Blade Runner 2049 3D Blu-ray (2017) [Region Free]

[Mobe1969]

Originally Posted by Trekkie313

Is the bitrate for this release really that low? Don't know how incredible it can be with only 10.14 Mbps.

Probably look better being played off the UHD converted by my Panasonic.

Video
ID                             : 1
ID in the original source medi : 4113 (0x1011)
Format                         : AVC
Format/Info                    : Advanced Video Codec
Format profile                 : Stereo High@L4.1 / High@L4.1
MultiView_Count                : 2
MultiView_Layout               : Both Eyes laced in one block (left eye first)
Format settings                : CABAC / 2 Ref Frames
Format settings, CABAC         : Yes
Format settings, Reference fra : 2 frames
Codec ID                       : V_MPEG4/ISO/AVC
Duration                       : 2 h 43 min
Bit rate mode                  : Variable
Bit rate                       : 33.6 Mb/s
Width                          : 1 920 pixels
Height                         : 1 080 pixels
Display aspect ratio           : 16:9
Frame rate mode                : Constant
Frame rate                     : 23.976 (24000/1001) FPS
Color space                    : YUV
Chroma subsampling             : 4:2:0
Bit depth                      : 8 bits
Scan type                      : Progressive
Bits/(Pixel*Frame)             : 0.675
Stream size                    : 38.3 GiB (88%)
Language                       : English
Default                        : No
Forced                         : No
Original source medium         : Blu-ray

And note, with the atmos track, it won't fit on a bd50.

[cvarrick]

Hi. There's a 3d version that's $14.96 on amazon right now, but there's a disclaimer box that says:
"Playback Region B/2 : This will not play on most Blu-ray players sold in North America, Central America, South America, Japan, North Korea, South Korea, Taiwan, Hong Kong and Southeast Asia. Learn more about Blu-ray region specifications here".
The review page on this site containing the link for the $14.96 version says it's region free, but the photo of the cover says "bluray3d+bluray+digital" at the top, whereas the photo on amazon (that the "buy now" link send you to) says "bluray3d+bluray", so I'm guessing there's mix up somewhere.

Long story short: is the region b warning on amazon correct? (I have a region free player (seiki) but it won't play 3d)

Thanks

[grazina31]

Originally Posted by Mobe1969

Video
ID                             : 1
ID in the original source medi : 4113 (0x1011)
Format                         : AVC
Format/Info                    : Advanced Video Codec
Format profile                 : Stereo High@L4.1 / High@L4.1
MultiView_Count                : 2
MultiView_Layout               : Both Eyes laced in one block (left eye first)
Format settings                : CABAC / 2 Ref Frames
Format settings, CABAC         : Yes
Format settings, Reference fra : 2 frames
Codec ID                       : V_MPEG4/ISO/AVC
Duration                       : 2 h 43 min
Bit rate mode                  : Variable
Bit rate                       : 33.6 Mb/s
Width                          : 1 920 pixels
Height                         : 1 080 pixels
Display aspect ratio           : 16:9
Frame rate mode                : Constant
Frame rate                     : 23.976 (24000/1001) FPS
Color space                    : YUV
Chroma subsampling             : 4:2:0
Bit depth                      : 8 bits
Scan type                      : Progressive
Bits/(Pixel*Frame)             : 0.675
Stream size                    : 38.3 GiB (88%)
Language                       : English
Default                        : No
Forced                         : No
Original source medium         : Blu-ray

And note, with the atmos track, it won't fit on a bd50.

In theory, you could do a 3D disc with atmos fit on a bd50 if you used the US disc and atmos track as the base.

[J___T]

Originally Posted by cvarrick

Hi. There's a 3d version that's $14.96 on amazon right now, but there's a disclaimer box that says:
"Playback Region B/2 : This will not play on most Blu-ray players sold in North America, Central America, South America, Japan, North Korea, South Korea, Taiwan, Hong Kong and Southeast Asia. Learn more about Blu-ray region specifications here".
The review page on this site containing the link for the $14.96 version says it's region free, but the photo of the cover says "bluray3d+bluray+digital" at the top, whereas the photo on amazon (that the "buy now" link send you to) says "bluray3d+bluray", so I'm guessing there's mix up somewhere.

Long story short: is the region b warning on amazon correct? (I have a region free player (seiki) but it won't play 3d)

Thanks

I was about to buy this and came here with questions too.

