Sleepy Hollow 4K UHD (1999)

[cheez avenger]

Sleepy Hollow would also be one of those films that you must only watch at night in a dark room, with zero ambience light coming through. My copy should arrive tomorrow, but I will most likely not be watching it in the daytime at all.

[oddbox83]

Originally Posted by acopola

Here is a link to this very sites own review. It mentions black crush. I have a Philips 4K TV set to HDR Movie. I would love to have a flagship TV, because maybe HDR would be less problematic for films that have a darker look.

https://www.blu-ray.com/movies/Sleep...ld%20Blu%2Dray.

I think I'm reading that a different way. The review isn't saying the HDR is crushed, just that stylistically the grade teeters on the edge of it in places. By intention.

But yep, a dark HDR grade with lots of shadows is going to challenge a TV that struggles with near-black nuance in HDR. Clearly your player is doing a better job at SDR conversion than the TV is with it's own HDR tone mapping.

This would be an example where DV would help if your TV had had it by the sounds of it - DV basically tells the TV how it should be tone mapping a given scene.

[WhiskeyGnome]

Originally Posted by Surge92

I didn't pre-order it because, when possible, I prefer to handpick the movies I buy. The problem is that I completely forgot the 4K was coming out on the 5th, and when I realized it two days later, the steelbook was virtually sold out at all the Best Buys near me. I don't have any regrets, though, especially since I didn't have to cough up the money all at once. The steelbook arrived today, by the way, in mint condition, so I'm a happy camper.

As a side note, I got the Unbreakable 4K steelbook when it first came out, so I didn't spend a fortune on that one.

Let's not forget you are supporting these POS scalpers. It happens. But try and not do that very often please.

I too forgot about the release. Somehow it was kicked off my Amazon list, and before I knew it too late. Kinda sucks but whatever. I am absolutely not paying a scalper a dime for it.

[Surge92]

Originally Posted by WhiskeyGnome

Let's not forget you are supporting these POS scalpers. It happens. But try and not do that very often please.

I too forgot about the release. Somehow it was kicked off my Amazon list, and before I knew it too late. Kinda sucks but whatever. I am absolutely not paying a scalper a dime for it.

Believe me, I don't make a habit out of buying overpriced OOP movies on eBay, but this is one of my favorite films, so I had to have it. One good thing about eBay, though, is that I can ask questions about the item and make sure it's mint before I buy it.

[acopola]

Originally Posted by oddbox83

I think I'm reading that a different way. The review isn't saying the HDR is crushed, just that stylistically the grade teeters on the edge of it in places. By intention.

But yep, a dark HDR grade with lots of shadows is going to challenge a TV that struggles with near-black nuance in HDR. Clearly your player is doing a better job at SDR conversion than the TV is with it's own HDR tone mapping.

This would be an example where DV would help if your TV had had it by the sounds of it - DV basically tells the TV how it should be tone mapping a given scene.

Yes indeed. I see what you mean and it makes sense. Though initially I phrased it badly, my original intention to post was for those with cheaper sets like my one, it would be better to turn off the HDR.

If I had the money for a top of the range OLED my experience with HDR would have been better with this title in particular. My next TV will be a mini led until OLED in 75 inch comes down in price.

But I am happy that at least for now I get a great 4K transfer which looks how I remember it at the cinema all those years ago.

For what it is worth, The Mask Of Zorro on 4K with HDR looked incredible on the same TV.

[grape_jelly]

Originally Posted by WhiskeyGnome

Let's not forget you are supporting these POS scalpers. It happens. But try and not do that very often please.

I too forgot about the release. Somehow it was kicked off my Amazon list, and before I knew it too late. Kinda sucks but whatever. I am absolutely not paying a scalper a dime for it.

Oh hush

If people can afford it, they will buy it. If they wont, then someone else will

Is what it is

[NoFro]

Originally Posted by cheez avenger

Sleepy Hollow would also be one of those films that you must only watch at night in a dark room, with zero ambience light coming through. My copy should arrive tomorrow, but I will most likely not be watching it in the daytime at all.

That's all films, no?

[cheez avenger]

Originally Posted by NoFro

That's all films, no?

No. Especially when it has dark palette like that. I wouldn’t watch it in daylight just like I wouldn’t watch something like The Crow in daylight. That’s just for example. You do you.

[Kyle15]

I don't watch anything in a well lit room. TV is calibrated for dark and near-dark as it should be. Never had any issues with contrast or lost shadow detail.

