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Old 10-22-2023, 08:15 PM   #1041
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Saw it last night and loved it. As much as I enjoyed Oppenheimer, I definitely felt the last hour, but man Killers of The Flower Moon flew by. The cast of characters were fantastic and not just the main ones, the supporting cast were all excellent.

The film tackles the story of the Osage murders differently from the book. I personally didn't see an issue with this, it's a true story and you can really come at it from any angle, it's not like it is a work of fiction where diversion changes the developments.

I am surprised at the amount of derision for Leonardo Di Caprio on here. He's a good actor and was good in this, is he the best ever? Probably not, but he's not terrible.

Solid film, definitely be purchasing this if we get a Blu Ray, hopefully we do.
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Old 10-22-2023, 08:31 PM   #1042
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To think, we got this and Oppenheimer in the same year. We have been mighty lucky this year. Stunning film.
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Old 10-22-2023, 08:59 PM   #1043
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Definitely going to see this again before it leaves PLF theaters. I saw many similarities in tone and pacing to The Irishman but for whatever reason this one worked much better for me. I felt trapped in my seat during the final hour of The Irishman (and I’ve never had the motivation to revisit it even though I picked up the Criterion ages ago) but my GF and I both easily passed the no-bathroom break challenge for Killers of the Flower Moon. Compelling from beginning to end.

I guess some people are taking issue with Leo’s performance? Certainly not a showcase for him compared to something like Once Upon a Time in Hollywood and he does kind of disappear into the ensemble cast. But I don’t think it’s really intended to be “his” film even if it was kind of marketed that way.

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i think several have aged poorly. You don't see anyone talking about Gangs of New Work, Aviator, Shutter Island, even the Departed.
Of those, I’d say that only The Aviator has kind of disappeared from public consciousness. Probably depends on who you follow on social media but almost all late Scorsese films have passionate defenders bringing these films up regularly. The Departed is an especially odd choice for being a forgotten film as it’s Scorsese in full crowd pleasing mode. If anything, it gets lots of snobs going out of their way to shit on it because it’s so broadly popular.
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Old 10-22-2023, 09:19 PM   #1044
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I guess some people are taking issue with Leo’s performance? Certainly not a showcase for him compared to something like Once Upon a Time in Hollywood and he does kind of disappear into the ensemble cast. But I don’t think it’s really intended to be “his” film even if it was kind of marketed that way.
He was tremendous. It's so rare that a movie star (of which he's one of the last true ones) disappears into a role, but goddamn it that wasn't Leo on-screen. That was Ernest Burkhart.
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Old 10-22-2023, 09:36 PM   #1045
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He was tremendous. It's so rare that a movie star (of which he's one of the last true ones) disappears into a role, but goddamn it that wasn't Leo on-screen. That was Ernest Burkhart.
Rick Dalton keeps turning out such great performances after all these years. His Leo performance never ceases to amaze.

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To think, we got this and Oppenheimer in the same year. We have been mighty lucky this year. Stunning film.
Plus The Meg 2.
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Old 10-22-2023, 09:36 PM   #1046
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Also, someone mentioned how even though De Niro played the devil in Angel Heart, his William hale makes the devil seem tame. Totally agreed. It's so great to see him really operate at this level at his age.
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Old 10-22-2023, 09:39 PM   #1047
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This movie has so much in common with Gangs. When was the last time anybody talked about that movie other than to say DDL acted DiCaprio off the screen? This one will probably go down as that movie with the incredible Gladstone performance.
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Old 10-22-2023, 09:50 PM   #1048
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Just got tickets to see this in Dolby today.
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Old 10-22-2023, 10:14 PM   #1049
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I have read some negative reviews of Brendan Fraser's performance...is it that bad?
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Old 10-22-2023, 10:17 PM   #1050
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I have read some negative reviews of Brendan Fraser's performance...is it that bad?
He's fine, but barely in it.
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Old 10-22-2023, 10:58 PM   #1051
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I have a suspicion that slumcat doesn’t like Leonardo DiCaprio.
What if i don't like him? Is there a tax against not liking him?

I'm just some chump posting on the internet. Why is it interesting to you or worth commenting upon whom i like or don't like? why would you care about my opinion?
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Old 10-22-2023, 11:02 PM   #1052
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This movie is basically an arthouse film (a $200M one at that). But because of the people involved and the marketing behind it, it's exposed do a much wider audience than your typical indie movie, which will likely lead to a more polarizing response.
Imagine thinking this is an art house movie in any way. This is as mainstream as they come - big budget maximalist filmmaking. Nothing about it is indie or art house. Kinda serves actual indi movies ill to be compared with Killers - they don't have anything close to the resources that Scorsese to tell their story. Their budgets are less than the food or driver budget for Killers.
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Old 10-22-2023, 11:05 PM   #1053
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I’m so sorry… what? The Departed remains a very popular and well known movie more than 15 years after its release. It’s even referenced in the recent The Fall of the House of Usher. It’s a movie that is still brought up in conversations pretty frequently. It’s also in the IMDB top 50 which is a good indicator of “popular” movies, especially newer ones (this puts it ahead of movies like Oppenheimer and Casablanca). It’ll also likely go down as Scorsese’s only best picture and best director Oscar wins.

It’s fine if YOU don’t like it, but it’s a very popular film with an enduring legacy.

Shutter Island also remains a pretty popular and well regarded film.
Sure I guess they are popular. I guys i'm silly but I haven't equated popularity with quality ever.