I've long been under the impression that all 3D Blu-rays are region-free, ergo it would only be the standard Blu-ray in this set that would be unplayable on a region-locked U.S. standard Blu-ray player. But that disc would be playable on your region-free player, since again it's the standard Blu and not the 3D that's region-locked. Did you buy it? Am I right? Or did the conflicting claims prevent a sale?


My own question to all the folks in this thread, though, is that while the Blu-ray.com link says it's for the 3D version, and the Amazon product photo at that page shows the U.S. 3D front cover, in five other places in that listing it says this product is not the 3D version but rather the regular Blu-ray.

This is a pattern I've puzzled over before at Amazon. Is it the single photo of the 3D release that's erroneous, or is it the four places the listing has a chance to tell you it's 3D but fails to do so, plus the fact that the little format button for that listing is the regular Blu-ray and not the 3D?

[levcore]

Originally Posted by J___T

I was about to buy this and came here with questions too.

I've long been under the impression that all 3D Blu-rays are region-free, ergo it would only be the standard Blu-ray in this set that would be unplayable on a region-locked U.S. standard Blu-ray player. But that disc would be playable on your region-free player, since again it's the standard Blu and not the 3D that's region-locked. Did you buy it? Am I right? Or did the conflicting claims prevent a sale?


My own question to all the folks in this thread, though, is that while the Blu-ray.com link says it's for the 3D version, and the Amazon product photo at that page shows the U.S. 3D front cover, in five other places in that listing it says this product is not the 3D version but rather the regular Blu-ray.

This is a pattern I've puzzled over before at Amazon. Is it the single photo of the 3D release that's erroneous, or is it the four places the listing has a chance to tell you it's 3D but fails to do so, plus the fact that the little format button for that listing is the regular Blu-ray and not the 3D?

All 3D blu rays are NOT region free, however all Warner Bros Blu Rays ARE region free. So for this movie, all Blu Rays, 3D or not will be region free.

[J___T]

Yikes. That's good to know. Especially as I was just over on Amazon.co.uk putting together a cart.

I wonder how many international Blu-rays that I've bought and not tried to watch yet aren't actually playable on my device anyway.

Is there some kind of key on the site to which companies' 3D Blu-rays are region-free, or do you have to go title by title to the listings here (most of which seem to say untested)?

[the13thman]

Originally Posted by J___T

Yikes. That's good to know. Especially as I was just over on Amazon.co.uk putting together a cart.

I wonder how many international Blu-rays that I've bought and not tried to watch yet aren't actually playable on my device anyway.

Is there some kind of key on the site to which companies' 3D Blu-rays are region-free, or do you have to go title by title to the listings here (most of which seem to say untested)?

See the first post in this thread: https://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread.php?t=287862

As for a key, what I do is put region coding information into the title of EVERY 3D movie thread and often the first post too if there are variations to note. This thread has [Region Free] in the title which means the film is region free wherever you buy it.

[J___T]

Thanks for the reply and the link. I searched your first page for several of the titles in my cart and none of them were mentioned, but armed with the knowledge not all 3D titles are region-free, I went back and removed a couple that actually said PAL (which I thought had been describing the standard Blu). I'm going to come back when I'm fresher and skim through the rest of that thread.

What makes it so tricky is, as cvarrick mentions in their post, the Amazon listing for this title neglects to list it as 3D anywhere on the page (outside of the photo) and then actually puts a disclaimer template saying it's Region B and won't play.

I take levcore's word that all Warner Bros Blu-rays are region-free, but given that, then the Amazon seller's listing is clearly wrong, which makes all the Amazon listings for the other titles seem untrustworthy, especially for those which—like this one—don't even actually specify that they're 3D anywhere in their descriptions other than the photo.

Love your commitment to 3D, I'm with ya! Happy New Year!

[the13thman]

Originally Posted by J___T

Thanks for the reply and the link. I searched your first page for several of the titles in my cart and none of them were mentioned, but armed with the knowledge not all 3D titles are region-free, I went back and removed a couple that actually said PAL (which I thought had been describing the standard Blu). I'm going to come back when I'm fresher and skim through the rest of that thread.

What makes it so tricky is, as cvarrick mentions in their post, the Amazon listing for this title neglects to list it as 3D anywhere on the page (outside of the photo) and then actually puts a disclaimer template saying it's Region B and won't play.

I take levcore's word that all Warner Bros Blu-rays are region-free, but given that, then the Amazon seller's listing is clearly wrong, which makes all the Amazon listings for the other titles seem untrustworthy, especially for those which—like this one—don't even actually specify that they're 3D anywhere in their descriptions other than the photo.

