Bloodborne - Page 8 - Blu-ray Forum

jsteinhauer · 02-24-2015, 04:20 AM

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Originally Posted by Derb

I did too digitally. I hope they keep the QTE stuff to a minimum.

If it is at all in the spirit of the Souls games, there will be no QTE's. I have to tell you, there is no experience in the world, like taking on a high dragon, solo, with a two handed sword, wearing nothing but a loin cloth, and coming out victorious. R1 for the normal attack. R2 for the heavy attack. Nothing more, nothing less. But you have to watch for his tell before he breathes fire, so you can run away, because firebreath against a naked warrior is instadeath.

Elandyll · 02-27-2015, 06:12 PM

IGN month long "First" on Bloodborne continues:

The Darkbeast boos fight

http://blog.eu.playstation.com/2015/...st-boss-fight/

Man, this game is going to be insane...

Elandyll · 03-02-2015, 07:02 PM

Launch Trailer:

Omegaice · 03-02-2015, 08:49 PM

I scared.

ratandjmt · 03-03-2015, 12:55 AM

It looks amazing but I still haven't decided on a purchase yet. The main thing holding me back is because I don't know if I want to deal with the difficulty. Continually dying like I did in the Soul's games isn't any fun.

Blu-rob77 · 03-03-2015, 03:08 AM

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Originally Posted by ratandjmt

It looks amazing but I still haven't decided on a purchase yet. The main thing holding me back is because I don't know if I want to deal with the difficulty. Continually dying like I did in the Soul's games isn't any fun.

wow is it that difficult I never played those games! Some of those screenshots look amazing.

jsteinhauer · 03-03-2015, 03:32 AM

Souls games are not difficult, not even a little, in the sense that the gameplay is difficult, or that the enemies are near invincible or that they deal out one-hit kills. Even bosses won't one-hit kill you most of the time. Gameplay is very simple...normal attacks, heavy attacks, rolls and dodges, etc. In Demon's Souls, you could run away from every single non-boss enemy in the game and not get pursued. In many instances, enemies can be defeated with ranged attacks at little risk to the player, though not without cost of resources.

Now, what makes them difficult is that the penalty for death is death. You go back to the beginning of the level, anything you used or lost before death does not get restored, any souls (XP) you gained are lost (but can be reclaimed) and all enemies respawn with full health. You also lose your living form which costs resources to regain. But that's not so big of a deal. These features are all slightly different in each of the prior games, and the "series" became more forgiving, in essence easier, with each installment.

If you are willing to invest the time in the game to learn gameplay, be patient with your progress, and accept that you will die with sometimes frustrating losses, you can find this a very rewarding type of game, if you can learn from your mistakes. That may mean taking a different approach, or returning to an area later upgraded.

If you like cooperative gaming with friends, the design leaves something to be desired, however.

Blu-rob77 · 03-03-2015, 03:53 AM

Ok sounds great! I'm a casual gamer my kids play more then me lol. But this looks to great. This looks to keep me busy for awhile .

jsteinhauer · 03-03-2015, 04:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Blu-rob77

Ok sounds great! I'm a casual gamer my kids play more then me lol. But this looks to great. This looks to keep me busy for awhile .

Now you worry me about misguiding you. I would not consider Souls games casual games.

Everyone who has avoided them (not even tried them) because of difficulty just seems to think they are simply hard games to play. Souls were challenging for other reasons, and you still might be unhappy, if you spent all of your gaming time for the evening and ended up losing all of your progress...more than once. This game really needs a demo, for those unfamiliar. And heck, I don't even know how similar the games will be. Bloodborne is supposed to be more accessible, whatever that means.

ratandjmt · 03-03-2015, 04:43 AM

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Originally Posted by jsteinhauer

Now you worry me about misguiding you. I would not consider Souls games casual games.

