Physical & Digital EST: The Future of Home Video Discussion Thread

[JohnAV]

Originally Posted by flyry

So you really think a network that is spouted as 20 times faster than home internet connections and "feature-length HD movies can be downloaded faster than you can read this sentence" will really yield SD resolution?

Please stop you sound more foolish with each post

The reason wireless companies are pitching 5G is two fold, its a backup to running out of cell capacity in crowded metro areas, and secondly to offer a faster connection if your in range instead of switching off their network to WiFi access point.

You might find this article insightful.

Spectrum, which is measured in megahertz, is the fundamental building block for every generation of mobile networking from analogue networks to 4G. But after the 4G revolution kicked off with the advent of LTE, spectrum has become particularly important for creating powerful mobile data networks. You can think of spectral frequencies as lanes on a highway. Just as a highway with more lanes can handle more cars, a network with more spectrum can handle more connections or more mobile traffic. The total traffic a network can carry at any given moment is known as its capacity, and networks with higher capacity generally support higher speeds. But just like highways, networks are shared infrastructure. If there are too many users on them vying for capacity, everyone is forced to slow down. That’s one of the major trade-offs in mobile networking.

For instance, let’s say we have an LTE cell tower with 100 Mbps of total capacity. Theoretically that tower could supply a single user with a fat 100 Mbps connection or it could divide that capacity among 10 users, simultaneously providing each of them a 10 Mbps connection. If you double the number of users to 20, those connection speeds drop to 5 Mbps and so forth. But suppose we double the amount of spectrum used by our cell tower? We’d wind up doubling our capacity, and suddenly we could supply those 20 users each with a 10 Mbps connection.

Operators constantly engage in a balancing act between speed and capacity as the more users they have on their networks the more they compete for resources. If their networks become too congested, they often look for more spectrum to increase their capacity, which not only allows them to support more users but improve the performance of everybody’s 4G connection. If no spectrum is available for the taking, they still have options. They can add capacity into the network by building more cell towers, which essentially allows them to use the same spectrum in more locations. That’s why we’re starting to hear more about the concept of “small cells” lately. By creating ever denser clusters of cells, operators can cram more users onto their networks in high-demand areas without sacrificing connection speeds.

This remind one of how fast or slow cable networks used to be until these same providers updated their older DOCSIS 3.0 to new 3.1 infrastructure.

Now just a metro 4G LTE shared internet access speeds can become increasingly slower with higher loads, this 20 times better with 5G coverage also suffers from the same weaknesses. Eventually get enough traffic on 5G capable cell tower and it necessitates more 5G cell towers to be implemented.

There is a solution, but I doubt most wireless companies desire to work together which is shared cell tower usage as they do in EU areas.

[octagon]

Originally Posted by Steedeel

You have to put it in context. We are discussing HT and our hobbies as film enthusiasts. Digital v disc and the pros and cons of each in relation to HT, now and in the future. We arent the masses in that regard.

So when you said convenience (laziness) was the new buzzword of the 21st century you were referring to us home theater/film enthusiasts?

Originally Posted by Steedeel

Have a look at the HDR discussion thread. Another guy thinks the same as me about digital providers and wireless 5G being a way to force short form content down our throats and move us away from longer form such as films and long tv episodes.

People are starting to wake up, shouldn’t you guys?

Originally Posted by Steedeel

All I am saying is others are noticing it too now. It’s not just the ramblings of a mad man like some think it is.

So now there are two mad men standing on street corners rambling about the end of the world?

That hardly seems like cause for alarm. And I have a hard enough time waking up with an alarm, let alone without one.

Originally Posted by Steedeel

Are you honestly saying this incredibly well funded new short form premium service wouldn’t cause ripples if it was a big success?

I'm confused. Are you predicting ripples or the fundamental devastation of all we hold dear?

Cause one of those predictions might be reasonable.

The other?

Not so much.

[JohnAV]

Originally Posted by octagon

So now there are two mad men standing on street corners rambling about the end of the world?

Only one 4K title in your collection what are you worried about? Jabbing you because you included me in your comment!

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by octagon

So when you said convenience (laziness) was the new buzzword of the 21st century you were referring to us home theater/film enthusiasts?





So now there are two mad men standing on street corners rambling about the end of the world?

That hardly seems like cause for alarm. And I have a hard enough time waking up with an alarm, let alone without one.



I'm confused. Are you predicting ripples or the fundamental devastation of all we hold dear?

Cause one of those predictions might be reasonable.

The other?

Not so much.

End of the world? No! End of the world for adoring film fans? Maybe.

