Physical & Digital EST: The Future of Home Video Discussion Thread

[veritas]

Originally Posted by Groot

That’s awesome. I’ll be sure to write in my suicide note that it was Apple taking my digital copy of Clash of The Titans away that finally did me in.

Na I am sure you will be fine you already made it to acceptance I am pretty sure a thief could steal your wallet and you would say thank you for taking the time sir I got my moneys worth out of that wallet so its fine Or perhaps you would go oh well its just things with your movie Buddhist enlightenment

[Groot]

Originally Posted by veritas

Na I am sure you will be fine you already made it to acceptance I am pretty sure a thief could steal your wallet and you would say thank you for taking the time sir I got my moneys worth out of that wallet so its fine Or perhaps you would go oh well its just things with your movie Buddhist enlightenment

Yeah. Maybe he can rape me too and I can thank him for the free sex.

[Bk_Tan]

Originally Posted by Groot

I got personal stuff I’d care if I lost, but insignificant stuff like digital copies or music or whatever isn’t something I can’t easily replace. I’d set my entire disc collection on fire if it meant having my grandma back, even for a day, so nah I don’t value this stuff deeply nor find enjoying digital a problem. I love film, but the effort to complain to Apple over the loss of one or two items isn’t worth my time when I could easily find it again or just accept it as gone.

Great quote- but missing the point.

Exaggerating with "day with grandma" is also irrelevant as you wouldn't find much anyone who would disagree with that.

You're fine to have your own beliefs and values but then if you're commenting on an issue, at least understand it first.

Originally Posted by Groot

Oh, I agree that it would suck for stuff to get pulled. I'm not saying that. All I'm going with is if before it got MIB'd from my collection that I got my monies worth, I'm not going to dwell on it or demand compensation.

The point is not whether you have "got your money's worth" yet.

The rights that the company holds is that they can pull product at anytime after you have bought it. It doesn't matter whether you have leased it or bought it.

Sometimes to make a point, we have to go to the extremes, and this is it:

You press "BUY" and expect to watch the film, however, at the very same time, the company pulls access. You have just paid money for nothing.

Originally Posted by octagon

If you bought a twenty dollar toaster and five years later it stopped working would you sue the manufacturer or just go buy another toaster?

You have missed the point. Refer above for the proper example.

[Groot]

That’s an equally stupid analogy. If you paid cash and never got the product you’re entitled to a refund. Digital or not. Even payment processing companies have TOS relating to this.

And please don’t tell me how to understand an issue. Few things piss me off more than a man telling me how to think about something.

[Bk_Tan]

Originally Posted by Groot

That’s an equally stupid analogy. If you paid cash and never got the product you’re entitled to a refund. Digital or not. Even payment processing companies have TOS relating to this.

And please don’t tell me how to understand an issue. Few things piss me off more than a man telling me how to think about something.

Whether you are a man or a woman is irrelevant to this issue.

No, the analogy I gave is the only one in this thread that matters.

I don't care about digital vs physical, the issue is that the right of the company is that it can pull product whenever it desires to after you have paid for it.

At the point of sale, the "BUY" button, the product was available and you got the product once the sale has proceeded, then the company decides to pull it.

Please explain to me how this is not the issue.

People who are adding whether or not they've watched it yet, redeemed it, how long after it takes for it to be pulled, whether or not they care about the movies in question etc is all noise and irrelevant.

If you agree that the company has a right to pull product when they feel like it, then they have every right to pull it before you have watched it.

[The_Donster]

WOW, I find it interesting that you’ve not posted in the forum in over 2 years and land on this thread by chance Bk? Riiiiggghhht!

[Bk_Tan]

Originally Posted by The_Donster

WOW, I find it interesting that you’ve not posted in the forum in over 2 years and land on this thread by chance Bk? Riiiiggghhht!

I am unsure as to what you are insinuating.

If you want me to be upfront, I am pretty anti-corporate.

So I jumped onto this topic because it seems to be another example of a corporation, whether it is the studio or Apple, taking advantage of the consumer in a reprehensible way.

In general, people need to stand up to corporations more because the latter consistently prove themselves to be unreliable, dishonest and manipulative.

Why I chose to respond to those specific posters is because that kind of attitude encourages corporations to do this more. I'm not asking you to stake your happiness out on a refund of a movie you can't remember buying, but this kind of apathy is exploitable. On a larger and more relevant scale, it is basically repeated in politics.

The declining involvement of voters in democratic nations causes the erosion of democracy itself because those who are in power benefit from less people taking them to task.

