Star Wars Wars the UOT Strikes Back and OTHER PEZ dispensers

[gregmasciola]

Originally Posted by shelldweller

I´s say to consider yourself a fan of "misery" for example... you should at least like the whole book.


(Misery is a good example of the crazy "first generation" fandom that´s going on here by the way.)

You can't compare Star Wars to MISERY!!!

[whaleman]

Originally Posted by Jay444

Best. Thread. Ever.

Got to admit, a sick part of me hopes that one film from each trilogy has a 'green tint' when they released....LOL

As long as the tint is what "George Lucas intended".

[Vashetti]

Originally Posted by Jay444

Best. Thread. Ever.

Got to admit, a sick part of me hopes that one film from each trilogy has a 'green tint' when they released....LOL

It will probably be Phantom Menace because that one draws the most criticism.

Or Empire because it seems to be the favourite.

[whaleman]

Originally Posted by octagon

Star Wars has just been compared to the Cubs.

If Star Wars is the Cubs, would George Lucas be Steve Bartman?

Bartman couldn't restrain himself and ended up reaching into play and costing the Cubs an out in a key playoff game, resulting in him being villified by Cubs fans, but welcomed by Marlins fans.

Lucas couldn't restrain himself and made a lot of unnecessary changes to the OT, resulting in him being villified by OT fans, but welcomed by PT fans.

Thus PT fans are Marlins fans, and the Marlins are terrible.

[Cook]

Originally Posted by shelldweller

Of course you can criticize something that you are a fan of. I never said anything like that. I got your point. My point is that there is a reason why Star Wars turned out the way it did. It´s because Lucas wants it that way. You can either like it or you don´t. Watch it or don´t watch it. Buy it, don´t buy it ...

All I am asking for is respect for ALL of the films and George Lucas. You know the guy who invented it all and who is the only one to decide if it is the way it is meant to be or not.

It´s not about the term "fan"! It´s about people who think they have some kind of say on something they have nothing to do with just because they bought a movie theater ticket thirty years ago.

Yeah, but had no one bought movie tickets thirty years ago he wouldn't have been able to make the other films. Had ANH been lazy storytelling, unengaging, or just mediocre in general it wouldn't have sold. He worked hard on that film, and he was rewarded. The door swings both ways. Without him we wouldn't have gotten ANH, but without us he wouldn't have been able to make any of the others. A story doesn't live if no one reads it or watches it. This goes for any piece of art whether it be film, literature, etc. The artist creates art not just for his or herself.

[Dynamo of Eternia]

Originally Posted by shelldweller

Obviously you don´t have any knowledge on how creative processes work....

I may not be an inside-out expert on it, but I know more about it than you give me credit for. I realize that plans change along the way. That doesn't bother me. It's just that when asked about it, it would be nice if the guy could be upfront about it.

besides, could you quote any of your accusations?

Challenge accepted!

Regarding the 3 trilogies and Lucas's later denial of it:

Here is a Time magazine article from 1983 describing Lucas's plans for a prequel and sequel trilogy (note that the description of the prequel trilogy is actually in line with what was actually made):

http://www.time.com/time/magazine/ar...3916-3,00.html


Here is a 'Film Threat' interview with Gary Kurtz, the producer on ANH and TESB, towards the end he is asked about the 3rd trilogy and he says what he knows of the plans from that time:

http://www.filmthreat.com/interviews/8/


And here is a Vanity Fair article with George Lucas denying that plans for a 3rd trilogy ever existed:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/entertainment/249825.stm

[P@t_Mtl]

Originally Posted by Jay444

Best. Thread. Ever.

Got to admit, a sick part of me hopes that one film from each trilogy has a 'green tint' when they released....LOL

Please!!!!

This could be the most perfect release in the history of Blu-ray, everything right, sound, picture, everything done right and you know very well this thread would still be full of people (we know exactly who they are and they know who they are ) that this Blu-ray release sucks!!!!

There is no way to win in this day and age, people love to complaint all day long about how things are just horrible and how their live's are ruined because of it

And please don't come here saying "all he as to do is release the OT" because you know very well most of you would still complaint about something else anyway

[Chordata]

Originally Posted by P@t_Mtl

Please!!!!

This could be the most perfect release in the history of Blu-ray, everything right, sound, picture, everything done right and you know very well this thread would still be full of people (we know exactly who they are and they know who they are ) that this Blu-ray release sucks!!!!

It could also be the most horrid release in the history of Bly-ray, everything wrong, sound, picture, everything done wrong and you know very well this thread would still be full of people (we know exactly who they are and they know who they are ) that this Blu-ray release rules!!!!

[whaleman]

Originally Posted by O_V_N

It could also be the most horrid release in the history of Bly-ray, everything wrong, sound, picture, everything done wrong and you know very well this thread would still be full of people (we know exactly who they are and they know who they are ) that this Blu-ray release rules!!!!

I love this thread

[Jay444]

Originally Posted by P@t_Mtl

PlAnd please don't come here saying "all he as to do is release the OT" because you know very well most of you would still complaint about something else anyway

"All he has to do is release the OT!"



You soooo knew I was going to do that...LOL

[P@t_Mtl]

Originally Posted by O_V_N

It could also be the most horrid release in the history of Bly-ray, everything wrong, sound, picture, everything done wrong and you know very well this thread would still be full of people (we know exactly who they are and they know who they are ) that this Blu-ray release rules!!!!

I know who they are of course, it's not difficult at all

[P@t_Mtl]

Originally Posted by whaleman

I love this thread

You keep saying that but I don't think you really mean it

[whaleman]

Originally Posted by P@t_Mtl

You keep saying that but I don't think you really mean it

I do. Why else would I be on here every day?

