The Legend of Zelda: Breath of the Wild (Wii U) - March 3, 2017

[Steelmaker]

Originally Posted by Jacques Souvenir

Why do they have a release date for later this year?

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[jimidini]

Originally Posted by Derb

I don't understand how you can justify buying multiple games (there is your change for a system) for Wii/Wii U & not buy either a MS or Sony system.

My PS3 left me very dissatisfied. Horrible software quality. Installations. Games freezing left + right. No backward compatibility. And there were so many bad games, and I own around maybe 150 PS3 games. And then there also were all those region-specific issues despite Sony calling it region free. Even the PSN shop is sluggish and simply broken. And they managed to make this even worse this generation with for example paid multiplayer and other stupid and silly things.

I mean I just bought Syberia 1+2 "HD" collection for PS3 and what do you know - performance is horrible despite a longer installation and they even managed to make one trophy not work. In case you don't know what Syberia is about, it's linear adventure games. That should be easy to test. Tried to contact the company, so that they at least tell me if there is some workaround to get it - no reply. No patch. No nothing. Although the disc version was even released quite a bit after the original digital releases and my research showed that the digital versions already had this problem. I really can't believe it.

I think it's absolutely insane that Sony forces developers to add trophies to every single game, but doesn't give a shit in case they don't work. Or in case the game itself already doesn't work. It's baffling. And it seems they also charge quite a hefty price for every single patch. On Wii U developers are free to patch games. They don't have to pay a single dime to Nintendo. Oh and yes, Nintendo software alone most of the time doesn't require a single patch. That's how it should work. That's what I'm used to. That's what I consider a console. Disc in -> play. No disc in -> wait for patches to download -> wait for installation -> and now maybe play in case you are lucky.

There is no way that I will buy another Sony console ever again unless they change everything and they won't. And Microsoft well they are Microsoft. No way that I'm buying anything from them. I have to use their crap at work already. And what did they just announce? Every single XB1 game will work on PC. So there is not even a reason to buy their "consoles". Just use a PC. You get installations, but you would also get those on the "console".

I really hope NX uses carts and doesn't start with all of this crap as well. Cart in -> play. Sure, there would be quite a lot of patches for AAA-budget 3rd parties, but at least all the other crap wouldn't be there. And Wii U is quite nicely designed for patches + regular game downloads. Not only does it download while you play games, but you can even play multiplayer games and it will keep on downloading. It will lower the download speed in the latter case. That's what I would call well designed. No idea what the other "consoles" are doing. PS3 doesn't let you download patches in the background. And it also disables downloads when you play games.

[mike79]

Originally Posted by jimidini

My PS3 left me very dissatisfied. Horrible software quality. Installations. Games freezing left + right. No backward compatibility. And there were so many bad games, and I own around maybe 150 PS3 games. And then there also were all those region-specific issues despite Sony calling it region free. Even the PSN shop is sluggish and simply broken. And they managed to make this even worse this generation with for example paid multiplayer and other stupid and silly things.

I mean I just bought Syberia 1+2 "HD" collection for PS3 and what do you know - performance is horrible despite a longer installation and they even managed to make one trophy not work. In case you don't know what Syberia is about, it's linear adventure games. That should be easy to test. Tried to contact the company, so that they at least tell me if there is some workaround to get it - no reply. No patch. No nothing. Although the disc version was even released quite a bit after the original digital releases and my research showed that the digital versions already had this problem. I really can't believe it.

I think it's absolutely insane that Sony forces developers to add trophies to every single game, but doesn't give a shit in case they don't work. Or in case the game itself already doesn't work. It's baffling. And it seems they also charge quite a hefty price for every single patch. On Wii U developers are free to patch games. They don't have to pay a single dime to Nintendo. Oh and yes, Nintendo software alone most of the time doesn't require a single patch. That's how it should work. That's what I'm used to. That's what I consider a console. Disc in -> play. No disc in -> wait for patches to download -> wait for installation -> and now maybe play in case you are lucky.

There is no way that I will buy another Sony console ever again unless they change everything and they won't. And Microsoft well they are Microsoft. No way that I'm buying anything from them. I have to use their crap at work already. And what did they just announce? Every single XB1 game will work on PC. So there is not even a reason to buy their "consoles". Just use a PC. You get installations, but you would also get those on the "console".

