work for that company. That's all. And a company pays Legendary/WB to license the toys. For example lets just say NECA. If the NECA toy doesn't sell, then they don't make the money. Legendary already made the money from them. besides box office, and estimates for the budget, what numbers are "out there to see"

EDIT It's not just about this movie, but almost every thread has some sort of box office expert saying that a movie was successful or not, or how a movie is because it out grossed a different movie, etc. All I want to do is talk about a giant lizard fighting a giant monkey without people saying how opinions are dumb because half the movies gross went to AMC, but dont worry about potential tax credits, or other factors that can actually help a movie

[Zillamon51]

Originally Posted by DMRI2006

As for merch sales, the toys sat on the shelves at every Walmart I went to all year and were on clearance for $5 a few weeks ago. Sure that's just my personal experience, but I doubt they really moved a lot of that product.

One of Godzilla's biggest feats is his ability to move merch. Kaiju fandom isn't as big as Marvel or Nintendo or something, be we are invested. We love buying this stuff!

The Walmart toys' initial wave sold out quickly, was replenished, then sold and was replenished again w/ some slight updates. It's on clearance now, but it had a good run, and Playmates' new Godzilla / Kong figures have taken its place, and also appear to be selling. How this is all split up between the manufacturer, retailer, WB, Legendary, and Toho is anybody's guess.

Bottom line is they wouldn't even be making KONG V GODZILLA had they not greenlighted it before KOTM came out. We can be thankful we're basically getting a "bonus movie" out of the deal because it wouldn't have been made based on KOTM's performance alone.

This is true. I really hope GvK makes bank, because otherwise, the MonsterVerse is done.

[JayTL]

Originally Posted by Zillamon51

One of Godzilla's biggest feats is his ability to move merch. Kaiju fandom isn't as big as Marvel or Nintendo or something, be we are invested. We love buying this stuff!

The Walmart toys' initial wave sold out quickly, was replenished, then sold and was replenished again w/ some slight updates. It's on clearance now, but it had a good run, and Playmates' new Godzilla / Kong figures have taken its place, and also appear to be selling. How this is all split up between the manufacturer, retailer, WB, Legendary, and Toho is anybody's guess.



This is true. I really hope GvK makes bank, because otherwise, the MonsterVerse is done.

Same. Until the next remake 10 years later

[Predatorix38417]

Originally Posted by Underworld54

Godzilla KOTM had an A-List cast?

No but Godzilla doesn't have to (in all fairness they were trying to make Millie Bobby Brown look like the star), the name Godzilla can sell a movie right there and then. Mortal Engines is completely different, it doesn't have the same marquee title as Godzilla.