So back on-topic, if the practice is not right, then the least you could do is oppose it. You don't have to put in any effort to do so, as others might, but to shrug shoulders and accept it, well, that's what our society is like today. It's what gives you Flint. It's what gives you Grenfell Tower.

[Groot]

Originally Posted by Bk_Tan

Whether you are a man or a woman is irrelevant to this issue.

No, the analogy I gave is the only one in this thread that matters.

I don't care about digital vs physical, the issue is that the right of the company is that it can pull product whenever it desires to after you have paid for it.

At the point of sale, the "BUY" button, the product was available and you got the product once the sale has proceeded, then the company decides to pull it.

Please explain to me how this is not the issue.

People who are adding whether or not they've watched it yet, redeemed it, how long after it takes for it to be pulled, whether or not they care about the movies in question etc is all noise and irrelevant.

If you agree that the company has a right to pull product when they feel like it, then they have every right to pull it before you have watched it.

Well, I am blessed you took the time to share those eye opening views.

Given there’s already laws about delivery of digital products your post is stupid.

But yay, anti-corporate. Keep on sticking it to the clubs you can’t get in.

[octagon]

Originally Posted by Bk_Tan

I'm not asking you to stake your happiness out on a refund of a movie you can't remember buying, but this kind of apathy is exploitable.

So?

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by octagon

So?

So? Are you for real?

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by The_Donster

WOW, I find it interesting that you’ve not posted in the forum in over 2 years and land on this thread by chance Bk? Riiiiggghhht!

Why wouldn’t he post? It’s not exclusive.

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by Groot

That’s an equally stupid analogy. If you paid cash and never got the product you’re entitled to a refund. Digital or not. Even payment processing companies have TOS relating to this.

And please don’t tell me how to understand an issue. Few things piss me off more than a man telling me how to think about something.

Groot, sarcasm pisses me off but you still do it.

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by octagon

There's nothing hypocritical about being okay with digital ownership of games but not movies. It's some of the 'don't thread on me, live free or die' rhetoric that gets a little dicey consistency-wise.

If my opposition to digital ownership of movies is based on the fact that I just don't like the terms then there's nothing necessarily hypocritical about turning around and accepting those same terms from a game company. It's ultimately no different than saying I'd pay forty bucks for a good steak but I'd never pay that much for a burrito.

If, however, my opposition is a matter of principle and I'm opposed to the very idea of companies arbitrarily cutting off access to products I've paid for then yeah, I would probably have a harder time tacking 'well, except for games' at the end of those proclamations.

So all these issues with games, happen with movies? So in effect you guys are finally admitting that those things are a major concern? It’s just that many have denied it for the last few years.

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by flyry

Sure...

Is 240p the future in your bipolar book today?

No but it looks horrific on a large screen. It’s rare but it can happen.

also, bipolar is nothing to mock. It’s an horrific mental illness.

[Steedeel]

Sooooo......let’s get back to losing access to digital films. I like that topic.

I can’t believe people in another thread are acting shocked about this. In my opinion, it was obvious from day one this was going to happen. The law needs to be changed.

[Steedeel]

Just ordered my 50 batch of Blu-rays for next year. All safely in my grasp nearly.

[Dynamo of Eternia]

Originally Posted by Steedeel

So all these issues with games, happen with movies? So in effect you guys are finally admitting that those things are a major concern? It’s just that many have denied it for the last few years.

I've been saying that it's an issue with both for quite some time. While others have been dismissive about it when it comes to movies, you've been dismissive about it when it comes to games. So in effect you aren't much better in that regard.

I'm not saying that you personally have to care about games as much as movies. But you keep focusing in on your individual preferences and use that to argue this overall issue as a whole, and it results in a lot of hypocrisy on your part. You get upset when people don't share your concerns when it comes to movies, but then when someone points out the same issue with games, you dismiss it as a non-issue because it is not that important to you. It's like being really really concerned about the idea of your house ever catching fire and burning down, and you get upset when others don't share the same concern about YOUR house, but then when someone else's house is burning, you shrug it off because it is not your house and you don't know that person very well.

[Dynamo of Eternia]

Originally Posted by Steedeel

Just ordered my 50 batch of Blu-rays for next year. All safely in my grasp nearly.

And I recently obtained by releases for this week like a normal functioning movie collector.

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by Dynamo of Eternia

And I recently obtained by releases for this week like a normal functioning movie collector.

Normal functioning? Please go on.

[Steedeel]

You know you guys cant post without insulting can you? Not normal functioning and bipolar. Really scraping the barrel. Well done.