House: Two Stories (1986-1987) (Limited Edition)

[Mr Kite]

Originally Posted by Wernski

Are you suggesting people in 2016 are inherently better at mastering than people in 2010?



I just answered that. Although I'll add a bit more circumstantial evidence below...



What hard evidence do you have of that? Yeah okay, I know. You're taking it from this quote by Brooke:



But as I just got through pointing out, the 2010 DVD I was posting has not been reframed to 16x9. So his theory does not/ cannot apply to the screenshots I'm posting. It can't be a master reframed to 16:9 for TV because it's not reframed to 16:9 at all. It's in 1.85:1, just like the Arrow blu.



That particular abyss? Just for the length of that one shot. But other abysses (including the two I just pointed out in the DVDBeaver review, plus plenty more) pop up throughout the film. And are you suggesting that if giant, black abysses only appear in the film for a brief period of time that they're supposed to be there?

In all of this you are providing subjective opinion against those who have provided us with some of the best transfers ever committed to Blu Ray, (Cinema Paradiso, The Fury, Blood & Black Lace, Long Good Friday and many more) and using old material to express your point, without knowing what elements Arrow used in their transfer.

[Buttercrumbs]

Originally Posted by Donl1282

I don't have the UK set yet, how long is the House 4 brand new documentary?

I watched it last night and I think it was 30 minutes.


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[Ruined]

Originally Posted by tele1962

And as Michael B said was done correctly.

So basically Arrow could put something out on VHS Tape, but if they repeatedly insisted it was a Blu-ray, then a Blu-ray it must be? Even though it looks like a VHS Tape and won't fit in the Blu Ray player, since Arrow said it was a Blu Ray it must be our equipments fault?

Obvious problems like crew and camera equipment in shots, unfinished animation, framing not matching theatrical trailer or any past and current Blu Ray and DVD releases , list goes on and on - we cannot use critical thinking to make an assessment on the mountain of evidence that Arrow goofed multiple times on framing if Arrow says there is no problem? Lol.

[dallywhitty]

Originally Posted by Ruined

So basically Arrow could put something out on VHS Tape, but if they repeatedly insisted it was a Blu-ray, then a Blu-ray it must be? Even though it looks like a VHS Tape and won't fit in the Blu Ray player, since Arrow said it was a Blu Ray it must be our equipments fault?

Obvious problems like crew and camera equipment in shots, unfinished animation, framing not matching theatrical trailer or any past and current Blu Ray and DVD releases , list goes on and on - we cannot make an assessment on the mountain of evidence that arrow goofed multiple times if Arrow says there is no problem? Lol.

If Arrow didn't exist, I bet your post count would be next to nothing.

[Ruined]

Originally Posted by dallywhitty

If Arrow didn't exist, I bet your post count would be next to nothing.

Ah, I see now we are moving on to Ad Hominem attacks.

[Mr Kite]

Originally Posted by Ruined

So basically Arrow could put something out on VHS Tape, but if they repeatedly insisted it was a Blu-ray, then a Blu-ray it must be? Even though it looks like a VHS Tape and won't fit in the Blu Ray player, since Arrow said it was a Blu Ray it must be our equipments fault?

Obvious problems like crew and camera equipment in shots, unfinished animation, framing not matching theatrical trailer or any past and current Blu Ray and DVD releases , list goes on and on - we cannot make an assessment on the mountain of evidence that arrow goofed multiple times if Arrow says there is no problem? Lol.

I am saying provide hard evidence to the contrary instead of subjective opinion using dated unproven material as reference.

[Ruined]

Originally Posted by tele1962

I am saying provide hard evidence to the contrary instead of subjective opinion instead of using dated unproven material as reference.

Has already been done multiple times in this thread by multiple posters on multiple movies.

Some are just choosing to ignore the evidence.

[dallywhitty]

Originally Posted by Ruined

Ah, I see now we are moving on to Ad Hominem attacks.

[Mr Kite]

Originally Posted by Ruined

Has already been done multiple times in this thread by multiple posters on multiple movies.

Some are just choosing to ignore the evidence.

Sorry not seen that about multiple movies or hard evidence, i have seen lots of subjective opinion though.

