Dune 4K UHD (2021) ᑐ ᑌ ᑎ ᕮ ¹

[-JKR-]

Originally Posted by Geoff D

Well, no, the 1.43 shots were all framed up with that specific format in mind

Of course, but there's a reason why Denis Villeneuve decided to release it in the 2.39:1 format in standard theaters, or else he could have opted for 1.85:1.

All I'm saying is that the 2.39:1 version of the movie is just as 'artistically valid' as the IMAX version, and was likely picked by Villeneuve as the prefered version for home video.

[Geoff D]

Originally Posted by -JKR-

Of course, but there's a reason why Denis Villeneuve decided to release it in the 2.39:1 format in standard theaters, or else he could have opted for 1.85:1.

All I'm saying is that the 2.39:1 version of the movie is just as 'artistically valid' as the IMAX version, and was likely picked by Villeneuve as the prefered version for home video.

What does 1.85 have to do with it? They shot the dialogue stuff in 2.37 anamorphic so it's not like they were going to crop that to 1.85. I confoosed.

[-JKR-]

Originally Posted by Geoff D

What does 1.85 have to do with it? They shot the dialogue stuff in 2.37 anamorphic so it's not like they were going to crop that to 1.85. I confoosed.

That's exactly my point. I'm just saying that 2.39:1 is one of the aspect ratios they shot for.

[Geoff D]

Originally Posted by -JKR-

That's exactly my point. I'm just saying that 2.39:1 is one of the aspect ratios they shot for.

Except they didn’t “shoot” for it when lining up the IMAX shots, to the point where they had to jerry rig a bunch of shots so that they wouldn’t look shite cropped to 2.39. They had to deliver a 2.39 version all along, yes, and clearly Villeneuve’s not upset about it as it’s the primary version for the home, yes, but I wouldn’t characterise it as being equal to the original “artistic vision”. And I’m not saying this to be contrary, if this was almost any other ‘IMAX’ movie I’d be waffling on about how much dead space it has and that 2.39 is fine by me, but with Dune it’s different.

[Fjodor2000]

Originally Posted by HippieDalek

It's about the same as far as I can tell; just changes whenever there is a "big" shot or an action scene, rather than for any story or thematic reasons.

Ok, I see. Yes, if the movie changes aspect ratio in the middle of scenes, then I can understand that it's annoying.

But isn't that annoying when watching in an IMAX theater too? I don't have any where I live, so I haven't experienced it myself.

[Deciazulado]

Well the IMAX image is so big and you being in the dark it just opens up and it's like what you experience when shots change on any movie just that instead of going from blue and rainy to yellow and sandy you go from blue and rainy to big yellow and sandy. Imagine these at 2 to 3 the size on your computer screen (when seen 1:1 size).





This would be sitting at the Minnesota Zoo IMAX @ 55'/16.8m


Compared to 65" TV @ 10'/3m




Also, on the smaller 1.90 IMAX the ratio switch change is not so drastic, as per my post last page

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[cybersoga]

Somehow I don't think this will be the only home release of this film...

[PeterTHX]

Originally Posted by Geoff D

if this was almost any other ‘IMAX’ movie I’d be waffling on about how much dead space it has and that 2.39 is fine by me, but with Dune it’s different.

Wouldn't the "dead space" in this case be at the sides of the frame in the 2.39 version?

[Deciazulado]

In some on the shots on the Scope version, like apparently the standing Worm shot, and maybe if you consider blurring wings in the Ornithopter shot for example is what I've seen, while most of the others I see expanding vertically on the IMAX version and the "emptier" areas are then there.

[Show spoiler]

Originally Posted by joenostalgia23

Here are some scope/IMAX shot overlaps I made

[Show spoiler]

This one is interesting because the crop isn’t just from the top and bottom. The IMAX frame shows more from every side:



And I’m this shot, the IMAX has more vertical information so you can see both the top and bottom of the thopter in frame, but the scope shows more of the wings.



