Star Wars: The Skywalker Saga 4K UHD (1977-2019)

[stvn1974]

If only the technology existed in 1977 to have Greedo say "maclunkey" or have Darth Vader yell "no, noooooooooooooooooooooo" in 1983. Stop picking on George.

[starmike]

So you're telling me that George couldn't put rocks in front of Artoo until recently? Not buying it (or any other excuses).

Macklunky...

[Roonan]

Originally Posted by philthehip

I can only speak for myself but I think that is absolute rubbish. Lucas is a self obsessed asshat. He has found a way to be his own little God and that is all it comes down to, which is demonstrated by the quote you proudly have on your comments.

Who can argue against such a grounded and substantiated argument? /s

I didn't know that having an artist having the independence to have a say on things he created and defending that same basic right for everyone else is "being self obsessed asshat" and nothing but having "found a way to be his own little God".

I wonder if you're that careless about your own stuff and if I could make the same ad hominem attacks against you and throw a childish temper tantrum every time you choose to edit your photos, or paint your house, or change your living room, etc...

Originally Posted by philthehip

So basically what he is saying is that it is Ok in his eyes for a director/musician/author to tinker and change a creation, but the studio, those folks that put hundreds of millions (in the case of movies at least) into getting most of these projects off the ground should what?

They should profit with the publishing and distribution of that work, of course. Which they do.

The studios fund artists and their projects, they don't create. This isn't news for you, I hope.

Originally Posted by philthehip

and why fans have to rely on some other fans to be able to watch the original SW trilogy becasue Lucas is such a control freak and actively stops fans from enjoying the originals.

I hate to burst your bubble, but how the movies look like, the ability to revisit them, and the moral rights of an artist is not about you, or any of us. What you want is irrelevant. It's about how he wants his movies to look like and how he wants them to be seen. He happens to care about how his works are presented. Some people probably don't mind having thousands of versions of their work on the shelf, others (like Lucas) care enough to present to people only the version that better reflects his artistic intent.

Originally Posted by philthehip

He knows that fans want the originals, but what he wants is far more important.

Well, yes, what he/the artist wants is far more important. As it should be.

Originally Posted by philthehip

A billionaire getting off on the control. He is a dick!

Someone is certainly behaving like one.

[philthehip]

Originally Posted by Roonan

I wonder if you're that careless about your own stuff and if I could make the same ad hominem attacks against you and throw a childish temper tantrum every time you choose to edit your photos, or paint your house, or change your living room, etc...

What a ridiculous argument. Just ridiculous. No one has siuggested he not make changes, which you know well enough.

Originally Posted by Roonan

I hate to burst your bubble, but how the movies look like, the ability to revisit them, and the moral rights of an artist is not about you, or any of us. What you want is irrelevant. It's about how he wants his movies to look like and how he wants them to be seen. He happens to care about how his works are presented. Some people probably don't mind having thousands of versions of their work on the shelf, others (like Lucas) care enough to present to people only the version that better reflects his artistic intent.

Stop apologising for him, please. Maybe if he cared so much he should have refunded all the people he took money fom to see three movies that were so woefully unfinished.

As for him caring about how his movies are presented, he works in the entertainment business, as in entertain the viewers. Anyone who knows that fans are clamouring for the original versions and restricts the ability to view them because he has such integrity, thinking he knows what fans want better than they. You keep defending that, I will still to my opinion that is a dick.

Originally Posted by Roonan

Well, yes, what he/the artist wants is far more important. As it should be.

What fans want is far more important. I expect faceless corporate stakeholders to act like Lucas has, not a creator. He should be honoured that people want to see the original movies, instead he uses it as a powertrip.

Take care.

[Farerb]

The problem with the "artist argument" is that Lucas didn't work on these films alone, there were other artists whose work has been changed or erased by Lucas.

[Roonan]

Originally Posted by philthehip

What a ridiculous argument. Just ridiculous. No one has siuggested he not make changes, which you know well enough.

You've thrown insults left and right for him having done just that, and for not doing what you want.

Originally Posted by philthehip

Stop apologising for him, please. Maybe if he cared so much he should have refunded all the people he took money fom to see three movies that were so woefully unfinished.

Refund for what? Took money from whom? We all got what we payed for. Nobody is being owed.

Originally Posted by philthehip

As for him caring about how his movies are presented, he works in the entertainment business, as in entertain the viewers. Anyone who knows that fans are clamouring for the original versions and restricts the ability to view them because he has such integrity, thinking he knows what fans want better than they. You keep defending that, I will still to my opinion that is a dick.

You keep doubling down pretending that what fans want (Which fans? Each one of us has our own preferences) is part of the equation. It's not.

Filmmakers, and all artists for that matter, make movies for themselves, first and foremost. They hope to have an audience, that said audience appreciates their work, but their order of business is not "what do they want?". That's for corporate productions, like The Farce Awakens.

Filmmakers create something that hopefully there's an audience for, that it resonates with. Star Wars was fortunately one of those cases, and still is. Hence why it was a success for decades and why all the home video releases are best-sellers.

Originally Posted by philthehip

What fans want is far more important. I expect faceless corporate stakeholders to act like Lucas has, not a creator.

No, what fans want is not far more important. It might be to those "faceless corporate stakeholders" you mentioned, who would happily use Lucas's works and their various iterations to get your money, like they do with all others.

Lucas, on the other hand, cares about his works and thus prefers to exercise his artistic independence and integrity.

And as far as I'm concerned, more filmmakers should have that ability. The ability to revisit their work and to have a say on how its presented.

