Nintendo Switch Main Thread

[dyne]

Originally Posted by Steelmaker

Simple! Because Nintendo isn't going to add unnecessary cost to their console just to have backwards compatibility for a system that only has a 12 million userbase. I really think Wii U owners need to let go of hope that NX will be backwards compatible. I just don't see that happening. Nintendo needs a hard "re boot" and start from scratch, building their userbase. The best thing they can do is disassociate themselves from the Wii U as much as possible.

In the end if the hard reboot approach happens and we get a virtual console that can then be ported easily to subsequent consoles I'd be just happy with that. And hopefully this is what all three are doing going forward. BC wont need to be added or wedged in. It'll be like PC's and just be there.

[Dynamo of Eternia]

Some of the supposed leaked info indicates something to the effect of a wireless HDMI "dongle". It's possible that this could pretty much be be a portable system in the same power ball park as the current PS4/Xbone models, with the games on some kind of flash cards or similar instead of discs, that can also wirelessly send the signal to the TV to be used like a traditional game system.

IF that is the case (and I admit that it is a big IF), maybe they could allow the NX (being a portable system with screen and all necessary buttons) to link up with the Wii U in place of the existing Gamepad.

It wouldn't be true backwards compatibility since it would still require the user to have the Wii U, but it would be a way to integrate them together so you can swap between the actual NX and the Wii U seemlessly.


Again, this is all speculation on my part, but I could see it being possible. All it would really require of the NX is to have the ability to link up to the Wii U and stream the games to the NX screen and/or TV screen. The Wii U would still be doing the actual processing of the games, so it would get around the issue of the cost of hardware based backwards compatibility.

[Derb]

Originally Posted by ChadFL

It could be it's highly unlikely. Every rumor and patent points to only a card reader. I doubt Nintendo will want to increase the product cost just to accomodate a zombie console.

Flash is cheaper, much cheaper than BC. Strip the drive too & you save major coin on massive production costs as in the unit would sell at a profit from day 1. Something unheard of.

Only real cost will be how much tech will be used towards the portable aspect of the console ala.. Controller/Kindle Fire.

[Steelmaker]

Originally Posted by dyne

In the end if the hard reboot approach happens and we get a virtual console that can then be ported easily to subsequent consoles I'd be just happy with that. And hopefully this is what all three are doing going forward. BC wont need to be added or wedged in. It'll be like PC's and just be there.

Exactly. I think you're dead on in terms of what all 3's approach will be going forward.

[Steelmaker]

Originally Posted by Dynamo of Eternia

Some of the supposed leaked info indicates something to the effect of a wireless HDMI "dongle". It's possible that this could pretty much be be a portable system in the same power ball park as the current PS4/Xbone models, with the games on some kind of flash cards or similar instead of discs, that can also wirelessly send the signal to the TV to be used like a traditional game system.

IF that is the case (and I admit that it is a big IF), maybe they could allow the NX (being a portable system with screen and all necessary buttons) to link up with the Wii U in place of the existing Gamepad.

It wouldn't be true backwards compatibility since it would still require the user to have the Wii U, but it would be a way to integrate them together so you can swap between the actual NX and the Wii U seemlessly.


Again, this is all speculation on my part, but I could see it being possible. All it would really require of the NX is to have the ability to link up to the Wii U and stream the games to the NX screen and/or TV screen. The Wii U would still be doing the actual processing of the games, so it would get around the issue of the cost of hardware based backwards compatibility.

I really hope this is a console first with a mobile element and not the other way around. I want power!

[Havok83]

Originally Posted by R3P0

Why cant the system have a DVD for Wii U/wii games AND a SD card slot for NX games?

The Wii U didnt even sell that well. I can see one rationale for not including this is bc the amount of people that would take advantage of BC is relatively low. For all new owners, Nintendo can sell you those games via VC or a proper remaster

[Hatter]

BC is nice, but it shouldn't be that important. I mean NES, SNES, n64 and GameCube were all separate entities with no bc. Didn't matter then to Nintnedo fans

[ChadFL]

Originally Posted by Hatter

BC is nice, but it shouldn't be that important. I mean NES, SNES, n64 and GameCube were all separate entities with no bc. Didn't matter then to Nintnedo fans

The first three you mention were cartridge based. Cartridge based consoles with backwards compatibility were never remotely economically feasible. And even if they were they would have made the console look like those ridiculous retro consoles with many slots.

[Steelmaker]

Originally Posted by ChadFL

The first three you mention were cartridge based. Cartridge based consoles with backwards compatibility were never remotely economically feasible. And even if they were they would have made the console look like those ridiculous retro consoles with many slots.

Just let it go man. BC ain't happening. There is too much revenue potential in re selling games on the VC and in HD remasters.

[detective392]

Originally Posted by Steelmaker

Just let it go man. BC ain't happening. There is too much revenue potential in re selling games on the VC and in HD remasters.

