Nintendo Switch 2 Main Thread - Launching 2025

[Jay Mammoth]

Hope they put up preorders soon. I want to do the midnight launch with my daughter.

[heyadol]

Originally Posted by ps3bd_owner

What happens when a game gets delisted and you insert its Game Key Card on the Switch 2? It'd be pretty bad if you paid for it and nothing happened at all.

I guess you could get a refund.

That's an interesting question. Physical games shouldn't be affected by digital games being delisted, and digital purchase continue to allow redownload after being delisted from the store (but there is inevitably a limit on how long a server will be accessible). I suppose this could be the best and worst of both business models.

As far as refunds, I guess it depends on the physical retailer's policy. Not sure how many would accept a refund after years of owning a game key card of digital access is removed, this seems unlikely.

[logboy]

i'm guessing nintendo will have to introduce a different cartridge size for developers bringing games across from other platforms. anyone trying to put a large game out as a key card, especially at $80, will find their sales low. most would be waiting on another edition that drops in price.

i don't mind the bowser statement about buying the older machine instead; it was always intended they coexist, and the negative atmosphere that has resulted from the fumbled announcement has spun this to look worse than it was likely to have otherwise. i do still think the game prices are the biggest barrier, and i prefer the confidence of knowing you'll sell at a scale that's higher if you make things more accessible.

[ZombAid]

Let's face it: Which game can you really still publish physically and get the full game on that medium? When was the last time you got a complete Game on a PS5 disc? I think the Key Card is a perfect solution to a problem that is not changeable anymore. Street Fighter 6 is even named Year 1 & 2! What happens when Year 3 and 4 are released? An update has to be downloaded and the game isn't complete anymore.

Now let's look at the economic side of this. The Switch 2 has new cartridges that have a faster reading speed, which makes them more expensive in production, especially at the beginning. I do think that this is a factor that is calculated into the variable price strategies that they've put in place. I'm not a fan of this method, especially for games like Bravely Default, which shouldn't get too much DLCs, but it's a thousand times better than a Code-in-a-Box-BS.

Nintendo ripped off the band-aid with MKW and it's 80$/90€ price tag, but we knew it had to come with all the rampant inflation around the world and this being the newest console that has to stay on the market for at least the next 7 years and has to be profitable in the long run. (GTA VI and 100$ says hello!)

Furthermore, Game development got really expensive and you can see that with MS and Sony, whom cannot hold their exclusive games exclusive anymore, as the budget ballooned so astronomically, that even 5 Million copies sold at 70 bucks isn't feasible anymore and puts them in the red. Nintendo doesn't want that and it would be their death sentence if they'd go 3rd-Party.

The price for the console also seems fair to me. If you look into the pc aftermarket, where you can "snatch" a 7 year old graphics-card for 250$ and how these chips just don't fall in prices anymore as they used to, we're stuck with ever rising prices of these high quality chips.

What would have happened if Nintendo raised the prices midgen for all games? Can you imagine the backlash that would erupt? Nintendo made some strange moves in terms of communication, but I think they're doing most things right here.

[Jay Mammoth]

Originally Posted by ZombAid

Let's face it: Which game can you really still publish physically and get the full game on that medium? When was the last time you got a complete Game on a PS5 disc? I think the Key Card is a perfect solution to a problem that is not changeable anymore. Street Fighter 6 is even named Year 1 & 2! What happens when Year 3 and 4 are released? An update has to be downloaded and the game isn't complete anymore.

Now let's look at the economic side of this. The Switch 2 has new cartridges that have a faster reading speed, which makes them more expensive in production, especially at the beginning. I do think that this is a factor that is calculated into the variable price strategies that they've put in place. I'm not a fan of this method, especially for games like Bravely Default, which shouldn't get too much DLCs, but it's a thousand times better than a Code-in-a-Box-BS.

Nintendo ripped off the band-aid with MKW and it's 80$/90€ price tag, but we knew it had to come with all the rampant inflation around the world and this being the newest console that has to stay on the market for at least the next 7 years and has to be profitable in the long run. (GTA VI and 100$ says hello!)

Furthermore, Game development got really expensive and you can see that with MS and Sony, whom cannot hold their exclusive games exclusive anymore, as the budget ballooned so astronomically, that even 5 Million copies sold at 70 bucks isn't feasible anymore and puts them in the red. Nintendo doesn't want that and it would be their death sentence if they'd go 3rd-Party.

The price for the console also seems fair to me. If you look into the pc aftermarket, where you can "snatch" a 7 year old graphics-card for 250$ and how these chips just don't fall in prices anymore as they used to, we're stuck with ever rising prices of these high quality chips.

What would have happened if Nintendo raised the prices midgen for all games? Can you imagine the backlash that would erupt? Nintendo made some strange moves in terms of communication, but I think they're doing most things right here.

Exactly, people would have been crying “bait and switch” if they increased the
Game prices mid gen.

[heyadol]

Originally Posted by Jay Mammoth

Exactly, people would have been crying “bait and switch” if they increased the
Game prices mid gen.

Prices aren’t guaranteed so “bait and switch” would be hyperbole if prices go up. It’s still crap though. According to Nintendo, they aren’t setting a new pricing standard, that’s just PR though since the pricing will end up being the standard once they sell millions of copies…

In an interview with The Post, Nintendo of America’s president breaks down the company’s “variable pricing” approach for its new games.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/enter...o-doug-bowser/

[Jay Mammoth]

Originally Posted by heyadol

Prices aren’t guaranteed so “bait and switch” would be hyperbole if prices go up. It’s still crap though. According to Nintendo, they aren’t setting a new pricing standard, that’s just PR though since the pricing will end up being the standard once they sell millions of copies…



https://www.washingtonpost.com/enter...o-doug-bowser/

I didn’t say it would be bait and switch, but i know people would have been crying that it was.

