Wonder Woman 1984 4K UHD (2020)

[XavierTheaterPotato]

I'll Buy the Steelbook anyway, I bought the most recent BB Steelbook cause it just looked that good.

Also Can't wait to try to keep track of the posts between the two threads on the singular movie.

[pottyaboutpotter1]

Originally Posted by FilmBufffff

Why do you think Warner Media(AT&T) is so gung-ho about getting back in the Zack Snyder/Ben Affleck business. Hearing bad things about Reeves' Batman film too. I get the feeling there is a course correction to correct the 2017 course correction to "be lighter." It's called the Geoff Johns effect and it really sucks imho.

I'm happy we're getting the Snyder Cut finally and hopefully the Ben Affleck directed Batfleck movie. I hate this Disney model of fluffy cotten candy filmmaking that means absolutely nothing 5 minutes after you turn it off. At least Snyder was attempting something grand and epic... the LotR of superhero stories if you will.

WW84 is worse than bad, it's boring as all hell.

Edit: I will say that I love the score... especially the use of the Sunshine theme when Diana is flying and the BvS theme at the end.

WB going back to Zack Snyder to course correct would be like if they went back to Joel Schumacher and George Clooney after The Dark Knight.

[TheSweetieMan]

Originally Posted by FilmBufffff

I hate this Disney model of fluffy cotten candy filmmaking that means absolutely nothing 5 minutes after you turn it off. At least Snyder was attempting something grand and epic... the LotR of superhero stories if you will.

[gooey]

Originally Posted by TheSweetieMan

I know all those words he said but it doesnt make any sense.

[Bourne1886]

Originally Posted by pottyaboutpotter1

WB going back to Zack Snyder to course correct would be like if they went back to Joel Schumacher and George Clooney after The Dark Knight.

[GC Riot]

I at least vastly prefer Snyder's films to what has come after. Not to say that what has come after has been bad, except for how Josstice League was handled.
I would not be opposed to him coming back in a larger capacity again.

[dallywhitty]

Originally Posted by DMRI2006

To clarify, this movie is so bad, I don't believe certain critics raving enthusiastically about it truly feel that way. I think they're frankly just trying to defend it for whatever sociopolitical reasons they want and don't want to rightly criticize the movie for its abundant problems.

Yeahno. I've watched the film twice and I genuinely like it a lot, and it has jack shit to do with politics. It really isn't an overtly political film, despite what folks on either side of the political spectrum are saying.

The discourse surrounding this film (particularly on, surprise surprise, Twitter) has been bizarre, to say the least.

[jedilips]

Originally Posted by DMRI2006

To clarify, this movie is so bad, I don't believe certain critics raving enthusiastically about it truly feel that way. I think they're frankly just trying to defend it for whatever sociopolitical reasons they want and don't want to rightly criticize the movie for its abundant problems.

you people always show your true face. why does it bother you so much that people want their point of view shown on screen?

[Covcraig]

Originally Posted by pottyaboutpotter1

WB going back to Zack Snyder to course correct would be like if they went back to Joel Schumacher and George Clooney after The Dark Knight.

I think the situation currently is more akin to Nolan doing his trilogy, letting Schumacher do the next couple of films then going back to Nolan to sort it all out.

Snyder taking back over is no bad thing - after Aquman, Shazam, Birds of Prey and now WW84..tone wise, the DCEU is all over the place and if anyone can pull the likes of Cavill and Affleck back in and pull the mess together then it's going to be Snyder.

[brownstones19]

Sounds like all the DCEU needs....is to get rid of Geoff Johns.

[notops]

Originally Posted by Covcraig

I think the situation currently is more akin to Nolan doing his trilogy, letting Schumacher do the next couple of films then going back to Nolan to sort it all out.

Snyder taking back over is no bad thing - after Aquman, Shazam, Birds of Prey and now WW84..tone wise, the DCEU is all over the place and if anyone can pull the likes of Cavill and Affleck back in and pull the mess together then it's going to be Snyder.

I like the tonal inconsistencies of DC. It makes it interesting in that I never quite know what I'm in for. I love Marvel, but you pretty much always know what you're going to get going in.