Exactly, people are rebuying VC games and HD remasters. Why would Nintendo stop selling them when people are buying them?

Makes no sense from a business point of view.

[Derb]

Originally Posted by detective392

Exactly, people are rebuying VC games and HD remasters. Why would Nintendo stop selling them when people are buying them?

Makes no sense from a business point of view.

I get em.

They are accurate right down to the screen flicker you get on your HD or 4K tv.

[Havok83]

Welp for Nintendo. Looks like EA isnt making games for the NX

http://www.ign.com/articles/2016/05/...it-makes-sense

[Steelmaker]

Originally Posted by Havok83

Welp for Nintendo. Looks like EA isnt making games for the NX

http://www.ign.com/articles/2016/05/...it-makes-sense

That's not what the article says.

[Havok83]

Originally Posted by Steelmaker

That's not what the article says.

It's implied by the statement.

When the Nintendo NX comes to market, Soderlund said, EA will be there—"if it makes sense."

The implication there is that they arent currently making anything for it. They are taking a wait and see approach with the console, likely to see if it takes off before committing to it.

[Steelmaker]

Originally Posted by Havok83

It's implied by the statement.

The implication there is that they arent currently making anything for it. They are taking a wait and see approach with the console, likely to see if it takes off before committing to it.

If this is true, Nintendo might as well start planning the transition from console provider to publisher. Without Madden and Fifa, they will have no hope of gaining any ground in the western and Euro markets.

[Havok83]

Originally Posted by Steelmaker

If this is true, Nintendo might as well start planning the transition from console provider to publisher. Without Madden and Fifa, they will have no hope of gaining any ground in the western and Euro markets.

People have mentioned several times that Nintendo is in no danger bc they have billions of dollars and can afford to launch multiple failed consoles and still be fine. They really should take those billions and use some of it to entice third parties, even if it makes contributing to the development cost for NX versions of multiplatform games and/or marketing. They really should invest their money into gaining 3rd party support bc the first year of the system will speak volumes to its long term success. If EA and others are going to wait to see if the NX sells before they start working on it, things arent going to work out too well.

[Steelmaker]

Originally Posted by Havok83

People have mentioned several times that Nintendo is in no danger bc they have billions of dollars and can afford to launch multiple failed consoles and still be fine. They really should take those billions and use some of it to entice third parties, even if it makes contributing to the development cost for NX versions of multiplatform games and/or marketing. They really should invest their money into gaining 3rd party support bc the first year of the system will speak volumes to its long term success. If EA and others are going to wait to see if the NX sells before they start working on it, things arent going to work out too well.

I agree 100%!

I've always felt like Nintendo are "cheapskates" when it comes to spending money in ALL aspects of their business from hardware development, to game development, to marketing, to courting 3rd parties.

For example, I'm a fan of Nintendo games but let's face it, most of them have very little production value. They don't spend a lot of money developing uber realistic engines or pay voice actors or spend a lot of time developing new IP's. They're definitely not trying to be Naughty Dog or 343 Studios. I DREAM of a new Metroid series with the kind of production value MS puts into their Halo games! I'd LOVE a new Star Fox game with more realistic graphics, more open "off rails" game play, a well fleshed out story with memorable character development, and online multiplayer dogfighting!

In terms of 3rd parties, you're absolutely correct! To ensure 3rd party support for the first year, Nintendo needs to do what MS did for the 360 early on, buy them!

[dyne]

Strongly disagree on throwing money at 3rd parties. Whatever happened to companies wanting to make their games for all systems so as to have more potential sales? This kind of attitude among the industry is a really dangerous practice and I for sure want to see less of it.

Although reading between the lines, is this a possible indication that the NX will not have hardware similar enough to the PS4/X1 to make ports easy? Because if ports were easy you'd think day 1 support would be a no brainer.

[Steelmaker]

Originally Posted by dyne

Strongly disagree on throwing money at 3rd parties. Whatever happened to companies wanting to make their games for all systems so as to have more potential sales? This kind of attitude among the industry is a really dangerous practice and I for sure want to see less of it.

Although reading between the lines, is this a possible indication that the NX will not have hardware similar enough to the PS4/X1 to make ports easy? Because if ports were easy you'd think day 1 support would be a no brainer.

Do you really blame them though dyne? At least when it comes to Nintendo I can't blame 3rd parties for taking a cautious approach.

[dyne]

Originally Posted by Steelmaker

Do you really blame them though dyne? At least when it comes to Nintendo I can't blame 3rd parties for taking a cautious approach.

Other companies I agree with but EA not supporting is already putting the cart before the horse. They're making the prophecy fulfill itself so to speak. They're a big enough company with enough IP that caters to the casual base that they can single handedly decide a consoles fate by not supporting them. They are the one company that can single handedly put a console at critical mass just with sports games.

They had no problem announcing support for MS and SONY before their system pre-orders even went live.