I really hope NX uses carts and doesn't start with all of this crap as well. Cart in -> play. Sure, there would be quite a lot of patches for AAA-budget 3rd parties, but at least all the other crap wouldn't be there. And Wii U is quite nicely designed for patches + regular game downloads. Not only does it download while you play games, but you can even play multiplayer games and it will keep on downloading. It will lower the download speed in the latter case. That's what I would call well designed. No idea what the other "consoles" are doing. PS3 doesn't let you download patches in the background. And it also disables downloads when you play games.

Honestly sony pretty much addresses all of your complaints with the PS4. It if so much better than the PS3 in all of those areas you had issues with.

[dyne]

Originally Posted by Derb

No just a regular @ss game.

I don't understand how you can justify buying multiple games (there is your change for a system) for Wii/Wii U & not buy either a MS or Sony system.

A happy gamer is one with options.

You literally buy every single game. He doesn't. You're saying he's not a happy gamer because he doesn't do what you do?

[Derb]

Originally Posted by dyne

You literally buy every single game. He doesn't. You're saying he's not a happy gamer because he doesn't do what you do?

Nah, those days were long gone by around 5 months now.

If you can afford 3 versions of collector editions of 1 Nintendo game, I think you could spare/save money for a different console.

I said a happy gamer is one with options. Last I checked, Either Sony or MS consoles are not that expensive in EU.

[dyne]

Originally Posted by Derb

Nah, those days were long gone by around 5 months now.

If you can afford 3 versions of collector editions of 1 Nintendo game, I think you could spare/save money for a different console.

I said a happy gamer is one with options. Last I checked, Either Sony or MS consoles are not that expensive in EU.

Your comments still sound like somebody cannot be happy with one console. That's the point I'm trying to make. I'm in the process of finding a new house and all I have with me where I stay right now is my 3ds. It honestly has not bothered me the last 3 weeks to not have my PC, WiiU, PS4, Vita or Shield.

Well maybe the Shield a little. Damn good little emulation box that one is.

[Derb]

Originally Posted by jimidini

My PS3 left me very dissatisfied. Horrible software quality. Installations. Games freezing left + right. No backward compatibility. And there were so many bad games, and I own around maybe 150 PS3 games. And then there also were all those region-specific issues despite Sony calling it region free. Even the PSN shop is sluggish and simply broken. And they managed to make this even worse this generation with for example paid multiplayer and other stupid and silly things.

I mean I just bought Syberia 1+2 "HD" collection for PS3 and what do you know - performance is horrible despite a longer installation and they even managed to make one trophy not work. In case you don't know what Syberia is about, it's linear adventure games. That should be easy to test. Tried to contact the company, so that they at least tell me if there is some workaround to get it - no reply. No patch. No nothing. Although the disc version was even released quite a bit after the original digital releases and my research showed that the digital versions already had this problem. I really can't believe it.

I think it's absolutely insane that Sony forces developers to add trophies to every single game, but doesn't give a shit in case they don't work. Or in case the game itself already doesn't work. It's baffling. And it seems they also charge quite a hefty price for every single patch. On Wii U developers are free to patch games. They don't have to pay a single dime to Nintendo. Oh and yes, Nintendo software alone most of the time doesn't require a single patch. That's how it should work. That's what I'm used to. That's what I consider a console. Disc in -> play. No disc in -> wait for patches to download -> wait for installation -> and now maybe play in case you are lucky.

There is no way that I will buy another Sony console ever again unless they change everything and they won't. And Microsoft well they are Microsoft. No way that I'm buying anything from them. I have to use their crap at work already. And what did they just announce? Every single XB1 game will work on PC. So there is not even a reason to buy their "consoles". Just use a PC. You get installations, but you would also get those on the "console".

I really hope NX uses carts and doesn't start with all of this crap as well. Cart in -> play. Sure, there would be quite a lot of patches for AAA-budget 3rd parties, but at least all the other crap wouldn't be there. And Wii U is quite nicely designed for patches + regular game downloads. Not only does it download while you play games, but you can even play multiplayer games and it will keep on downloading. It will lower the download speed in the latter case. That's what I would call well designed. No idea what the other "consoles" are doing. PS3 doesn't let you download patches in the background. And it also disables downloads when you play games.

Assumptions.

Well I guess if your happy with Nintendo only, more Nintendo Power to ya.