Everyone who has avoided them (not even tried them) because of difficulty just seems to think they are simply hard games to play. Souls were challenging for other reasons, and you still might be unhappy, if you spent all of your gaming time for the evening and ended up losing all of your progress...more than once. This game really needs a demo, for those unfamiliar. And heck, I don't even know how similar the games will be. Bloodborne is supposed to be more accessible, whatever that means.

Yeah, the playing all afternoon just to loose your progress because you did something stupid is frustrating. Hopefully Bloodborne will be more forgiving in this area. That is part of the reason I think I am going to wait for some of the reviews on the difficulty.

jsteinhauer · 03-03-2015, 05:31 AM

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Originally Posted by ratandjmt

Yeah, the playing all afternoon just to loose your progress because you did something stupid is frustrating.

Like opening a treasure chest that is not really a treasure chest? Or encountering invisible enemies?

Gamma_Winstead · 03-03-2015, 06:54 AM

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Originally Posted by ratandjmt

Yeah, the playing all afternoon just to loose your progress because you did something stupid is frustrating. Hopefully Bloodborne will be more forgiving in this area. That is part of the reason I think I am going to wait for some of the reviews on the difficulty.

How... How did you run into that scenario at all? That's practically impossible in any souls game. They have bonfires everywhere...

Suntory_Times · 03-03-2015, 07:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Gamma_Winstead

How... How did you run into that scenario at all? That's practically impossible in any souls game. They have bonfires everywhere...

If you know where they are. Some areas are very light on bonfires and people like I presume you and certainly I have played them so much we have forgot how much larger everything felt originally.

Goodintentions · 03-03-2015, 11:17 AM

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Originally Posted by ratandjmt

Yeah, the playing all afternoon just to loose your progress because you did something stupid is frustrating. Hopefully Bloodborne will be more forgiving in this area. That is part of the reason I think I am going to wait for some of the reviews on the difficulty.

considering they said that your lost exp is now put into an enemy that you have to defeat to regain ... means itll be more complicated than inthe souls games where you could quickly run up to a blood stain , grab your exp back and run like hell ....

so dont count on more forgiving ...

and the reason these games were alwaysso hard for people is one simple fact ..

YOU CANT JUST RUN INTO AN ENEMY AND MASH BUTTONS TO DEFEAT THEM ..
which in a game in this type of setup is what most people do ..once you learn to go in slowly , take your time to study the enemies patterns and figure out best course of action , without button mashing the games get considerably easier to play ..

i cant wait for this game ... i hope it renews my love as darks souls II was a major let down for me and i never even bothered to finish it ...

jsteinhauer · 03-03-2015, 11:35 AM

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Originally Posted by Gamma_Winstead

How... How did you run into that scenario at all? That's practically impossible in any souls game. They have bonfires everywhere...

Did you play Demon's Souls? The only bonfire was the one at the start of the level.

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Originally Posted by Goodintentions

so dont count on more forgiving ...

Well, we'll have to see. Forgiveness depends on a lot of things. For instance, it was a relatively simple thing to keep repairing your rings that preserved life and souls in DSII, negating any worries about dying. But having to fight for your bloodspot is interesting. Is this only if you are killed by an enemy, or even if you die by a trap or falling?

dyne · 03-03-2015, 12:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Goodintentions

YOU CANT JUST RUN INTO AN ENEMY AND MASH BUTTONS TO DEFEAT THEM ..
which in a game in this type of setup is what most people do ..once you learn to go in slowly , take your time to study the enemies patterns and figure out best course of action , without button mashing the games get considerably easier to play ..

I was going to post the same thing. You need patience with these games and you will die. Both are things you have to accept before even beginning one.

ratandjmt · 03-03-2015, 12:39 PM

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Originally Posted by dyne

I was going to post the same thing. You need patience with these games and you will die. Both are things you have to accept before even beginning one.

I think this is my real problem. My game play style is usually more of jump in balls deep with guns blazing.