With them both aligned, you can see they fit inside a 1.78 frame.

[AaronWilson]

Damn i am bummed about this looking at these shots it literally feels you are watching a cropped movie with key stuff missing. Thanks for nothing Warner you had one job !

[Lee A Stewart]

One other interesting thing today: The Hollywood Reporter has posted a nice long feature on the making of Denis Villenueve’s Dune. One of the interesting revelations is that after testing a variety of cameras and film/digital formats, Villenueve and director of photography Greig Fraser found that neither film nor digital gave them exactly the look they wanted. Digital was too crisp and modern, while film looked too nostalgic. So what they ultimately decided to do is to capture the film in large format digital (ARRIRAW 4.5K) using Arri Alexa LF cameras. Then they printed the image out to 35 mm interpositive stock, which was then scanned back to digital in 4K. This process took the edge off of the digital appearance while retaining much of the resolution gain, but allowed for real organic film grain, natural photochemical halation, and a more timeless look—essentially the best of both worlds. It’s also the first time this kind of process has been used in a major feature film. Anyway, you can read more about all this here in The Hollywood Reporter, and there are starting to be lots of more in-depth discussions about the process, including this interview with Fraser via the Go Creative Show on YouTube, where he talks about the approach (the entire interview is great, but the relevant bit is 21:36)...

https://thedigitalbits.com/columns/m...ts/120621-1130

[ThulsaMike88]

Looking forward to this on 4k blu. Movie just blew me away in Imax, and put me in a trance. Don't think I've seen anything quite like it. I don't think I would have felt the same, or as strongly had I just watched it on my phone or tv through streaming the first time around.

[InUCTiEn]

Why do I have a bad feeling we're going to see an HBO Max + IMAX Enhanced announcement in the future...

[Geoff D]

Originally Posted by Lee A Stewart

https://thedigitalbits.com/columns/m...ts/120621-1130

Intermediate stock, not interpositive. Good old Bill.

[suspiciouscoffee]

Originally Posted by InUCTiEn

Why do I have a bad feeling we're going to see an HBO Max + IMAX Enhanced announcement in the future...

They do have Snyder's BvS 1.43:1, but I don't know if they even have Nolan's shifting ratios.

[PeterTHX]

Originally Posted by Geoff D

Intermediate stock, not interpositive. Good old Bill.

Not his fault on this one. He was listening to the cinematographer

https://youtu.be/16P5kvDZnlg?t=1517

[RAILERSWIM]

I know there’s a lot of arguing going on in this thread as there usually is with something released in IMAX with a different aspect ratio but damn if this doesn’t show that Dune is one of the most interesting films from a technical standpoint.

[Geoff D]

Originally Posted by PeterTHX

Not his fault on this one. He was listening to the cinematographer
https://youtu.be/16P5kvDZnlg?t=1517

I love it that he’s got no idea of what they actually filmed out to! (That plays into what I’ve said before about a lot of filmmakers not being the tech-heads people assume them to be.) But Bill’s obsessed with “master positives” so it’s no surprise he’d pick that one.

[BorisKarloffice]

Originally Posted by Geoff D

I love it that he’s got no idea of what they actually filmed out to! (That plays into what I’ve said before about a lot of filmmakers not being the tech-heads people assume them to be.) But Bill’s obsessed with “master positives” so it’s no surprise he’d pick that one.

There is still a misconception amongst people who make a lot of money shooting images, and thus should know better, that large format film and digital sensors have a magical "look" or "perspective" different from Super 35, which they think is more flattering for faces.

It's complete bunk, it's been disproven many times- the only difference is that the depth of field gets shallower, which can be recreated in Super 35 by opening the aperture wider- but some very smart, very rich people still believe it.

[havenyoung]

Originally Posted by cybersoga

Somehow I don't think this will be the only home release of this film...

I won't be surprised if they reserved something for when Part 2 comes out.