The 'lightning in a bottle' of the MCU could realistically never be replicated so I find DC's recent risk-taking attitude to be refreshing. I definitely hope the tones stay different

[GC Riot]

Originally Posted by Covcraig

I think the situation currently is more akin to Nolan doing his trilogy, letting Schumacher do the next couple of films then going back to Nolan to sort it all out.

Snyder taking back over is no bad thing - after Aquman, Shazam, Birds of Prey and now WW84..tone wise, the DCEU is all over the place and if anyone can pull the likes of Cavill and Affleck back in and pull the mess together then it's going to be Snyder.

This to me is however a GOOD thing! The main problem I have with the MCU is that everything feels like a homogenic blob, where filmmakers aren't allowed to deviate too much, whereas in the DC films, experimentation seems more welcoming, making the films feel more like actual films and not, well, products, which I feel the MCU has been more or less reduced to. Disney would never have greenlit something like Birds of Prey or Joker (not part of the DCEU, I know) or the upcoming The Batman (also not DCEU) in their current forms. I just feel like it's refreshing, diverse, and they can be judged more on their own merits than on how well they fit into the overarching narrative being spun. This boldness is the main reason why DC films interest me more than Marvel ones, and like I said, I feel that's a good thing!

[GC Riot]

Originally Posted by brownstones19

Sounds like all the DCEU needs....is to get rid of Geoff Johns.

I love the comics Johns writes. No one writes big event comics better than him, and he regularly knocks it out of the park.
That said, I agree. Him being a great comic writer doesn't automatically translate into great filmmaking, and by the sound of things, he's the one who has been meddling with a lot of the directors' original visions, for the worse.

[ACalica917]

Originally Posted by brownstones19

Sounds like all the DCEU needs....is to get rid of Geoff Johns.

This is what I was thinking, too. As good of a comic writer as he is, I’m not sure it translates too well cinematically. I wonder if they’ll quell his influence on the Green Lantern series.

[Flyers99]

Originally Posted by GC Riot

I love the comics Johns writes. No one writes big event comics better than him, and he regularly knocks it out of the park.
That said, I agree. Him being a great comic writer doesn't automatically translate into great filmmaking, and by the sound of things, he's the one who has been meddling with a lot of the directors' original visions, for the worse.

His TV work is fine. He should stay away from the movies

[reanimator]

Compression on HBOMax is quite poor. Far too much color-banding and macroblocking. Get with it Warners -- if you're staking your future on this platform you've got a long ways to go in the PQ department. The movie itself? I was completely spoiler-free going into this, except for the first trailer. The first trailer with "Blue Monday" by New Order is freaking great, and I've watched it a dozen times. Which is why the movie itself is such a surprising disappointment.

It starts okay enough, but Patty Jenkins seems to have a very difficult time handling the shifting tones...

[Show spoiler]the mall heist scene is performed in a goofy, borderline silly fashion -- almost as if Jenkins was saying, "look at how much fun this is! Are you having fun???"

The script is a scattershot of shifting ideas and themes that never really seem to connect -- whereas the first WONDER WOMAN (2017) has a strong focus.

[Show spoiler]In WW84 the protracted opening competition sequence, in which a young Diana learns a lesson about taking short-cuts, never really comes back into play. The climax of the film is not about taking short-cuts, instead presented as finding truth through lies -- which by the way is also thematically incorrect, the climax was actually about sacrificing your personal desires for the greater good, but the writers did not seem to recognize this in their own work.

I tend to forgive clunky plotting in superhero movies, but even here there is material that is downright lazy.

[Show spoiler]The golden armor is introduced in a manner that I actually laughed -- "here's my surveillance room, oh, and there's some armor in the corner that I found a few years ago."

Even Hans Zimmer seems to be mailing-it-in. After a rousing piece that accompanies the competition sequence (complete with hair-raising choir voices) the music falls back into predictable and uninspiring tropes -- and towards the end one cue sounds lifted directly from INCEPTION.

If WONDER WOMAN (2017) was the DC spin on CAPTAIN AMERICA, then clearly WW84 falls far short of becoming it's own WINTER SOLDIER -- which might not be a fair comparison, because WINTER SOLDIER is arguably the very best MCU movie of them all.

