Kaleidescape has more capacity and higher video bit rate when compared to 4K Blu-ray

[sapiendut]

Originally Posted by Vilya

Makes me glad that I settled for less than the best.

He's so invested in this blather about how many TVs are found in mansions that he posted his same post word for word in another Kaleidescape thread, too.

He reminds me of Alchav21.

[Vilya]

Originally Posted by sapiendut

How about upgrading your system to a proper 4K first before trying to feel smarter than everyone at Kscape.

His previously stated reason for not buying a 4K TV is because he is waiting for 8K...even though 8K TVs have been available for several years now.

He expects the studios to release movies on a 8K physical disc format any day now.

[Vilya]

Originally Posted by sapiendut

He reminds me of Alchav21.

The difference being that one of them is unrealistically optimistic while the other delights in doom & gloom.

[HDTV1080P]

Originally Posted by Vilya

His previously stated reason for not buying a 4K TV is because he is waiting for 8K...even though 8K TVs have been available for several years now.

He expects the studios to release movies on a 8K physical disc format any day now.

I and a family member have owned a 4K computer monitor since the year 2015 on two separate desktop computers. I have personally over the years seen people with 12 or more TV’s in their home, sometimes high-end TV’s, sometimes small TV’s under $200 for a small bedroom or office. Sometimes 60 inches or larger displays. Sometimes 130-inch projector screens for one home theater room I visited. 8K might need a new HDCP chip to work with external devices, and that is why I held off and also no native 8K movies most likely until 2026+.

[HDTV1080P]

The Kaleidescape system can cost between $4,000-$150,000+ depending on how much TB storage is needed and how many televisions/projectors one has. While Best Buy sells the Kaleidescape system, the problem is the last time I was in Best Buy they had none on display. Best Buy and Kaleidescape need to start placing live demos of the Kaleidescape system in Best Buy Magnolia centers in order to get more people interested in the system.

https://www.bestbuy.com/site/kaleide...?skuId=6559638

[Mr.Poindexter]

Originally Posted by HDTV1080P

For a large home or Mansion its common for people to have 10 to 30+ Smart TV’s and/or projectors. Connecting a streaming box like Apple TV ($149) or Google TV ($99.99) with 1,000Mbps ethernet connection is the norm. Some people also have 10 or more digital cable TV boxes or satellite TV boxes.

I don't know these people. I do have 5 TV's in my RV, but I don't put 5 Kaleidescape players in there. I have one player and one server and just run the video through a splitter to feed into all the TVs.

10-30 TVs all streaming different content? That sounds more like a hotel or B&B than a house, man.

[Mr.Poindexter]

Originally Posted by HDTV1080P

I and a family member have owned a 4K computer monitor since the year 2015 on two separate desktop computers. I have personally over the years seen people with 12 or more TV’s in their home, sometimes high-end TV’s, sometimes small TV’s under $200 for a small bedroom or office. Sometimes 60 inches or larger displays. Sometimes 130-inch projector screens for one home theater room I visited. 8K might need a new HDCP chip to work with external devices, and that is why I held off and also no native 8K movies most likely until 2026+.

I could probably get 8k content a lot faster than that, but the company I hire to film my safaris doesn't edit 8k content even if I supply an 8k video camera (and I currently have just one but it is more of a studio camera than a field camera I would use on a safari).

If you are making reference to watching a 4k display on your computer monitor, you are not the market for 8k video displays. That would be for IMAX and commercial theaters and people who want a system that will rival IMAX in their home. My theater runs a 150" wide screen. An 8K system on that size screen would be putting up 53 pixels per inch. I think at that point I would be quite a bit higher resolution than the weave of my acoustically transparent screen.

That said, if 8K becomes the standard, I would expect Kaleidescape to be there. It would require a new player, but probably not a new server, much like the old DVD servers worked with BluRay. You will just need more storage as I expect 8k video files to be quite large. And I suspect when 8K comes out, you will be waiting for 12k or 16k or 5D or Smell-O-Vision™ II.

[Vilya]

Originally Posted by HDTV1080P

I and a family member have owned a 4K computer monitor since the year 2015 on two separate desktop computers.

4K computer monitors of that vintage, 2015, probably do not even support HDR. Even if your 4K computer monitors do support HDR, you clearly do not use them when you post your reviews of 4K discs.

