Blu-ray is dead... apparently

[Geoff D]

Originally Posted by FaceInTheLeaves

Most of the people who post in the UK threads are humourless. The abuse I got for my own post in this thread (most of the fallout was eventually deleted by moderators) has left a nasty taste in my mouth.

It's the kind of board where, if the regulars tell you an article is an assault on the dignity of the blu-ray format, or 3D TV is the future, you agree with them or they gang up and call you names.

Ah, I wondered where Impossible's latest charm offensive had disappeared to, but that sort of crap isn't confined to the UK forum. I copped a load of shit in the Shout! Fog thread for daring to say that the transfer is mediocre and being able to support my argument with big words. They don't like it up 'em!

[R3P0]

My local Best Buy has no PS4 stuff so PS4 must be dead

[CinemaScope]

Originally Posted by FaceInTheLeaves

I waited for the format war between HD-DVD and blu-ray to end before switching to HD. Championing a format that quickly becomes obsolete is an expensive mistake to make.

Yup, that really stupid format war didn't help (after Beta/VHS, they did it again!). While that was going on it was all boom, & then Blu-ray won & it was bust, so all uphill from there. Studios have to remaster their film catalogue in HD for TV sales (it must be really hard to sell SD movies these days), so why not make a bit more money with Blu-ray sales. CD's have been (so called) dead for the past ten years, but I'm still buying & listening to them. But I have to admit that I don't buy many Blu's, nothing like the vast number of DVD's I once bought. I hardly like any new movies, & there's not exactly a flood of great catalogue films being released.

[JimDiGriz]

Originally Posted by goldie1970

I believe 3d will die, at least in its current form. I had LASIK surgery to get rid of my glasses, why would I purposely put them back on? Clumsy and uncomfortable at best

My 3D glasses are pretty comfortable - forget they are there after a while.

I know quite a few ophthalmologists who still wear glasses - strange that

[JimDiGriz]

Originally Posted by FaceInTheLeaves

Not "this Man" but "The Man"

Which Man again?

[Impossible]

Originally Posted by Geoff D

Ah, I wondered where Impossible's latest charm offensive had disappeared to, but that sort of crap isn't confined to the UK forum. I copped a load of shit in the Shout! Fog thread for daring to say that the transfer is mediocre and being able to support my argument with big words. They don't like it up 'em!

Hmmm, I thought we got on ok, just friendly banter, guess I was wrong. You seem to give as good as you get and are just as opinionated and stubborn as I am.

I guess it's just ok when you state your opinion, but not when anyone else does

[Deckard757]

Originally Posted by goldie1970

I believe 3d will die, at least in its current form. I had LASIK surgery to get rid of my glasses, why would I purposely put them back on? Clumsy and uncomfortable at best

3D has always been a gimmick, at least to me.

First they tried it in the 50's, then they brought it back in the 80's and it failed again.

Now they've brought it back once more. Granted the technology is better now, but it's still as gimmicky as ever.

I just don't care about images popping out from the screen. And I sure as hell don't care for wearing a pair of uncomfortable 3D glasses when I'm watching something.

[Mr Kite]

Originally Posted by Deckard757

3D has always been a gimmick, at least to me.

First they tried it in the 50's, then they brought it back in the 80's and it failed again.

Now they've brought it back once more. Granted the technology is better now, but it's still as gimmicky as ever.

I just don't care about images popping out from the screen. And I sure as hell don't care for wearing a pair of uncomfortable 3D glasses when I'm watching something.

I keep hearing this gimmick quote being bandied about. The 3D option is as much a part of modern TV's as it has ever been. Those quoting CES this year fail to mention every TV on display was 3D capable but 3D this year was not the hot topic ..........god help us streaming and apps seemed to be the thing this year
Virgin and Sky are commited to the growth of 3D broadcasts and the studios seem very happy also. So for those who hate 3D " don't watch it " you really have a choice on every TV i have seen...2D or 3D simples.

[Geoff D]

Originally Posted by Impossible

Hmmm, I thought we got on ok, just friendly banter, guess I was wrong. You seem to give as good as you get and are just as opinionated and stubborn as I am.

I guess it's just ok when you state your opinion, but not when anyone else does

Okay, maybe I was being unfair by lumping you in with the wolfpack in the Fog thread, but your posts have a characteristic bluntness to them which can catch people unawares. Folks start taking it personally and that's when stuff starts getting deleted by the mods. This thread is testament to that. We've got a love/hate thing going on because we know it's not worth having a go at the other guy, even though he's wrong , but other people don't know that.

Me, I love to waffle on and get full value from my thesaurus, and folks got sick of it in the other thread. You could say I had it coming, but it doesn't make it any less unpleasant when people start personally attacking you for just expressing an opinion. Repeatedly.

[JimDiGriz]

Originally Posted by Geoff D

Okay, maybe I was being unfair by lumping you in with the wolfpack in the Fog thread, but your posts have a characteristic bluntness to them which can catch people unawares. Folks start taking it personally and that's when stuff starts getting deleted by the mods. This thread is testament to that. We've got a love/hate thing going on because we know it's not worth having a go at the other guy, even though he's wrong , but other people don't know that.

Me, I love to waffle on and get full value from my thesaurus, and folks got sick of it in the other thread. You could say I had it coming, but it doesn't make it any less nice when people start personally attacking you for just expressing an opinion. Repeatedly.