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by Groot

Nah man, folks like HBO gonna cut off their show revenue, accessories revenue, toy merch, clothing, household goods and other items so they can make short form content. Who needs to sell millions of Funko pops when they can just make short videos that'll please the masses. In 10 years we'll solve the housing crisis by building properties out of recycled flat screen parts as everyone is gonna toss them outside and scream hellllls yeahhhhh when they pick up their 5 inch iPhone/Samsung/Whatever and watch their 10 minute tv episode before falling asleep on their bean bags (we don't need couches in the living room now either! obsolete! same with beds - why have a bed when a bean bag will do?) with some rehashed fanta drinks sitting on a destroyed LCD turned into nightstand.

Like I said, people will still binge watch. They will just be doing it in ten minute chunks or less.

[Vilya]

Originally Posted by Steedeel

End of the world? No! End of the world for adoring film fans? Maybe.

There is not enough pot in the world to make me that paranoid. If I was ten times as stoned right now as I ever had been in my youth, you could not scare me with this fiction. Sorry, but feature length movies have been around for more than a century and there is absolutely no indication that they are in any danger whatsoever. They were being made long before us and they will continue to be made long after us.

[octagon]

Originally Posted by JohnAV

Only one 4K title in your collection what are you worried about?

What am I worried about...let's see...

I have to scrape a popcorn ceiling (and a few walls) in the house I just moved into and it might or might not contain asbestos. I mailed a sample to a testing lab and I should know in a week or so.

Other than that, meh, I'm pretty good.

Originally Posted by JohnAV

Jabbing you because you included me in your comment!

So you're the guy in the HDR thread who thinks digital providers and wireless 5G are a way to force short form content down our throats and move us away from longer form such as films and long tv episodes?

Good to meet you.

[Groot]

Originally Posted by Steedeel

Like I said, people will still binge watch. They will just be doing it in ten minute chunks or less.

Probably. I heard ADHD is actually a virus from drinking soda and we all have it and it's triggered when we watch long-form media entertainment.

[octagon]

Originally Posted by Steedeel

End of the world? No! End of the world for adoring film fans? Maybe.

Keep us posted

[octagon]

Originally Posted by Groot

Probably. I heard ADHD is actually a virus from drinking soda and we all have it and it's triggered when we watch long-form media entertainment.

tldr

[Vilya]

Originally Posted by Steedeel

Like I said, people will still binge watch. They will just be doing it in ten minute chunks or less.

People have been binge watching very short videos on websites like youtube and others, and with multiple devices, for over a decade and, yet, we still have an abundance of traditional episodic television and full length films.

Your predictions rank among the silliest I have ever read. And why are they all bad? Is there nothing that inspires you or gives you hope? Your fearful outlook seems stressful and depressing. I hope you are happier than you sometimes appear.

I am excited to see what is in store for movies, TV shows, and the technology we use to enjoy them. I always have been. I have already seen what were once unimaginable improvements in all of the above and more wondrous developments are coming- I feel absolutely sure of it.

[JohnAV]

Originally Posted by octagon

So you're the guy in the HDR thread who thinks digital providers and wireless 5G are a way to force short form content down our throats and move us away from longer form such as films and long tv episodes?

Good to meet you.

Same, but naaa I didn't discuss that only that 5G is not the wonder that the wireless industry claims and I threw in part about mobile providers are more interested in content being in short chunks then a larger file download. You can interpret that as programming content availability to be more like how mobile participants can tolerate on those small screens.

Reference Groots recent comment:

Originally Posted by Groot

yeahhhhh when they pick up their 5 inch iPhone/Samsung/Whatever and watch their 10 minute tv episode before falling asleep on their bean bags

I would too the screen is way too small and the audio performance is crap, anyone that is into this hobby would fall asleep with that as a entertainment source.

[octagon]

Originally Posted by Vilya

People have been binge watching very short videos on websites like youtube and others, and with multiple devices, for over a decade and, yet, we still have an abundance of traditional episodic television and full length films.

Forget Youtube - I've been watching short form content my entire life.

Think about the various cartoon series we grew up with. A lot of them were basically animated variety shows. You had your main Rocky and Bullwinkle serial storyline sprinkled in with your Dudley Do-Right and your Mr. Peabody and your Fractured Fairy Tales. All that was over the course of a half hour that was also packed with commercials.

And speaking of variety shows, what was Laugh In? Hee Haw? Hell, what about Saturday Night Live? A monologue and a bunch of five minute skits broken up by a few musical numbers?