[HeavyHitter]

In my opinion, the overall transfer - the black, shadows, and color grade were what I would consider gorgeous. They felt spot on or what I would expect. The only nitpicking I could consider would be with a few sequences around compression and/or grain management, but even that I found that rather subtle for very brief moments and almost not even worth mentioning. And then the audio - some of which sounds incredible. This disc is one of Paramount's best handled catalog titles I've seen.

[hagios]

Will the steel come back to order anytime soon?

[bigdaddyhorse]

Originally Posted by hagios

Will the steel come back to order anytime soon?

To quote Casino:
"What no one outside the factory could've known..."

Last week I would've said yes, now I have no idea but it's looking kind of unlikely.

[BluFan24]

I just finished this and was very happy with what I saw. Now I just need my other 1999 Johnny Depp favorite, The Ninth Gate on 4k.

[cochon]

Originally Posted by hagios

Will the steel come back to order anytime soon?

Unlikely, it might get released in other countries but it will have ratings ruining the artwork.

[WhiskeyGnome]

Originally Posted by grape_jelly

Oh hush

If people can afford it, they will buy it. If they wont, then someone else will

Is what it is

Nah, I won't hush. Scalpers are terrible, and you are a terrible person for thinking it's okay is a supply-constrained market.

There is a reason the prices are so high and hardly anybody bites on 50% of the merch. Because a lot of people aren't stupid and stupidly rich.

[Kyle15]

Originally Posted by WhiskeyGnome

Nah, I won't hush. Scalpers are terrible, and you are a terrible person for thinking it's okay is a supply-constrained market.

There is a reason the prices are so high and hardly anybody bites on 50% of the merch. Because a lot of people aren't stupid and stupidly rich.

Drink a glass of water

[Witherfall]

Originally Posted by oddbox83

I think I'm reading that a different way. The review isn't saying the HDR is crushed, just that stylistically the grade teeters on the edge of it in places. By intention.

But yep, a dark HDR grade with lots of shadows is going to challenge a TV that struggles with near-black nuance in HDR. Clearly your player is doing a better job at SDR conversion than the TV is with it's own HDR tone mapping.

This would be an example where DV would help if your TV had had it by the sounds of it - DV basically tells the TV how it should be tone mapping a given scene.

Currently watching this on my C9, and Dolby Vision isn't helping in the ways you would expect.

So many crushed black scenes in a film that has lots and lots of black and near black levels.

One particularly easy way to see this is in the graveyard scene in chapter 7 when Depp is walking towards the screen and has his handkerchief hanging low. The front of his suit has white, pinstripe highlights going down it on either side from the top of his neck area all the way down to the bottom of his overcoat. They all but completely vanish everywhere other than the upper most section around his neck on the right side. Force SDR and suddenly you can see around 75% of the stripes returning.

I am viewing in a completely darkened room on a TV that was professionally calibrated and also have TGP turned off.

I doubt the way it looks with Dolby Vision on an OLED is the "director's intent" either. OLEDs are notoriously bad with near black handling. While some models handle this much better than others, I don't think it will actually ever be solved until we get affordable consumer MicroLED TVs.

This just seems like a necessary evil right now. Dolby Vision generally looks better with most content, and even when it sometimes crushes blacks, the overall contrast of what you are seeing on screen is still more pleasing (to me) than what SDR can do. This movie in particular though is extremely challenging.

For another film that seems to have "funny things" done to the image with Dolby Vision, check out the movie Fall. SDR actually makes daylight look like it should, yet with Dolby Vision the entire movie looks like it's just barely post-dawn if not entirely overcast, when it should be a bright sunny day. The overall picture is very pleasing, but in a completely unnatural way.

[Better in Blu]

Originally Posted by cochon

Unlikely, it might get released in other countries but it will have ratings ruining the artwork.

Orbit DVD is showing it in stock.

[witheygull]

Originally Posted by Better in Blu

Orbit DVD is showing it in stock.

They have the UK version of the steelbook, but that has the rating logo on the front which is the issue raised by the post you quoted. If Orbit (or anyone else) has the U.S. steelbook available to order at non-scalper prices, please share a link and you will be showered with praise.

[MifuneFan]

Originally Posted by cochon

Unlikely, it might get released in other countries but it will have ratings ruining the artwork.

Originally Posted by witheygull

They have the UK version of the steelbook, but that has the rating logo on the front which is the issue raised by the post you quoted. If Orbit (or anyone else) has the U.S. steelbook available to order at non-scalper prices, please share a link and you will be showered with praise.

The ratings logo is a sticker

Sleepy Hollow 4K UltraHD Blu-ray Fabelo steelbook unboxing - YouTube