[Dynamo of Eternia]

Originally Posted by shelldweller

Obviously you don´t have any knowledge on how creative processes work.... besides, could you quote any of your accusations?

In addition to my previous post replying to the above quote, I thought I'd post futher proof of Lucas's contradictions:


http://savestarwars.com/lucasspeecha...aledition.html

This is a link to an article from Savestarwars.com about George Lucas's 1988 speech that has been brought up a few times about movies being colorized. It actually goes MUCH deeper than just that single issue. If you read what he said, you will see that much of what he has done in years since almost completely contradicts what he was preeching at that time.

[The Apocalypse]

Originally Posted by whaleman

If Star Wars is the Cubs, would George Lucas be Steve Bartman?

Bartman couldn't restrain himself and ended up reaching into play and costing the Cubs an out in a key playoff game, resulting in him being villified by Cubs fans, but welcomed by Marlins fans.

Lucas couldn't restrain himself and made a lot of unnecessary changes to the OT, resulting in him being villified by OT fans, but welcomed by PT fans.

Thus PT fans are Marlins fans, and the Marlins are terrible.

So, I must have terrible taste for liking the PT? I think not. The problem is a lot of people here and everywhere, myself probably included, push their POV onto others as the truth, which Obi-Wan says "depends a great deal on our own point of view". I love both trilogies to a great degree, and nobody is going to take my love of the Saga away from me. I do respect those who are critical of the SE's and PT, I think it's great they have those views because it's good to analyse the legacy of the Star Wars saga, and their views certainly count in the legacy of it all. But again, I love all the films, always and forever (doesn't mean I always agree with Lord Lucas)

[P@t_Mtl]

Originally Posted by Dynamo of Eternia

In addition to my previous post replying to the above quote, I thought I'd post futher proof of Lucas's contradictions:


http://savestarwars.com/lucasspeecha...aledition.html

This is a link to an article from Savestarwars.com about George Lucas's 1988 speech that has been brought up a few times about movies being colorized. It actually goes MUCH deeper than just that single issue. If you read what he said, you will see that much of what he has done in years since almost completely contradicts what he was preeching at that time.

You see that is just not fair at all! Everyone can change their mind, even more so as you become older, your views change, your opinion changes, your taste changes. Even you I am sure no longer act and think as you once were when you were 17 or 27.....

What is not fair is that you can change your mind with no consequences, your entire life is not being recorded, your every words not being send back at you 20 years later. Imagine that everything you said when you were 20 could now be used against you

[P@t_Mtl]

Originally Posted by EclipseSSD

So, I must have terrible taste for liking the PT? I think not. The problem is a lot of people here and everywhere, myself probably included, push their POV onto others as the truth, which Obi-Wan says "depends a great deal on our own point of view". I love both trilogies to a great degree, and nobody is going to take my love of the Saga away from me. I do respect those who are critical of the SE's and PT, I think it's great they have those views because it's good to analyse the legacy of the Star Wars saga, and their views certainly count in the legacy of it all. But again, I love all the films, always and forever (doesn't mean I always agree with Lord Lucas)

These are words of wisdom. Too many in here are trying to be right, there is no right or wrong there is only our own personal opinion of these movies.

[whaleman]

Originally Posted by EclipseSSD

So, I must have terrible taste for liking the PT? I think not. The problem is a lot of people here and everywhere, myself probably included, push their POV onto others as the truth, which Obi-Wan says "depends a great deal on our own point of view". I love both trilogies to a great degree, and nobody is going to take my love of the Saga away from me. I do respect those who are critical of the SE's and PT, I think it's great they have those views because it's good to analyse the legacy of the Star Wars saga, and their views certainly count in the legacy of it all. But again, I love all the films, always and forever (doesn't mean I always agree with Lord Lucas)

That post was not to be taken seriously It was comparing the PT to the Florida Marlins and GL to Steve Bartman

[bboisvert]

Originally Posted by P@t_Mtl

You see that is just not fair at all! Everyone can change their mind, even more so as you become older, your views change, your opinion changes, your taste changes. Even you I am sure no longer act and think as you once were when you were 17 or 27.....

Which, actually, is all the more reason not to go back and change works of art you created in your 30s when you're in your 60s.

Aldous Huxley wrote this in a forward to a later edition of Brave New World:

Chronic remorse, as all the moralists are agreed, is a most undesirable sentiment. If you have behaved badly, repent, make what amends you can and address yourself to the task of behaving better next time. On no account brood over your wrongdoing. Rolling in the muck is not the best way of getting clean.

Art also has its morality, and many of the rules of this morality are the same as, or at least analogous to, the rules of ordinary ethics. Remorse, for example, is as undesirable in relation to our bad art as it is in relation to our bad behavior. The badness should be hunted out, acknowledged and, if possible, avoided in the future. To pore over the literary shortcomings of twenty years ago, to attempt to patch a faulty work into the perfection it missed at its first execution, to spend one's middle age in trying to mend the artistic sins committed and bequeathed by that different person who was oneself in youth-all this is surely vain and futile. And that is why this new Brave New World is the same as the old one. Its defects as a work of art are considerable; but in order to correct them I should have to rewrite the book-and in the process of rewriting, as an older, other person, I should probably get rid not only of some of the faults of the story, but also of such merits as it originally possessed. And so, resisting the temptation to wallow in artistic remorse, I prefer to leave both well and ill alone and to think about something else.

[The Apocalypse]

Originally Posted by whaleman

That post was not to be taken seriously It was comparing the PT to the Florida Marlins and GL to Steve Bartman

Ah, alright then. , although I think my message to the thread still stands somewhat. It's good to see a wide variety of opinions on this obviously very divisive matter.