I love short form content and I always have

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by JohnAV

Same, but naaa I didn't discuss that only that 5G is not the wonder that the wireless industry claims and I threw in part about mobile providers are more interested in content being in short chunks then a larger file download. You can interpret that as programming content availability to be more like how mobile participants can tolerate on those small screens.

Reference Groots recent comment:

I would too the screen is way too small and the audio performance is crap, anyone that is into this hobby would fall asleep with that as a entertainment source.

You did. Clear as crystal in the HDR thread. . Don’t feel the need to change your tune due to what others think.

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by octagon

What am I worried about...let's see...

I have to scrape a popcorn ceiling (and a few walls) in the house I just moved into and it might or might not contain asbestos. I mailed a sample to a testing lab and I should know in a week or so.

Other than that, meh, I'm pretty good.



So you're the guy in the HDR thread who thinks digital providers and wireless 5G are a way to force short form content down our throats and move us away from longer form such as films and long tv episodes?

Good to meet you.

One single exposure to asbestos, I think you will be ok. It’s generally people exposed to those conditions over a duration of time who are most at risk I believe. Also it can take anywhere from 10 to 40 years to start developing symptoms.
Where I live, we were famous for building some of the finest ships in England. Some of my family worked in those yards and many of their friends too and back then, the regulations didn’t exist for Asbestos so (imo) Asbestos related conditions are rife amongst the elderly. That’s true of a lot of builders and decorators too of course.

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by octagon

Keep us posted

Always.

[alchav21]

Originally Posted by Steedeel

5G is irrelevant to resolutions. It’s just another connection. I would think a 5G mobile future would be SD anyway or maybe 720p (low bitrate)

Originally Posted by flyry

So you really think a network that is spouted as 20 times faster than home internet connections and "feature-length HD movies can be downloaded faster than you can read this sentence" will really yield SD resolution?

Well this Thread has died off, the only thing that makes sense is having more Bandwidth. I keep saying with enough Bandwidth Streaming Quality will reach the levels you guys want. The only thing is that most people can't even get 25Mbps. Here is an Article from DSLReports on pathetic Broadband:

https://www.theregister.co.uk/2018/0...ter_broadband/

I say we need Gigabit Fiber and 5G, for Streaming to succeed!

[Vilya]

Originally Posted by alchav21

Well this Thread has died off, the only thing that makes sense is having more Bandwidth. I keep saying with enough Bandwidth Streaming Quality will reach the levels you guys want. The only thing is that most people can't even get 25Mbps. Here is an Article from DSLReports on pathetic Broadband:

https://www.theregister.co.uk/2018/0...ter_broadband/

I say we need Gigabit Fiber and 5G, for Streaming to succeed!

A very interesting article that only further reinforces why I will not allow myself to become dependent upon an ISP to watch movies and TV shows. I do not trust them.

Sure, the ISPs could deliver more bandwidth, but they do not seem in any hurry to do so except in those markets that they deem to be the most lucrative- that leaves a lot of us out in the cold.

I, too, live in an area where the only broadband provider has a complete monopoly. They get away with having unreliable service, stingy data caps, and high prices because they know perfectly well that they have everyone here over the proverbial barrel. The only other options here are 12 Mbps DSL, satellite, mobile, or no service at all. Ironically, my cell phone service is far more dependable; it's not as fast, but it rarely goes out.

Even if streaming content providers ever do offer bitrates equal to the equivalent disc format, I do not want to be reliant upon an unaccountable monopolistic ISP for my video entertainment. ISPs can only be relied upon to do one thing: raise your rates, either by outright service price hikes, more restrictive data caps, or a charming mix of both.

No thank you; I will stick with physical media. I will retain my flaky internet service for what it allows me to do best: shopping for discs globally- and for posting comments on these forums.

[stonesfan129]

Yes bandwidth will reach those levels inevitably. Whether customers will pay what ISPs are charging for it is another story.

[Wendell R. Breland]

Originally Posted by stonesfan129

Yes bandwidth will reach those levels inevitably. Whether customers will pay what ISPs are charging for it is another story.

There is no incentive for the content providers (Netflix, Amazon, VUDU, Hulu) to increase their file sizes. Would just increase their storage and data transport cost, the incentive for them is smaller file sizes, not larger. So far this year Netflix alone accounts for 40% of all internet download usage. If interested, click here for an Netflix article that has a lot of links to other info.

Folks really need to get past this streaming A/V is/will equal the quality of UHD Blu-ray or Blu-ray disc. The streaming content providers know they only need to have similar quality to that of pay TV providers (satellite and cable).