"Tiesto: Elements of Life" Copenhagen Audio Poll (and release info)

[JadedRaverLA]

With the news of the release of "Tiesto: Elements of Life" a member of the production company has asked whether potential owners would like a PCM track added to the list of available audio tracks.

Already planned are:
Dolby Digital 5.1 640k
Dolby Digital 2.0 224k
DTS-HD MA Lossless

Adding a PCM track might require the video bitrate to be cutback to accomodate the additional space required for having two lossless tracks, but would allow owners of the PS3 to have lossless audio output to compatible receivers.. whereas DTS-HD MA isn't (currently) supported.

The plan is to release the title as 2 BD25 discs (about 2 hrs video on each) in 1080i.

[UlicBelouve]

AQ would be more important than PQ for this one, and I would like a PCM track added.

Personally, I don't think I have the compatible receiver for for PCM. But I may in the future, and the additon of PCM may make it more attractive to other buyers, which I would like also.

Edit: Ah, I see the poll is up now.

[nhaase]

I would say yes, for a couple of reasons:

1. As you mentioned, the PS3, and other players, cannot decode or send DTSMA bitstream to receivers, so w/ those codecs we would miss out on lossless audio. The PCM track ensures that nobody gets the shaft.

2. This is my opinion, but since this is a concert blu-ray, the music quality should be at the forefront, and as I mentioned before, PCM ensures all get to enjoy it. If you have to sacrifice something, I would say a little video content.

[dobyblue]

If it's 24/48 there would be no impact on the video worth mentioning.

dts-ma = approx 3 Mbps
PCM = 6.912 Mbps
DD 5.1 = 0.625 Mbps
DD 2.0 = .21875 Mbps

Total = approx 10.755 Mbps

Leaving 37.244 Mbps for video.

If it's all 24/96 then I'll be happy with the dts-ma.

[RC-Bruin]

Forget the PCM.... How about including some party favors.

[JadedRaverLA]

Originally Posted by dobyblue

If it's 24/48 there would be no impact on the video worth mentioning.

dts-ma = approx 3 Mbps
PCM = 6.912 Mbps
DD 5.1 = 0.625 Mbps
DD 2.0 = .21875 Mbps

Total = approx 10.755 Mbps

Leaving 37.244 Mbps for video.

If it's all 24/96 then I'll be happy with the dts-ma.

I think the bigger issue is that they need to fit two hours of audio/video onto each BD25 disc. So, while the peak bitrate is more than fine, the average bitrate might need to be lowered.

[owa]

I think it depends on how much the video is impacted by adding PCM. If it's a lot, it'll hurt the title in reviews and a lot of people might not purchase it b/c of that.

I guess I'd prefer that DTS-HD MA be dropped and PCM added with no reduction in the video but that's not one of the options.

So, I guess I'll vote for what they have already even though that means I'll only get the DTS-HD MA core on my PS3.

[dobyblue]

Originally Posted by RC-Bruin

Forget the PCM.... How about including some party favors.

Ha, ha - that reminds me of the re-release of Oakenfold's "Voyage Into Trance" on DVD mixed into Dolby 5.1

The DVD comes with a pair of 3D glasses to make the visuals make more sense.

Although I remember being at a party in Toronto on October 8th, 1994 called "Acid Rain" and I didn't need any ****ing glasses to make that night look incredible.

[dobyblue]

Originally Posted by JadedRaverLA

I think the bigger issue is that they need to fit two hours of audio/video onto each BD25 disc. So, while the peak bitrate is more than fine, the average bitrate might need to be lowered.

Can't they be convinced that BD50's are the way to go?

[Chuey]

I say Yes to PCM and hopfully it will not affect video too much, I think video is as important for a concert disk. I will cut out DD 5.1 to save some space. why can't they put it on a BD50 disk?

[savage1984]

I say tuff it out until us ps3 owners get DTS HD MA sometime in May (prediction).

[JadedRaverLA]

Originally Posted by dobyblue

Can't they be convinced that BD50's are the way to go?

I seriously doubt it. Even if they'd like to... I would imagine they'll be using a smaller replicator who can't yet handle BD50 anyway. Plus, of course, the costs go up considerably.

Originally Posted by Chuey

I say Yes to PCM and hopfully it will not affect video too much, I think video is as important for a concert disk. I will cut out DD 5.1 to save some space. why can't they put it on a BD50 disk?

See above. Also, a two disc set has more perceived value among consumers.

[benzboi3]

Originally Posted by JadedRaverLA

With the news of the release of "Tiesto: Elements of Life" a member of the production company has asked whether potential owners would like a PCM track added to the list of available audio tracks.

Already planned are:
Dolby Digital 5.1 640k
Dolby Digital 2.0 224k
DTS-HD MA Lossless

Adding a PCM track might require the video bitrate to be cutback to accomodate the additional space required for having two lossless tracks, but would allow owners of the PS3 to have lossless audio output to compatible receivers.. whereas DTS-HD MA isn't (currently) supported.

The plan is to release the title as 2 BD25 discs (about 2 hrs video on each) in 1080i.

i really hope you mean 1080p, really looking forward to this title but i hope that was a typo

[JadedRaverLA]

Originally Posted by benzboi3

i really hope you mean 1080p, really looking forward to this title but i hope that was a typo

No typo. It was shot on video, not film -- and at not at 24fps. So it has to be encoded at 1080i. Blu-ray spec doesn't allow anything other than 24fps to be encoded as 1080p. If you have decent deinterlacing in your player or TV then it shouldn't matter.

[seto]

I also vote yes for PCM track. ^^b

[benzboi3]

Originally Posted by JadedRaverLA

No typo. It was shot on video, not film -- and at not at 24fps. So it has to be encoded at 1080i. Blu-ray spec doesn't allow anything other than 24fps to be encoded as 1080p. If you have decent deinterlacing in your player or TV then it shouldn't matter.

ohh i see...hey, if 1080i works for the NFL, it should be fine for tiesto too i guess

[dobyblue]

Do we know what resolution this was recorded in?

[JadedRaverLA]

Originally Posted by dobyblue

Do we know what resolution this was recorded in?

I believe it was recorded at 1080i50.

[doctorsteve]

Can't wait for this! I've only picked up the classic Just Be - but I play the hell out of it. Tiesto should be listened to at MAX volume. It would be nice to have two lossless, but hey, somethings got to give.

At least it's not H-DuD where you wouldn't get even one lossless. I have a PS3, Sure I'd love a PCM track, but not at the expense of video quality.

Once MA support is added (and I hope it is), this won't be an issue.

Here's a question to those who know - is there any limitation in the PS3 architecture that makes MA or TrueHD support impossible? Hope not.

[JadedRaverLA]

Originally Posted by doctorsteve

Once MA support is added (and I hope it is), this won't be an issue.

Here's a question to those who know - is there any limitation in the PS3 architecture that makes MA or TrueHD support impossible? Hope not.

Well, there are still many arguments about the PS3's ability to ever "bitstream" either lossless format. My understanding is that it is NOT possible, but I know many here will argue that point.

As for decoding the audio in the PS3 and outputting it as PCM, no, there's no limitation. The PS3 already decodes Dolby TrueHD internally, and DTS-HD MA support is anticipated... probably not until after Panasonic launches the BD50 standalone that has the same capability, though.