Death blow to Toshiba's SRT/SUC/Res+ upconverter: It doesn't work in real-time!

[Paganmoon]

http://www.tgdaily.com/content/view/38921/97/

Seems this could be it? not much info is available about the new player tho, so no info on it using Cell, and as it looks it wont be using SRT (whatever it stands for).

/P

[tron3]

Originally Posted by ckenisell

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Hasn't the PS3 outsold all other BD players combined?

True, but the PS3 had the benefit of an installed fan base from the PS1 & 2. Gaming systems are big business, which is why people bought them. When BD finally showed up the tides shifted a bit as to why people bought PS3. In all, it still is the best value for the money.

Now that we are seeing better BD players that will start to change. BD players will become cheaper than PS3 soon enough. The point is really moot because there are no serious threats to BD as the leading HD media.

Digital Download and HD Tivo serve different market segments. They will peacefully co-exist with BD.

[Branden]

Originally Posted by CassilineKnight

I think HD DVD in many ways was better than Bluray.

Originally Posted by CassilineKnight

I said in some ways HD DVD was better than Bluray.

you're going to have to really expand on that.
the ONLY thing i could think of that HD-DVD had over BD was its specs were finalized from day one. but even that was a double-edged sword, leaving HD-DVD with no allowance for future improvements, which is exactly what BD's profiles brought.
so what exactly made HD-DVD better than BD in "many/some" ways?

[Tok]

In one article I read about the XDE player even the Toshiba PR rep was downplaying its ability to compete with Blu-ray. I believe the comment was: If you want Blu-ray, then get it.

Like their other demos they did not show it against BD. They compared it against a run-of-the-mill upconverting player.

This whole issue is much ado about nothing. Toshiba knows it.

With my large DVD collection, I am the type of consumer Toshiba is targeting. Guess what Toshiba... you can keep it.

[Anthony P]

The weird thing is all blu ray players are backwards compatible and probably will be forever. That means royalties on every player sold. I don't necessarily see it counter to Toshiba's interests to start making Blu Ray players.

Yes BD players play DVDs and they will most likely always do. But you are missing some important key elements that make all the difference

1) It is not just player it is everything DVD related (look at the table in the second article)

2) Royalties are not fixed (look at both articles to see the decrease in fees). So as it becomes less important it is a double whammy not only will less disks be produced but the royalties per disk/player need to decrease

3) Since Toshiba is not by itself and can't decide on the fees by themselves and will get its share of the fees agreed for by the majority, so for example if the rest ever decide DVD fees = 0 then Toshiba as part of 6cla won't be able to say I still want X and will get their share of 0 which is 0

http://www.dvd6cla.com/news_20020212.html
http://www.dvd6cla.com/news_20080125.html

so you are completely wrong if you think that just because BD players will be DVD players that Toshibas income from DVD royalties won't change.

[Anthony P]

Funny how you say the "threat" is DVD yet later on you say that DVD royalties or w/e will decline therefore Toshiba has to join Bluray.

DVD royalties will decline no matter what, per disk/player they have been declining since it launched (look at the two articles I posted in my previous post), the only way they wont is if for some reason you think DVD sales will increase dramatically. Even if DVD remains and never decreases for the next 10 years (and even if it increases a bit over time) Royalties for Toshiba will keep going down. So the two are not contradictory.

Now as for bribes. I didn't mention Toshiba's bribe specifically. However didn't my post imply that Toshiba also gave bribes? If you want me to say it explicitly then fine. Toshiba probably (I only say probably cuz I haven't seen any concrete proof). However I think it's pretty much a guarantee that they did bribe Universal/Paramount.

Bottom line is that that whatever money Toshiba brought out for the war it's just as SURE a fact that sony brought out MORE MONEY to win the war in the way of bribes or w/e.

Are you totally insane. We have Toshiba’s financial records showing the payments and Paramount’s and DreamWorks financials showing the received bribe and you are not sure if it exists so you left open the possibility but even though there is no other equivalent bribe on the BD side you are sure it happened. You can hide small incentives (like Toshiba giving them a brake on their AVC encoder which is why Paramount and DW changed from VC-1 to AVC at the same time) but big bribes are one time money exchanges that that will affect the final results and so must be included in the filling. If the same thing happened on the BD side we would have the equivalent evidence on the BD side. But it is not there.