Originally Posted by Farerb

The problem with the "artist argument" is that Lucas didn't work on these films alone, there were other artists whose work has been changed or erased by Lucas.

That's quite literally no problem whatsoever. Who said he worked on the films alone? He didn't, but he was the architect, the artist in charge. All the other artists were working for him, to do what he wanted. Even the directors hired for Empire and Jedi were working for Lucas. They knew that when they took the job. And no artist that works for a film is entitled to have their work not changed or preserved. Otherwise no scenes could be cut, no prop or set could be exploded, etc. That's a ridiculous premise. Those decisions are the privilege of the filmmaker.

[bobbyh64]

Originally Posted by Roonan

Or because his changes better reflect his intent, which is all it has always been about and all there is to it, no matter how many times people in their pettiness mock or try to paint his revisions in a negative light. Lucas doesn't revisit his movies for our approval. He does it for himself, to better convey what he wants. Wether we like his changes or not has always been irrelevant.

I wouldn’t be so quick to discredit fan approval. It seems with certain changes Lucas made a compromise in an attempt to please both himself and fans. For the Han Greedo scene the first special edition had Greedo clearly shooting first, then the second version had Greedo still shooting first but with Han returning fire much faster, then the third version had them shooting at the exact same time. He can’t make up his mind who he wants to shoot first. With the fourth version he kept it the same but added in Maclunkey, possibly as a warning to Han and justification for him to move his head so quickly and fire at Greedo ASAP. It’s hard to say what Lucas’s intent was because it kept changing.

[HD Goofnut]

Originally Posted by bobbyh64

I wouldn’t be so quick to discredit fan approval. It seems with certain changes Lucas made a compromise in an attempt to please both himself and fans. For the Han Greedo scene the first special edition had Greedo clearly shooting first, then the second version had Greedo still shooting first but with Han returning fire much faster, then the third version had them shooting at the exact same time. He can’t make up his mind who he wants to shoot first. With the fourth version he kept it the same but added in Maclunkey, possibly as a warning to Han and justification for him to move his head so quickly and fire at Greedo ASAP. It’s hard to say what Lucas’s intent was because it kept changing.

Trying to ascertain Lucas's intent is like trying to hit a moving target underwater while blindfolded.

[dvining]

Originally Posted by HD Goofnut

Trying to ascertain Lucas's intent is like trying to hit a moving target underwater while blindfolded.

[philthehip]

Originally Posted by Roonan

No, what fans want is not far more important. It might be to those "faceless corporate stakeholders" you mentioned, who would happily use Lucas's works and their various iterations to get your money, like they do with all others.

Lucas, on the other hand, cares about his works and thus prefers to exercise his artistic independence and integrity.

He created a trilogy that fans love, then tinkered (all while sticking to his artistic integrity, a baffling argument. he couldn't stop revising but his integrity is solid) to the point fans were disgruntled because he had lessened his original creation in the eyes of many fans, but his integrity is more important? We are wasting time because I come from a standpoint that the fan matters and if an artist restricts what he knows they love, and pushes his revisionism, he is a dick. Your argument is that Lucas, in this instance, is more important than the millions of fans. I disagree. Have a great day.

[stvn1974]

Lucas apologists are as sad as blinking Ewoks.

[PeterTHX]

People still *****ing about the changes decades after the fact - over and over and over and OVER again are pathetic.

Especially because they fall either on deaf ears or the fact that Lucas himself no longer owns them.

Reality is calling - they ain't changing, no matter how loud you whine and cry and stomp your feet like a tantrum stricken child. Move the f*** on.

[HD Goofnut]

Originally Posted by PeterTHX

People still *****ing about the changes decades after the fact - over and over and over and OVER again are pathetic.

Especially because they fall either on deaf ears or the fact that Lucas himself no longer owns them.

Reality is calling - they ain't changing, no matter how loud you whine and cry and stomp your feet like a tantrum stricken child. Move the f*** on.

I keep telling people that. It's not ever going to happen as long as Lucas and probably Kennedy are alive.

[motorheadache95]

The circle is complete again:
Step 1: something related to Star Wars. Somebody brings up an altered scene.
Step 2: complaining ensues about alterations and suppression of the UOT.
Step 3: Others chime in defending the decisions leading to back and forth arguing about artistic ownership versus cultural heritage.
Step 4: More people now step into the ring and complain about the complaints.
This is the final step before we loop back to Step 1.

Here, I’ll get the ball rolling.

Hey, I heard the death star explosion was a magnum effect or something. Or maybe that was what it was originally and they changed it on Disney+, I’m not sure

[emailking]

I like most of the changes but I understand why many want the originals so I wish they/he would just release them on UHD and everyone's happy haha.

[Lord Method Man]

Originally Posted by emailking

I like most of the changes but I understand why many want the originals so I wish they/he would just release them on UHD and everyone's happy haha.

Frankly I have no need for Lucasfilm or Disney now so I don't care what they do.

Life found a way.

[cdx47]

Originally Posted by emailking

I like most of the changes but I understand why many want the originals so I wish they/he would just release them on UHD and everyone's happy haha.

I had the non anamorphic DVDs that came with the "Special Edition" for years until I stumbled across the fan edits a while back. I own the UHD discs but If I need to watch the original (mostly) unedited trilogy I can watch those instead. Apologies if this has already been mentioned.

[tyrok]

[StingingVelvet]

Lame covers there.

[starmike]

Can we get the Episode V thread unlocked please?