I however do agree with you on PS3 as a gaming device. It excelled in everything including BD.. Games not so much. Problem was the fact it took them 6 years to get programmers to care enough to learn the cell. Meanwhile MS had a more familiar programmer base for 360 & that system also used double the RAM. Oh & I believe it was also right around the time IBM shook hands with MS & cashed out per se. Too bad cause IBM would still be top dog, not MS in OS.

[dyne]

2 million units is the point this will need to be profitable. I don't see it having any issue across the two platforms.

https://mynintendonews.com/2016/06/2...million-units/

[Steelmaker]

Originally Posted by dyne

2 million units is the point this will need to be profitable. I don't see it having any issue across the two platforms.

https://mynintendonews.com/2016/06/2...million-units/

Really? That seems like a very modest number, especially for a Zelda game. I would've thought this game's budget would have been much much higher.

[CuriousGamer]

Originally Posted by Steelmaker

Really? That seems like a very modest number, especially for a Zelda game. I would've thought this game's budget would have been much much higher.

That's still around $40-50m, assuming Nintendo makes around $20-25 per unit sold.

[Steelmaker]

Originally Posted by jimidini

My PS3 left me very dissatisfied. Horrible software quality. Installations. Games freezing left + right. No backward compatibility. And there were so many bad games, and I own around maybe 150 PS3 games. And then there also were all those region-specific issues despite Sony calling it region free. Even the PSN shop is sluggish and simply broken. And they managed to make this even worse this generation with for example paid multiplayer and other stupid and silly things.

I mean I just bought Syberia 1+2 "HD" collection for PS3 and what do you know - performance is horrible despite a longer installation and they even managed to make one trophy not work. In case you don't know what Syberia is about, it's linear adventure games. That should be easy to test. Tried to contact the company, so that they at least tell me if there is some workaround to get it - no reply. No patch. No nothing. Although the disc version was even released quite a bit after the original digital releases and my research showed that the digital versions already had this problem. I really can't believe it.

I think it's absolutely insane that Sony forces developers to add trophies to every single game, but doesn't give a shit in case they don't work. Or in case the game itself already doesn't work. It's baffling. And it seems they also charge quite a hefty price for every single patch. On Wii U developers are free to patch games. They don't have to pay a single dime to Nintendo. Oh and yes, Nintendo software alone most of the time doesn't require a single patch. That's how it should work. That's what I'm used to. That's what I consider a console. Disc in -> play. No disc in -> wait for patches to download -> wait for installation -> and now maybe play in case you are lucky.

There is no way that I will buy another Sony console ever again unless they change everything and they won't. And Microsoft well they are Microsoft. No way that I'm buying anything from them. I have to use their crap at work already. And what did they just announce? Every single XB1 game will work on PC. So there is not even a reason to buy their "consoles". Just use a PC. You get installations, but you would also get those on the "console".

I really hope NX uses carts and doesn't start with all of this crap as well. Cart in -> play. Sure, there would be quite a lot of patches for AAA-budget 3rd parties, but at least all the other crap wouldn't be there. And Wii U is quite nicely designed for patches + regular game downloads. Not only does it download while you play games, but you can even play multiplayer games and it will keep on downloading. It will lower the download speed in the latter case. That's what I would call well designed. No idea what the other "consoles" are doing. PS3 doesn't let you download patches in the background. And it also disables downloads when you play games.

Feel free to keep carrying that Nintendo torch if you want to. I fully acknowledge that MS/Xbox and Sony/Playstation have it's issues. However don't even sit here and sanctimoniously pretend like Nintendo's shit doesn't stink.

Nintendo's complete ineptness when it comes to 3rd party relationships, their archaic hardware designs, their woefully behind the times online network, their price gouging with Amiibos and 1st party titles (Mario Tennis is still 40.00?? Really??), Their petty "cease and desist" policing of You Tube play through videos of their games (which is free advertising Nintendo, you ****ing idiots) etc. There are more than enough reasons to scoff at Nintendo and for gamers to ignore them.

There's a REASON why Nintendo's audience is shrinking jimidini, and that's because they've been too stubborn for the last 20 years to pay attention to the market and listen to what gamers want. At least with Sony/MS I feel they actually listen to their audiences and have a much better idea of what they want. Nintendo operates in a vacuum and has not a clue about what 2016 gamers are looking for. Their IP's are strong. I'll give them that and it's mainly the reason why I still pay attention to them. However they are clueless when it comes to appealing to the modern gamer.