[gandley]

So toshiba are lining up the release of the XDE (xtended detail enhancers) players.

are these the same as SUC

http://www.theinquirer.net/gb/inquir...ba-returns-dvd

The XD-E500 will cost $149.99

[Tok]

Originally Posted by gandley

So toshiba are lining up the release of the XDE (xtended detail enhancers) players.

are these the same as SUC

http://www.theinquirer.net/gb/inquir...ba-returns-dvd

I am not sure. I think Toshiba's grand plan is to have a player that can do extensive inter-frame interpolation to get closer to BD quality. But as it has already been pointed out, the technology and hardware to do extensive processing is both time and cost prohibitive.

I doubt at the rate BD is growing that the public will ever see the full-tilt version of SUC on a consumer product.

Again I don't care how advanced the system is because no interpolation algorithm in the end will ever replace real data.

[CptGreedle]

The one thing they didn't mention was whether or not you have to "buffer" or pre-process DVDs with this. I'm not sure it's the same technology they were using before since it has a different name, but it sounds like the same thing to me.

[badboi]

Looks like the girls are getting all moist over at HDD:

http://forums.highdefdigest.com/high...ml#post1139372

All I can say is

[mattym]

linky no worky

[badboi]

Originally Posted by mattym

linky no worky

Try it now.

[RUR]

Originally Posted by badboi

Looks like the girls are getting all moist over at HDD:

http://forums.highdefdigest.com/high...side-side.html

All I can say is

Heh, a test run by Toshiba Canada. Now there's an unbiased test source.

HDD is the same 4-5 HD DVD bitter-enders, though xboxboi was MIA for so long I figured he'd expired from twinkie poisoning in his mom's basement. These guys would be urinating all over this as a replacement for true HD had HD DVD prevailed.

[Septimus Prime]

XDE: Sharper than BD, huh?

[badboi]

Originally Posted by RUR

Heh, a test run by Toshiba Canada. Now there's an unbiased test source.

I think Stevie Wonder and Helen Keller were some of the testers.

Amazing how all that internet hoodoo and interactive hocus pocus were so important to the Duders, and now it just doesn't get a mention.

[Intamin]

Originally Posted by badboi

I think Stevie Wonder and Helen Keller were some of the testers.

Amazing how all that internet hoodoo and interactive hocus pocus were so important to the Duders, and now it just doesn't get a mention.

I still can't understand why people would be even following XDE, or any of Toshiba's mess. What's the point and what end are they trying to acheive? I guess some people really have nothing better to do with their time.

[4K display]

I would love to hear comments from the big wigs of the larger retailer stores.

Excited or mystified?

Threat or compliment?

There is no doubt that retailers see BD as a great growth opportunity for their industry and the notion that they would put up with any CE trying to hinder that just blows my mind.

Amazon will sell SUC, they'll ***** anything, but other retailers should drop all Toshiba product and send them a nasty memo:
After a messy format war that you were a big part of we no longer desire to share the same consumer electronics road you're going down...Please look elsewhere for your sell-through needs.

[badboi]

Good God, now they are really crawling out of the woodwork. Lestat (Deadmeat, Little Meat, No Meat, whatever) is over there posting in another Toshiba supersuc thread. Guess all the bridges were raised earlier this evening.

[BLu-Balls]

[QUOTE=RUR;1094538]Heh, a test run by Toshiba Canada. Now there's an unbiased test source.[QUOTE]


We are from Canada, eh. We don't even know about Blu-ray.

Jking.

[BLu-Balls]

[QUOTE=BLu-Balls;1094805][QUOTE=RUR;1094538]Heh, a test run by Toshiba Canada. Now there's an unbiased test source.

We are from Canada, eh. We don't even know about Blu-ray.

Jking.

And apparently, I don't know how to Quote and paste. Lol