Each of your reviews always contains some variation of this disclaimer buried within it:

Originally Posted by HDTV1080P

Because of limitations of my display and A/V receiver the native 4K Blu-ray disc with Dolby Vision HDR and lossless 13.1 Dolby Atmos was downscaled to 2K SDR

Originally Posted by HDTV1080P

I have personally over the years seen people with 12 or more TV’s in their home

So, from this very limited observation you extrapolated this to be "common" behavior among those living in mansions. Uh huh.

On the other hand we have a forum member here who calibrates home theaters and TVs for a living and he has only very rarely seen what you say is "common."

Originally Posted by sapiendut

I have only found 1-2 home (out of several hundreds) that have “10-20” TVs. Most of them are only 5 and they only use Kscape for the main living room and the theatre albeit they spend $100K on their home theatre.

^He has been calibrating home theaters and TVs for 27 years and he has only seen what you describe 1 or 2 times.

Originally Posted by HDTV1080P

8K might need a new HDCP chip to work with external devices, and that is why I held off and also no native 8K movies most likely until 2026+.

You own scores of 4K discs now and 5 Oppo 203 4K disc players, yet you will not buy a 4K display. You can not view the full potential of your many 4K discs, but you write reviews about how each one of them looks downscaled to 2K, which is something that no one cares about whatsoever. Why not also tell us what blu-rays look like when viewed upon a standard definition display?

There are no indications that the studios are going to release "native 8K movies" in 2026 or in any year thereafter. The 4K disc format will soon be 9 years old and you have missed out on what the format can offer for all of that time. That's 9 years that you are not getting back. What a waste, IMO.

[Anthony P]

Originally Posted by HDTV1080P

For a large home or Mansion its common for people to have 10 to 30+ Smart TV’s and/or projectors. Connecting a streaming box like Apple TV ($149) or Google TV ($99.99) with 1,000Mbps ethernet connection is the norm. Some people also have 10 or more digital cable TV boxes or satellite TV boxes.

The person with a 50M home and that wants 10-30 because he might want to make it easy for the live in buttler, 2 nannies , 3 cleaning ladies, 2 coooks.... to watch the collection in their sleeping quarters does not care what K costs. The person with the 200k house does but that person isn't interested in K anyways because pluto is free.

[Anthony P]

Originally Posted by Vilya

How would you know?

does it matter even if someone has 10-30 TVs?

for example I have a display in my kitchen, I have a display in the bar/Game/HT lobby none of them have UHD BD players connected to the displays because nobody will want to watch movies there.

[Anthony P]

Originally Posted by sapiendut

He reminds me of Alchav21.

he reminds me of the person with with the sticker "my other car is a _____" while driving a wreck.

[Anthony P]

Originally Posted by HDTV1080P

I have personally over the years seen people with 12 or more TV’s in their home

no one said people can't have a dozen displays. The person (if there is anyone) with only one TV is forced to use it for everything.

The TV in my kitchen is used for the news. The TV in my game room is used for sports and music some times. My kids don't have movie players in their rooms unless they are sick in bed and then I disconnect the player from one of the other rooms and bring them some films.

and like someone said, if there is home distribution it is even less necessary to have one on each TV i.e. start a movie on player one in the HT, pause go to bed switch player 1 to output to the BR and unpause.

[bhampton]

Who will look out for the interests of people with 30 TVs who need K systems cheaper if not for this fella?

Those people are counting on him to lower the cost of K systems so let him preach

[bhampton]

This may look like a double post but this post is very different so out of respect to the users who "liked" my post yesterday I'm making a new post today.

I have been interested in and followed news about Kaliedescape systems for many years and I think it's easily over a decade. I have never been and will likely never be a customer but the possibility is growing because they are offering new products that may fit my needs and wants better.

This thread has recently been entertaining but I will not continue to have any opinions to contribute unless or until I become a customer.

Frankly, I find it disrespectful to comment on a product without ever fully understanding the product. I will state the obvious and remind us all that K has no competitors and offers a unique system with features found no where else. With that simple fact in mind, I don't think anyone has the footing to suggest they should do anything in particular.

[Vilya]

Originally Posted by bhampton

Frankly, I find it disrespectful to comment on a product without ever fully understanding the product. I will state the obvious and remind us all that K has no competitors and offers a unique system with features found no where else. With that simple fact in mind, I don't think anyone has the footing to suggest they should do anything in particular.