Love your commitment to 3D, I'm with ya! Happy New Year!

Technically there are a few Warner Bros Blu-rays that are not region free but they tend to be rare single-country releases where they are only the distributor (e.g. Every Thing Will Be Fine in Germany, Torrente 4 in Spain). Any film Warners produce themselves is always region free on Blu-ray.

Unfortunately Amazon listings are often very wrong, they often fill out details on a generic placeholder basis and subsequently fail to update them. Their listing for BR2049 is a real mess, it's not surprising you got confused. This site is better but many discs remain untested to confirm the status. For this forum I have checked the status of every 3D Blu-ray that has a thread, if someone confirms that a locked title is actually region free (or the other way around) then the thread gets updated.

Of course, a region-free player (or one locked to whichever region you aren't in) is an essential purchase for any movie collector, 3D or otherwise.

[cvarrick]

Originally Posted by the13thman

Technically there are a few Warner Bros Blu-rays that are not region free but they tend to be rare single-country releases where they are only the distributor (e.g. Every Thing Will Be Fine in Germany, Torrente 4 in Spain). Any film Warners produce themselves is always region free on Blu-ray.

Unfortunately Amazon listings are often very wrong, they often fill out details on a generic placeholder basis and subsequently fail to update them. Their listing for BR2049 is a real mess, it's not surprising you got confused. This site is better but many discs remain untested to confirm the status. For this forum I have checked the status of every 3D Blu-ray that has a thread, if someone confirms that a locked title is actually region free (or the other way around) then the thread gets updated.

Of course, a region-free player (or one locked to whichever region you aren't in) is an essential purchase for any movie collector, 3D or otherwise.

Thanks for this, & to j_t for bumping my question. I'm going to buy it now, will post results here when received.

[roguejp]

Popped this one in last night, it's been a while since I watched it. And boy o boy, what a delight it was again. I had forgotten just how good the 3d is in this movie.

The story is still beautiful and how much gorgeous scenes can exist in one movie?

I rarely compare editions, but I wanted to see how the really great 3d final snowscene was on the UHD. It loses so much of the impact on the UHD, the 3d just adds so much more.

What a movie.

[SlaughterX]

almost tempted to buy it since it's only $15... but I gave my 3D Samsung to my mom and sold my E6P, and I probably wouldn't want to watch it on my ol 55 inch Samsung with just a sound bar. Guess I'll pass.

[cvarrick]

Originally Posted by cvarrick

Thanks for this, & to j_t for bumping my question. I'm going to buy it now, will post results here when received.

Confirming that the 3d disc does play on a US region A bluray player.

[Gummi]

Originally Posted by cvarrick

Confirming that the 3d disc does play on a US region A bluray player.

Can you confirm if Amazon actually sold you a European version or if you got the US one despite the disclaimer?

The US version is the only 3D disc in the world with lossless audio, all other versions have a lossy Dolby Digital track only, which to me is completely unacceptable.

[grazina31]

Originally Posted by Gummi

Can you confirm if Amazon actually sold you a European version or if you got the US one despite the disclaimer?

The US version is the only 3D disc in the world with lossless audio, all other versions have a lossy Dolby Digital track only, which to me is completely unacceptable.

The video bitrate is higher on the European 3D disc, and the US disc is also 5.1, albeit being DTS-MA. I'm sure the 3D conversion is identical in both editions but in never hurts to have a higher bitrate.

Sony/European Disc

DISC INFO:

Disc Title:     BLADE_RUNNER_2049
Disc Size:      47,131,682,196 bytes
Protection:     AACS
BD-Java:        Yes
Extras:         Blu-ray 3D
BDInfo:         0.5.8

PLAYLIST REPORT:

Name:                   00334.MPLS
Length:                 2:43:27.798 (h:m:s.ms)
Size:                   45,816,238,080 bytes
Total Bitrate:          37.37 Mbps

(*) Indicates included stream hidden by this playlist.