GeneticMutation · 03-03-2015, 02:24 PM

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Originally Posted by ratandjmt

I think this is my real problem. My game play style is usually more of jump in balls deep with guns blazing.

Honestly, that made me laugh out loud! Thanks

Darkhawk9587 · 03-03-2015, 04:45 PM

The more I read/see on this, the more I want to play it. Too bad I still have to finish a lot of games (including DS1 and 2). Looks amazing, though!

KRW1 · 03-03-2015, 06:05 PM

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Originally Posted by jsteinhauer

Now you worry me about misguiding you. I would not consider Souls games casual games.

Everyone who has avoided them (not even tried them) because of difficulty just seems to think they are simply hard games to play. Souls were challenging for other reasons, and you still might be unhappy, if you spent all of your gaming time for the evening and ended up losing all of your progress...more than once. This game really needs a demo, for those unfamiliar. And heck, I don't even know how similar the games will be. Bloodborne is supposed to be more accessible, whatever that means.

It depends on your temperament. I'm as casual as they come but Demon's Souls is one of my top games ever. I don't have time for massive long gaming sessions but still enjoyed finishing it, even if it did take me two years! I didn't mind losing any progress because the game was always fair about it. Hard, yes, very hard at times, but always fair. I never died because of something the game did, it was always something I did, like jumping in balls deep guns blazing or something.

But the level design and amazing sound always drew me back in. Can't wait for this game.

03-02-2015, 08:49 PM	#144
Omegaice Blu-ray Duke Member since:Jun 2008 Location:Burleson, TX. 4K collection:109 Blu-ray collection:427 Trading Score:24	I scared.

03-03-2015, 12:55 AM	#145
ratandjmt Blu-ray Samurai Member since:Oct 2007 Location:San Antonio, TX 4K collection:122 Blu-ray collection:670 Trading Score:2	It looks amazing but I still haven't decided on a purchase yet. The main thing holding me back is because I don't know if I want to deal with the difficulty. Continually dying like I did in the Soul's games isn't any fun.

03-03-2015, 03:32 AM	#147
jsteinhauer Gaming Moderator Member since:Aug 2007 Blu-ray reviews:120 Trading Score:66	Souls games are not difficult, not even a little, in the sense that the gameplay is difficult, or that the enemies are near invincible or that they deal out one-hit kills. Even bosses won't one-hit kill you most of the time. Gameplay is very simple...normal attacks, heavy attacks, rolls and dodges, etc. In Demon's Souls, you could run away from every single non-boss enemy in the game and not get pursued. In many instances, enemies can be defeated with ranged attacks at little risk to the player, though not without cost of resources. Now, what makes them difficult is that the penalty for death is death. You go back to the beginning of the level, anything you used or lost before death does not get restored, any souls (XP) you gained are lost (but can be reclaimed) and all enemies respawn with full health. You also lose your living form which costs resources to regain. But that's not so big of a deal. These features are all slightly different in each of the prior games, and the "series" became more forgiving, in essence easier, with each installment. If you are willing to invest the time in the game to learn gameplay, be patient with your progress, and accept that you will die with sometimes frustrating losses, you can find this a very rewarding type of game, if you can learn from your mistakes. That may mean taking a different approach, or returning to an area later upgraded. If you like cooperative gaming with friends, the design leaves something to be desired, however.

03-03-2015, 03:53 AM	#148
Blu-rob77 Blu-ray Guru Member since:Feb 2009 Location:hollister ca Blu-ray collection:148 Blu-ray reviews:1	Ok sounds great! I'm a casual gamer my kids play more then me lol. But this looks to great. This looks to keep me busy for awhile .

03-03-2015, 04:45 PM	#159
Darkhawk9587 Blu-ray Ninja Member since:Nov 2008 Location:Wisconsin 4K collection:66 Blu-ray collection:487 Trading Score:30	The more I read/see on this, the more I want to play it. Too bad I still have to finish a lot of games (including DS1 and 2). Looks amazing, though!

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