What's interesting is when some people seem to get away with a lot more than others...

[Geoff D]

Surely you can't mean lil' old me?

[Wes Blu-ray]

Originally Posted by tele1962

I keep hearing this gimmick quote being bandied about. The 3D option is as much a part of modern TV's as it has ever been. Those quoting CES this year fail to mention every TV on display was 3D capable but 3D this year was not the hot topic ..........god help us streaming and apps seemed to be the thing this year
Virgin and Sky are commited to the growth of 3D broadcasts and the studios seem very happy also. So for those who hate 3D " don't watch it " you really have a choice on every TV i have seen...2D or 3D simples.

The keyword being "option".

I've said it before and I'll damn well say it again...3D (Gimmick) is one option that I will NEVER...EVER...take up.

[Mr Kite]

Originally Posted by Wes Blu-ray

The keyword being "option".

I've said it before and I'll damn well say it again...3D (Gimmick) is one option that I will NEVER...EVER...take up.

Good for you.

Define Gimmick for me if you will................. What about the viewing mode gimmick, the sharpening gimmick, the Blu Ray Gimmick, the OLED Gimmick, the HD gimmick, the Colour Control gimmick, Watching in Colour Gimmick, the just being plain awkward gimmick.

[Impossible]

Originally Posted by Geoff D

Okay, maybe I was being unfair by lumping you in with the wolfpack in the Fog thread, but your posts have a characteristic bluntness to them which can catch people unawares. Folks start taking it personally and that's when stuff starts getting deleted by the mods. This thread is testament to that. We've got a love/hate thing going on because we know it's not worth having a go at the other guy, even though he's wrong , but other people don't know that.

Me, I love to waffle on and get full value from my thesaurus, and folks got sick of it in the other thread. You could say I had it coming, but it doesn't make it any less unpleasant when people start personally attacking you for just expressing an opinion. Repeatedly.

The posts that got deleted actually had nothing to with the person 'playing victim' in this thread. A different member made a very threatening comment to me for making a simple point that sales don't always equal quality.

A different member saw the threat and pm'd me and said member was always threatening people and acting like an arse, so I reported him.

I don't take bullying lightly, even if it is just on an online forum.

'The victim' in this thread came in, steered the tread in a totally different direction that he knew would cause shit and then started crying 'poor me' when 'everyone' (all 2 of us) had a go at him.

[ZoetMB]

Did anyone actually read the article? He says this:

Look, I'm not particularly good at research or backing my case up with irritating trivialities like facts or evidence,

Obviously. Which is one of the problems with news sites on the web: there are absolutely no journalistic standards and any idiot can say anything they want.

Because if he had examined facts and evidence, he would see that year-to-date (through July 6th), BD $dollar sales in the U.S. are cumulatively 16% ahead of last year. Back in May, they were cumulatively 25% ahead of last year. BD now has a 29.2% dollar share of the physical media market in the U.S.

Now I don't know what sales outside the U.S. are, so I don't know if he's right or wrong about the international market. Countries in Europe are experiencing a far tougher economy than even the crappy U.S. economy and unemployment, especially among young people, is much higher. Therefore, it wouldn't surprise me if BD sales are way down, especially in countries like Turkey, Greece, Spain and Italy.

In the past, I frequently criticized BD sales as not growing fast enough. And I also said that if BD sales declined, the studios would lose interest. But so far this year, BD in the U.S. has done pretty damned well, although the last few weeks were lousy.

Obviously in a lousy economy, the average Jane or Joe with not much extra income to spend on luxuries is going to either stream a movie or buy very inexpensive DVDs to entertain the family. But even there, the DVD market is down 10.45% year over year (in dollars) and it's down 37% since 2010, year to date.

[Geoff D]

Originally Posted by Impossible

The posts that got deleted actually had nothing to with the person 'playing victim' in this thread. A different member made a very threatening comment to me for making a simple point that sales don't always equal quality.

A different member saw the threat and pm'd me and said member was always threatening people and acting like an arse, so I reported him.

I don't take bullying lightly, even if it is just on an online forum.

'The victim' in this thread came in, steered the tread in a totally different direction that he knew would cause shit and then started crying 'poor me' when 'everyone' (all 2 of us) had a go at him.

Fair enough, I think I know which member you're talking about. Is it me, or are certain folks around here going from 0-60 in the douchebag race that much quicker lately?

[richieb1971]

To some blu ray might as well never have been born let alone died.

The fact is, most blu-ray fans in England do not like what they see when they go into blockbuster or CEX. They see blu rays, but instead of being excited they kind of step back and think "no special editions, limited titles, frayed packaging".

Compared to online where you get all that stuff, its a different world altogether. The shops just don't champion blu ray or offer it something unique. A movie disc comes across as something cheap and not worthy of ownership.

If it were not for blu ray special packaging like steelbooks where the packaging shows some love for the movie content. Then I wouldn't be into buying movies at all. I mean the worst thing you can do to a good Will Smith movie is put Will Smiths mug shot on the cover. Its just wrong and cheap. Thats where blu ray can shine, by producing better value packaging. Better valued packaging gives a perception of quality. When you go into stores you see the packaging looks like shit.. so it hardly makes people want to spend their loved money on it.

[jd_from_da_80s]

Just emailed Best Buy & suggested downgrade & save. Will keep you posted.