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EDIT: Sorry, I read it wrong. I thought the middle one was without Dialnorm correction and the bottom one was after it had been corrected. |
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Also please note that the case for the Walmart BSE (Big Screen Edition/IMAX) exclusive is identical b/w the DVD and BD with the exception of the blue stripe up top for the BD. |
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![]() After testing multiple scenes on the IMAX version for a second time... I get the same results when using an SPL meter. I do not have a lack of bass when switching between the MA or the core track. If anything, I have more bass with the MA. I also basically did this blindly where I was switching between bitstream and PCM without knowing which one was which by simply holding the remote in my hand and hitting up/down and enter. But every time I noticed a sublte improvement, I would check and it would be the MA track being decoded. |
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#149 |
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Because, for the millionth time, Dialnorm simply adjusts the volume of the track. It does not take anything away from the audio. A -4db difference is NOT "excessively dial-normed" either. It's actually on par with pretty much every other Paramount release.
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Because they reviewed the Standard version, not the Imax version which has inconclusive reports on it's audio comparison to the standard, which most believe sounds better.
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It's a small piece of data to tell your receiver to turn down the volume by -4db. If you have a Blu-ray PC drive, you can manually strip away this small data and you will get the original and unaltered soundtrack. And for all we know, it could very well be the same as the regular BD. |
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I will attest and say the Regular BD sounds better than the IMAX BD.
I own both and tried out the opening sequences on each disc (Paramount title/Fallen and the "cavemen"/Shanghai scenes). Regular version wins out strictly on an audio comparison. Simply "turning up the volume" on the IMAX BD didn't cut it. There were still audio issues with the track itself. Although, it sounds great in my personal, home IMAX theater at my beach villa. Last edited by scubasteve2; 10-23-2009 at 06:26 PM. |
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So how is it that people comparing both are saying "once you adjust for dialnorm, they sound identical" while others are claiming there's more to it than that and the regular version still sounds better? |
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#154 | |
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Does your IMAX theater require special decoders or do you have audio equipment comparable to consumer level AVR decoding? |
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Ok let me try this again, as I found a mistake. It seems that eac3to was not taking the dialognorm out of the MA track really, just saying it had. I redid it again this time leaving dialognorm on for everything. In the image the top one is the core with dialognorm still in it, the middle one is the MA track with dialognorm still in it, and the last one is the MA track after it has had 4dbs added back to it. With the 4db from the dialognorm added back in, it hits its 0db mark. This shows that the core has no more LFE than the MA track does, you can also see the parts that were lost in the lossy core over the lossless MA track on the IMAX version.
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Now if someone would only compare the theatrical to the IMAX version all this back and forth could pretty much end (though I highly doubt it would, there would still be those claiming to hear a major difference). |
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Well I have it in my Netflix queue, but you know how that is with everyone wanting it and it being a new release. |
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Thanks for the output Apophis, maybe someone else who has the theatrical can do that one. It'd be good to do the forest, the steel factory opening and the ending, since those are the booming/most dynamic The MA track absolutely has more bass to it, here I overlayed them, but replace color wasn't capturing the dithered bits, so here's animated GIF (have to download zip cause forum converts to jpg) Last edited by Jeff Kleist; 10-23-2009 at 08:10 PM. |
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Could somebody PLEASE do a graph like this for the BSE vs the Standard version so we can verify one way or the other IF the audio tracks are the same or not after turning up the BSE 4db? The problem is this review.......http://www.highdefdiscnews.com/?p=27195....... makes no sense IF the only dif between these 2 versions is a 4db decrease due to dialnorm. Once you turn up the BSE 4db the 2 tracks should be IDENTICAL, BUT highdefdiscnews is reporting a 8-10db dif still after all that which makes no fricken sense unless the 2 tracks are infact dif mixes. If somebody could do a graph like the one above for the BSE vs the regular version we could kill this confusion and solve this once and for all. At this point I am ready to take back my unopened BSE and grab the regular version as I am not convinced the ONLY dif is a 4db volume dif.........A comparison graph of a few dif scenes throughout the film could give us the answer to this and we can put this behind us. Last edited by Todd Smith; 10-23-2009 at 11:13 PM. |
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