When i see discussions of the great films of the 2000s, these films are never mentioned.
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Old 10-22-2023, 11:06 PM   #1054
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I have read some negative reviews of Brendan Fraser's performance...is it that bad?
He definitely stands out in a "what in the world?" kind of way since most of the acting is pretty low key, but his character has maybe 3-5 minutes of screentime so it doesnt effect the overall movie much
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Old 10-22-2023, 11:07 PM   #1055
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Imagine thinking this is an art house movie in any way. This is as mainstream as they come - big budget maximalist filmmaking. Nothing about it is indie or art house. Kinda serves actual indi movies ill to be compared with Killers - they don't have anything close to the resources that Scorsese to tell their story. Their budgets are less than the food or driver budget for Killers.
Arthouse doesn't automatically mean indie.
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Old 10-22-2023, 11:15 PM   #1056
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Arthouse doesn't automatically mean indie.
The literal definition of arthouse is theaters that show little seen limited release speciality pictures that never see wide releases - catering to a niche market.

Killers is a 250 million dollar wide multiplex release in over 3000 screens, day and date global release.

Even the makers of Killers will find it baffling when they hear it being called an arthouse film.

Maybe you think arthouse is a term of praise 😀 I can assure you it's not. It's just a signifier of the realities of its production and distribution. For what it's worth, there are plenty of terrible arthouse films every year - so "arthouse" is not a badge of honor!
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The literal definition of arthouse is theaters that show little seen limited release speciality pictures that never see wide releases - catering to a niche market.

Killers is a 250 million dollar wide multiplex release in over 3000 screens, day and date global release.

Even the makers of Killers will find it baffling when they hear it being called an arthouse film.
The definition I found (and the one I'm used to) is "a cinema which specializes in showing films that are artistic or experimental rather than merely entertaining."

But I wasn't specifically referring to KotFM, just in general.

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Maybe you think arthouse is a term of praise 😀 I can assure you it's not. It's just a signifier of the realities of its production and distribution. For what it's worth, there are plenty of terrible arthouse films every year - so "arthouse" is not a badge of honor!
Nope.
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Old 10-22-2023, 11:56 PM   #1058
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saw it friday..a very good film!
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Old 10-23-2023, 12:00 AM   #1059
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The thing is, if we're looking at a 'warts and all' perspective of history, we must remember the Osage were a feared, war-centric tribe who dominated their region supported by considerable acts of violence against their fellow indigenous tribes, and also that the Osage received some measure of justice from the very same government, and people, which sought to conquer and control their people and resources.

That's the history of humanity right there, conquer or be conquered, and the race, region, ethnicity, country of origin, and every other label one seeks to apply to serve their self-interest, or 'side,' is simply window dressing.

Our capacity to commit acts of violence to serve our self-interest, often extreme, is who we are as humans, and how we know that we are all equals.

It's also true that we are capable of great compassion and a desire to seek the truth, and if possible, do what is right, even for those we may not hold as equals or perhaps enemies, past or present.

These lessons are the centerpiece of the book, Killers Of The Flower Moon by David Grann, and while may have to wait until I see the film for myself to find these lessons, something tells me I may have to look very hard to find it.
To be fair, the utterly countless portrayals of Native American tribes in general as violent, "war-centric", conquering peoples in Hollywood films alone for the greater part of a century has the image so deeply embedded in the American consciousness, it's pretty well impossible for anyone from the past several generations to forget. The trouble is when the depictions are so relentlessly one-sided and absent of any nuance or complexity--i.e., your trademark Hollywood representation of anything requiring actual study or thought--understanding of history itself is made a complete botch-job. (Even actual American history books took many, many decades to begin scrubbing away the whitewash.) This legacy of willing ignorance has left such a vacuum in our culture, we're only in the past few decades just beginning to infuse it with the suppressed stories, subcultures, and perspectives that could easily fill another century of cinema.

That this has come during a particularly bad time in the development of popular media, as giant conglomerates are swallowing up independent voices wholesale, profit-hungry shareholders are smothering creative opportunities, and our culture is so inundated with distractions and anxieties about wealth-inequality, has only further complicated and handicapped attempts at addressing this vacuum in ways that do these complex, harrowing subjects the justice they deserve. For a very brief time during the New Hollywood period, when the money men at the top had been forced to temporarily yield control to artists determined to puncture the old comforting lies and produce works for audiences primed to question the status quo, there was hope that American movies could actually become a means of expanding our grasp of the human condition in all its thorny respects. Unfortunately, mindless entertainments on one side and injudicious creatives who'd lost the plot and strayed into nihilism and narcissim on the other, swiftly quashed this promise of a future, more adult Hollywood cinema. In its wake, we have conditions that become less congenial with each passing year for legitimately sophisticated artistic statements of any kind, including those that attempt to recreate history on the screen.

As such, at least as far as Hollywood product goes, "entertainments" like Killers of the Flower Moon that have elite (still usually white) names attached to them, do occasionally grant us an opportunity to get at something a bit more substantial, edifying, and thought-provoking that what we can typically expect from the corporatized "dream factory"; for all their inevitable shortcomings. Scorsese's filmization was doomed from the start, simply by virtue of the money talents involved and the sources of financing behind it, from ever becoming the cinematic document we need shedding brilliant, transcendent light on the Osage Indian Murders of the 1920s. What we got in the end is still likely better than the telling we deserve, though, and has earned my (limited, but sincere) plaudits, at any rate.
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I have read some negative reviews of Brendan Fraser's performance...is it that bad?
I thought he did what he was supposed to. Some slight spoilers. But still being vague. His first scene he shouts his lines and it seems to surprise people, but I think of him as an attack dog for a character so he is supposed to be loud and aggressive.
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