[Show spoiler]The assumed-dead Bucky returns in that film, just as Chris Pine returns in this one -- but Bucky's presence generates brilliant drama for Captain America. Unfortunately, we only get one such moment in WW84... when he implores Diana to wish him away (the "sacrifice for the greater good" theme working really nicely in this scene.)

And lastly, the setting of the movie itself. I'm not invested very deeply in the DCU, so I'm not sure why this movie had to be set in 1984. They make almost no use of the era at all. Did you expect to hear a lot of great 80s tunes in this movie? Nope. Some of the X-MEN movies have made great use of previous decades. Hell even SPIDERMAN HOMECOMING felt more like an 80s movie than this -- and HOMECOMING is set in the present-day.

But there are also some very fun scenes here. Kristen Wiig is a strong performer, and I was taken with how convincingly she played her more menacing material...

[Show spoiler](her comeuppance of a misogynist jerk turns nicely dark and disturbing).

And in the bit of scripting that I liked the most, I especially responded to...

[Show spoiler]the fact that the main villain was ultimately redeemable, and given a nice layer of humanity at the end.

That was a breath of fresh air.

So it's not a total trainwreck, but it's much closer to a trainwreck than I think anyone would have expected -- especially considering how good the first WONDER WOMAN is. The 4K disc will almost certainly be a better presentation than HBOMax, maybe that will affect my enjoyment of the film.

[FilmBufffff]

Originally Posted by pottyaboutpotter1

WB going back to Zack Snyder to course correct would be like if they went back to Joel Schumacher and George Clooney after The Dark Knight.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kav7...ature=youtu.be

[FilmBufffff]

Originally Posted by TheSweetieMan

Really? That's probably the truest statement ever committed to a forum. Don't be such a fanboy shill.

[plissken99]

Originally Posted by Dunemoon

Imagine there's no 4K disk release
It isn't hard to do
Nothing to collect or organize for
And no shelves too
Imagine all the collectors
Living life frugally
You, you may say I'm a streamer
But I'm not the only one
I hope someday you will join us
And the world will be as one
Imagine no 4K disks
I wonder if you can
No need for slips or steels
A brotherhood of man
Imagine all the people
Streaming all over the world
You, you may say I'm a streamer
But I'm not the only one
I hope someday you will join us
And the world will live as one

Imagine your internet’s down that night.. = shit out of luck

[TheSweetieMan]

Originally Posted by FilmBufffff

Really? That's probably the truest statement ever committed to a forum. Don't be such a fanboy shill.

You clearly don't frequent the forum enough. Anyone that knows me knows I'm ambivalent to any comic book film. Doesn't matter if it's Marvel, DC, Dark Horse, etc. I could take them or leave them.

I laughed at your post not because you took a shot at Marvel; But because you did that thing where a small cult of people act like Zack Snyder is some audaciously 'out-there' blockbuster filmmaker. This dude couldn't get the steam off of Peter Jackson's piss -- let alone, having anything he's done being compared to even his worst work.

In 2020, saying "At least this [content creator] attempted to do X, Y, and Z -- while other [content creator] made something safe and generic" doesn't have much value anymore. While attempting to punch above your weight can be admired in its attempt, a poor execution is still that, a poor execution. Not only has Zack Snyder not made anything worthy within the DC world, he hasn't made anything even remotely timeless since the likes of 'Dawn of the Dead' or '300' (and this is coming from someone that has found value in 'Man of Steel' mind you).

Also, things like ambition and 'ideas' go out the window when you turn Batman into a silly, cartoonish serial killer, while infusing your films with laughably bad written and directed moments like the infamous 'Martha!' scene.

When people like me, who are outside of the Marvel and DC bubbles, are able to take these films in for what they are, they allow opinions to be written and spoken that are in the complete opposite of being a 'fanboy' or 'shill'.

Marvel, for better or worse, at least had a clear direction of what they wanted to do for ten+ years -- and it resulted in them creating a villain like Thanos, who will be compared to the likes of that of Darth Vader, for years to come. Whether people find value in Marvel's approach to blockbuster filmmaking or not, they've still revolutionized the way that approach to filmmaking is done for decades going forward. Whether or not it's a good or bad here is irrelevant. The point is that they had a distinct direction; Something Zack Snyder lost along the way a long time ago.

Pretty visuals can only get you so far.