Understanding is gained by discussing a product. Asking questions and making suggestions, even curious ones, is not disrespectful. Considering the cost of this product it is only natural for people to be inquisitive.

[Anthony P]

I think it can be disrespectful when it is sour grapes or people that don't understand the basics proclaiming themselves an expert, but generally I agree people can discuss because they want to know more about a product they are not sure about.

[Vilya]

Originally Posted by Anthony P

I think it can be disrespectful when it is sour grapes or people that don't understand the basics proclaiming themselves an expert, but generally I agree people can discuss because they want to know more about a product they are not sure about.

I have read some head scratching comments here, but nothing that I would consider to be disrespectful.

[bhampton]

Well,

I value your opinion in all things Vilya so I will try to clarify my thoery about what I found disrespectful.

I don't have the system and likely never will so I think it would be disrespectful for me to say K should do this or that particularly when I have no stake in what K does. That would imply K has made some type of error in judgement. As I said, K has no competitor. They offer something no one else does. I think that gives them the right to decide on whatever price structure they want. People have the right to simply not buy one and that's been exactly my reaction.

If Physical Media was to go away to some extent then my love of high quality media would make me look twice at a K system because they would have a bit of a monopoly on high quality AV. I can hear a difference with high quality media that most people cannot or simply it doesn't matter much to them.

Anyways ... hopefully that clarifies my stance. Maybe makes it worse ... that's the danger of trying to explain myself.

Seems like 1080pHDTV is a bit of an arm chair quarterback saying this or that should be done while having no real idea about much of anything.

The real message is "I can't afford this thing please cater to my needs" ...

That's how I read it anyhow. If I ever want the K stuff ... I'll reassess my thoughts about it.

[Vilya]

Originally Posted by bhampton

Well,

I value your opinion in all things Vilya so I will try to clarify my thoery about what I found disrespectful.

I don't have the system and likely never will so I think it would be disrespectful for me to say K should do this or that particularly when I have no stake in what K does. That would imply K has made some type of error in judgement. As I said, K has no competitor. They offer something no one else does. I think that gives them the right to decide on whatever price structure they want. People have the right to simply not buy one and that's been exactly my reaction.

If Physical Media was to go away to some extent then my love of high quality media would make me look twice at a K system because they would have a bit of a monopoly on high quality AV. I can hear a difference with high quality media that most people cannot or simply it doesn't matter much to them.

Anyways ... hopefully that clarifies my stance. Maybe makes it worse ... that's the danger of trying to explain myself.

Seems like 1080pHDTV is a bit of an arm chair quarterback saying this or that should be done while having no real idea about much of anything.

The real message is "I can't afford this thing please cater to my needs" ...

That's how I read it anyhow. If I ever want the K stuff ... I'll reassess my thoughts about it.

You express yourself just fine and thank you for the compliment.

Complaining about the marketing strategy, or price, of something that you have no intention of buying in the first place is a pointless endeavor.

Discussing features that you wish a product had is valid if you actually have that product or if you are genuinely considering buying it.

If someone is just here to say that they're doing it wrong, then that becomes tedious fast.

In the case of the person in question, I do not think that he is serious about any of this. If he won't even buy a 4K display, what are the odds that he will spend $4000+ to own a Kaleidescape system?

Even so, I do not think that he means to be disrespectful. He is what is known as a "tire kicker", the kinda guy that comes into a car dealership just to ask a bunch of questions about the newest models, maybe even take a test drive, but who never had any intention of buying anything.

[Mr.Poindexter]

Some of the things I really like about the Kaleidescape is the digital upgrades. I have had movies I bought on DVD that I was able to upgrade into HD versions and then again into 4K versions. Films I have bought have gotten audio upgrades and suddenly I find that I can redownload it and get an ATMOS audio track. For no additional cost.

I spent a hell of a lot to upgrade to Atmos on BluRay for Game of Thrones on physical media and get no credit for buying it previously. That is a nice value there. I have literally upgraded hundreds upon hundreds of DVDs into HD and then probably over 150 of them into 4K. Later upgrades from 4K into 4K HDR10 and Dolby Vision have been free since I paid for the 4K version already.

Looking forward to seeing how fast these titles download when I get my Internet speed upgraded at the end of this week. (Going from 500mbps to 2GBps+).