VIDEO:

Codec                   Bitrate             Description     
-----                   -------             -----------     
MPEG-4 AVC Video        21959 kbps          1080p / 23.976 fps / 16:9 / High Profile 4.1
MPEG-4 MVC Video        11593 kbps                          

AUDIO:

Codec                           Language        Bitrate         Description     
-----                           --------        -------         -----------     
Dolby Digital Audio             English         640 kbps        5.1 / 48 kHz / 640 kbps
Dolby Digital Audio             English         640 kbps        5.1 / 48 kHz / 640 kbps

SUBTITLES:

Codec                           Language        Bitrate         Description     
-----                           --------        -------         -----------     
Presentation Graphics           English         14.951 kbps                     
* Presentation Graphics         English         14.975 kbps                     
Presentation Graphics           English         19.026 kbps                     
Presentation Graphics           Chinese         14.755 kbps                     
Presentation Graphics           Chinese         14.872 kbps                     
Presentation Graphics           Chinese         14.037 kbps                     
Presentation Graphics           Indonesian      18.142 kbps                     
Presentation Graphics           Korean          13.404 kbps                     
Presentation Graphics           Spanish         17.018 kbps                     
Presentation Graphics           Thai            16.968 kbps

Warner/USA Disc

DISC INFO:

Disc Title:     BLADE_RUNNER_2049
Disc Size:      49,382,225,913 bytes
Protection:     AACS
BD-Java:        Yes
Extras:         Blu-ray 3D
BDInfo:         0.5.8

PLAYLIST REPORT:

Name:                   00002.MPLS
Length:                 2:43:47.818 (h:m:s.ms)
Size:                   46,209,693,696 bytes
Total Bitrate:          37.62 Mbps

VIDEO:

Codec                   Bitrate             Description     
-----                   -------             -----------     
MPEG-4 AVC Video        18943 kbps          1080p / 23.976 fps / 16:9 / High Profile 4.1
MPEG-4 MVC Video        10145 kbps                          

AUDIO:

Codec                           Language        Bitrate         Description     
-----                           --------        -------         -----------     
DTS-HD Master Audio             English         3826 kbps       5.1 / 48 kHz / 3826 kbps / 24-bit (DTS Core: 5.1 / 48 kHz / 1509 kbps / 24-bit)
Dolby Digital Audio             English         640 kbps        5.1 / 48 kHz / 640 kbps / DN -4dB
Dolby Digital Audio             French          640 kbps        5.1 / 48 kHz / 640 kbps / DN -4dB
Dolby Digital Audio             Spanish         640 kbps        5.1 / 48 kHz / 640 kbps / DN -4dB

SUBTITLES:

Codec                           Language        Bitrate         Description     
-----                           --------        -------         -----------     
Presentation Graphics           English         19.359 kbps                     
Presentation Graphics           French          14.961 kbps                     
Presentation Graphics           Spanish         15.497 kbps                     
Presentation Graphics           French          0.988 kbps                      
Presentation Graphics           Spanish         1.399 kbps

And if you plan on remuxing the Atmos track with the 3D video, the Sony 4K disc has the higher bitrate. However, You could not make an ISO that is burnable, as the output size would be larger than what fits on a disc. For that you would need to use the Warner disc and that would be burnable unto a disc.

[Gummi]

That's interesting, thank you for this info.
I wonder if there is any perceivable difference in the video. I have not messed with remuxing 3D blu-rays yet, though I have ordered a playback device to play frame-packed 3D files, so hopefully I can take advantage of that in the future.

But generally I avoid buying anything with lossy audio only. I'm also not Atmos capable yet, but plan to be someday, at which point I would be highly motivated to remux 3D video with Atmos audio.

[cdx47]

Originally Posted by Gummi

I'm also not Atmos capable yet, but plan to be someday, at which point I would be highly motivated to remux 3D video with Atmos audio.

Apologies in advance because I've said this so many times. But if the Atmos/DTS:x audio mix is good, then 3D Audio + 3D Video is next level. Upmixing DTS-HD to the height speakers can also provide a nice experience and for the not so good Atmos/DTS:x tracks it might even be better.

[3disciple]

You can mux the European video with the 4k atmos track on a 50G disc if you cut out the end credits.

[grazina31]

Originally Posted by 3disciple

You can mux the European video with the 4k atmos track on a 50G disc if you cut out the end credits.

I know. and I almost wrote that on my post, but I feel like that is cheating, and the movie just ends abruptly. Reminds me of a dvd edition I had from The Myth where the end credits were on a different disc, to maximise the video bitrate. I hated it.

[3disciple]

Originally Posted by grazina31

I know. and I almost wrote that on my post, but I feel like that is cheating, and the movie just ends abruptly. Reminds me of a dvd edition I had from The Myth where the end credits were on a different disc, to maximise the video bitrate. I hated it.

It's ungainly. This and the Cinavia titles prompted me to go the NAS route. Good to have both though.