My evidence comes from the guys who were involved in using the elements provided to create the Blu Ray and not from a dated DVD release or an ancient theatrical trailer.

PS
Google film gaffs, there are some very famous ones over the years.

[Ruined]

Originally Posted by tele1962

Sorry not seen that about multiple movies or hard evidence, i have seen lots of subjective opinion though.

Can you provide evidence that it was the director's intention to have crew members visible in the frame, have camera filters visible in the frame, have lighting equipment visible in the frame, and have unfinished animation visible in the frame? I am not reposting the evidence again, there is an example at the very top of this page, and there was an example in the list of time codes I posted a couple of pages ago that you replied to.

I have never heard of a director who set out to do all of those things on purpose, and screenshots were already posted in this thread multiple times that exposed all of those things as a result of Arrow's misframing on various movies. Note that the framing composition demonstrated in the theatrical trailers and past & current media releases by other companies would have avoided these goofs.

[Wernski]

Originally Posted by tele1962

In all of this you are providing subjective opinion against those who have provided us with some of the best transfers ever committed to Blu Ray, (Cinema Paradiso, The Fury, Blood & Black Lace, Long Good Friday and many more) and using old material to express your point, without knowing what elements Arrow used in their transfer.

In all of this you're dodging every point I made and question I asked. And Arrow also gave us transfers like The abeyond and Shivers, which they later offered replacement discs for, so they're hardly above errors that had to be pointed out to them by forum members. And I know the Arrow booklet saya they used the original negatives in their transfer, unless you're saying they could've been fibbing there?

[Wernski]

Originally Posted by tele1962

I am saying provide hard evidence to the contrary instead of subjective opinion using dated unproven material as reference.

The film is from the 80s; it's all "dated." Age of the transfer has nothing to do with anything.

[Mr Kite]

Originally Posted by Wernski

The film is from the 80s; it's all "dated." Age of the transfer has nothing to do with anything.

How the film elements were transferred very recently is and what those elements were, as new techniques etc come to light.

[Wernski]

Originally Posted by tele1962

PS
Google film gaffs, there are some very famous ones over the years.

Sorry, those ancient gaffs sre very dated and hence logic no longer applies to them and they have become subjective opinion.

[Wernski]

Originally Posted by tele1962

How the film elements were transferred very recently is as new techniques etc come to light.

So recent techniques have enabled new film gaffs to come to light; and since they're new, they are inherently correct. I'm starting to get it now.

[Ruined]

Originally Posted by tele1962

How the film elements were transferred very recently is and what those elements were, as new techniques etc come to light.

...or lack thereof

[Mr Kite]

Originally Posted by Wernski

In all of this you're dodging every point I made and question I asked. And Arrow also gave us transfers like The abeyond and Shivers, which they later offered replacement discs for, so they're hardly above errors that had to be pointed out to them by forum members. And I know the Arrow booklet saya they used the original negatives in their transfer, unless you're saying they could've been fibbing there?

The Beyond and Shivers were different scenarios. The Beyond is now ancient in the Arrow catalogue and not remastered to the level of today's standards, Shivers was corrected and a different scenario.

[Ruined]

Originally Posted by tele1962

The Beyond and Shivers were different scenarios. The Beyond is now ancient in the Arrow catalogue and not remastered to the level of today's standards, Shivers was corrected and a different scenario.

You are right, they are different scenarios - Arrow messed up on The Beyond and Shivers and replaced them.

In contrast, in this case Arrow messed up the framing on House, Hellraiser 3, Creepshow 2, etc, and is not replacing them.

[Mr Kite]

Originally Posted by Wernski

So recent techniques have enabled new film gaffs to come to light; and since they're new, they are inherently correct. I'm starting to get it now.

No you are accusing Arrow of creating those gaffs, i am saying what if this material is correct and the DVD release was wrong?

[Mr Kite]

Originally Posted by Ruined

You are right, they are different scenarios - Arrow messed up on The Beyond and Shivers and replaced them.

In contrast, in this case Arrow messed up the framing on House, Hellraiser 3, Creepshow 2, etc, and is not replacing them.

You keep bringing The Beyond & Shivers into this.......these were different times and releases and scenarios, as you say both corrected though.

You forgot to add IMO.