[Talal86]

Originally Posted by ZombAid

Furthermore, Game development got really expensive and you can see that with MS and Sony, whom cannot hold their exclusive games exclusive anymore, as the budget ballooned so astronomically, that even 5 Million copies sold at 70 bucks isn't feasible anymore and puts them in the red. Nintendo doesn't want that and it would be their death sentence if they'd go 3rd-Party.

Sony and Microsoft are in no way struggling to make profit.

[Steelmaker]

Christ, if this is true, consider my hype for Switch 2 nearly dead!

https://www.gamesradar.com/platforms...console-plans/

[logboy]

Originally Posted by ZombAid

Furthermore, Game development got really expensive and you can see that with MS and Sony, whom cannot hold their exclusive games exclusive anymore, as the budget ballooned so astronomically, that even 5 Million copies sold at 70 bucks isn't feasible anymore and puts them in the red. Nintendo doesn't want that and it would be their death sentence if they'd go 3rd-Party.

this part of the situation concerns me the most. only a few months since widespread talk of an industry crash due to inflated development costs, where it was clear (but not widely stated) that nintendo's approach for the last thirty years was the wisest way. they prioritised gameplay over graphics, didn't push budgets, didn't have a crunch, drip released games and kept prices firm rather than discounting. now third parties can essentially infect the switch 2 with games that will be close to PS4 / PS5 visuals, rather than the bold relatively-simplified look nintendo goes for. i hope it doesn't crash more developers, or overshadow or corrupt nintendo's approach. the machine needs to survive many years, hence the specs and pricing for hardware at this higher level and software price for MKW which looks high now and likely oddly cheap in a few years even if it doesn't drop.

[bhampton]

Originally Posted by Steelmaker

Christ, if this is true, consider my hype for Switch 2 nearly dead!

https://www.gamesradar.com/platforms...console-plans/

Awful. Seems like they would have to go out of their way to make it like that.

[Diesel]

Originally Posted by Steelmaker

Christ, if this is true, consider my hype for Switch 2 nearly dead!

https://www.gamesradar.com/platforms...console-plans/

Your hype for a new console was based on using one specific 25 year old controller design?

[Diesel]

They really need to get their messaging together…

In a statement to Vooks, a Nintendo spokesperson has said:

That physical versions of Nintendo Switch 2 Edition games will include the original Nintendo Switch game and its upgrade pack all on the same game card (i.e. they are exclusively Nintendo Switch 2 game cards, with no download code). Alternatively, some publishers may release Nintendo Switch 2 Edition games as download codes in physical packaging, with no game card.

https://www.vooks.net/nintendo-confi...oogle_vignette

If this is true then why the unnecessary text blurb on the boxes that makes it seem the exact opposite is true?

[dyne]

Originally Posted by ps3bd_owner

What happens when a game gets delisted and you insert its Game Key Card on the Switch 2? It'd be pretty bad if you paid for it and nothing happened at all.

I guess you could get a refund.

Has there ever been a case where a game gets delisted and folks who bought it can no longer download it (aside from when storefronts go down for good and they give you months to do so)? Don't the titles usually just become unavailable to new customers but still available to old?

Originally Posted by Diesel

Your hype for a new console was based on using one specific 25 year old controller design?

It's Steel. He'll either walk it back by saying he misread it or it's his usual hyperbole.

[ZombAid]

Originally Posted by Talal86

Sony and Microsoft are in no way struggling to make profit.

They aren't?
Why the PC ports of God of War and Forza on PS5? Because the games cost too much in development for one console!

[Diesel]

Originally Posted by dyne

Has there ever been a case where a game gets delisted and folks who bought it can no longer download it (aside from when storefronts go down for good and they give you months to do so)? Don't the titles usually just become unavailable to new customers but still available to old?



It's Steel. He'll either walk it back by saying he misread it or it's his usual hyperbole.

Didn’t Ubisoft do that for The Crew?

[dyne]

Originally Posted by Diesel

Didn’t Ubisoft do that for The Crew?

Your guess is as good as mine. Point being that it's probably a lot less than most would think.

[Diesel]

Originally Posted by dyne

Your guess is as good as mine. Point being that it's probably a lot less than most would think.

That's the only example I could think of and I'm not even 100% sure that's how it went down without looking up the story again. Every other time it's been the case that redownloads are possible to my knowledge.

[ps3bd_owner]

Originally Posted by Steelmaker

Christ, if this is true, consider my hype for Switch 2 nearly dead!

https://www.gamesradar.com/platforms...console-plans/

There is a lot of disappointment around NS2, the game prices, the $10 interactive manual, no Lite and/or OLED model, etc. And they still went with digital triggers than analog triggers.

On the Wii U the GCN controllers did work with Wii U games even if not flawlessly due to lack of a shoulder button. I actually played MK8 a lot with a WaveBird controller way back.

Nintendo has changed and not for the better.

[ps3bd_owner]

Originally Posted by ZombAid

They aren't?
Why the PC ports of God of War and Forza on PS5? Because the games cost too much in development for one console!

To gather more customers than remain in one platform only, they are businesses after all and getting more customers is what they want.

I'm glad we'll have Forza Horizon on PS5 since Sony killed DriveClub.