[Himmel]

So link will cook his own food.

http://m.facebook.com/story.php?stor...video.php&_rdr

[Steelmaker]

Originally Posted by HimmelBlau

So link will cook his own food.

http://m.facebook.com/story.php?stor...video.php&_rdr

I know. Groundbreaking stuff right there! "Ooooh look Link can cook. Ooooh look Link can jump. Ooooh look Link can climb!".

I understand that Link never did those things before but are these added 20 year old mechanics really cause for so much adoration (not saying you are HB, just in general).

[dyne]

It sure seems like youre projecting some hate at this game. I havn't really seen anywhere that has memtioned anything in this game is groundbreaking. Are people excited for it? Absolutely, but I have not seen one mention that anything in BotW is innovating anything. I think the excitment is more towards this. Eing the best example of Nintendo bringing it's design sense into the modern era. Has all of this stuff been in games before? Absolutely. But has it been done as well? Theres two game type similar analogs to compare it to. One is Bethesdas games which are buggy messes barely hanging on. Those game are basically the same game to game and yet theres still excitement for every one and they sell millions. One thing I can guarantee is that while probably nothing it does will innovate, you can be sure the scope and mechanics will be polished to a point where it can sit aside our pastimes second (and best) comparison, The Witcher 3. That's pretty good company to be around. Does The Witcher 3 do anything new? No, but the sheer scope and polish helped it to win many awards. Does that game not deserve the praise it gets?

[Steelmaker]

Originally Posted by dyne

It sure seems like youre projecting some hate at this game. I havn't really seen anywhere that has memtioned anything in this game is groundbreaking. Are people excited for it? Absolutely, but I have not seen one mention that anything in BotW is innovating anything. I think the excitment is more towards this. Eing the best example of Nintendo bringing it's design sense into the modern era. Has all of this stuff been in games before? Absolutely. But has it been done as well? Theres two game type similar analogs to compare it to. One is Bethesdas games which are buggy messes barely hanging on. Those game are basically the same game to game and yet theres still excitement for every one and they sell millions. One thing I can guarantee is that while probably nothing it does will innovate, you can be sure the scope and mechanics will be polished to a point where it can sit aside our pastimes second (and best) comparison, The Witcher 3. That's pretty good company to be around. Does The Witcher 3 do anything new? No, but the sheer scope and polish helped it to win many awards. Does that game not deserve the praise it gets?

Dyne, my problem is that if this game had any other name attached to it, the media and gaming public wouldn't be giving it the time of day. It sickens me the way the media fawns all over this game when so many other open world games have come before it, doing far more both graphically, mechanically, and with narrative. But this game gets a huge pass and wins all kinds of game of show awards because it's Zelda. Why?

[Derb]

Originally Posted by Steelmaker

Dyne, my problem is that if this game had any other name attached to it, the media and gaming public wouldn't be giving it the time of day. It sickens me the way the media fawns all over this game when so many other open world games have come before it, doing far more both graphically, mechanically, and with narrative. But this game gets a huge pass and wins all kinds of game of show awards because it's Zelda. Why?

Simple, most gamers are over the age 40. Second, they grew up with it. Third, it's a cult status game.

Most importantly, it's fun. At least Nintendo still knows how to do fun.

[dyne]

Originally Posted by Steelmaker

Dyne, my problem is that if this game had any other name attached to it, the media and gaming public wouldn't be giving it the time of day. It sickens me the way the media fawns all over this game when so many other open world games have come before it, doing far more both graphically, mechanically, and with narrative. But this game gets a huge pass and wins all kinds of game of show awards because it's Zelda. Why?

I stll don't get it. There's tons of series that havn't done any more than games before them and get a 'huge pass.' Just seems like you're hung up on this one for some reason. People are just excited because there's a lot of firsts FOR THE SERIES. Not for gaming. Nobody ever said that.

If Fallout 4 didn't have the Fallout name, would the media have gushed over it? It's the exact same game as part 3 and the rest that came out inbetween. Did it deserve it's praise? If Skyrim didn't follow Oblivion would the media have gushed over it? It doesn't do anything new that Oblivion didn't. The media gushes over The Last Guardian. Does it do anything new that Ico and SotC didn't do? No. it's a media darling BECAUSE of those games. Does Uncharted 4 do anything the other 4 didn't? No. See the trend?

[Steelmaker]

Originally Posted by dyne

If Fallout 4 didn't have the Fallout name, would the media have gushed over it? It's the exact same game as part 3 and the rest that came out inbetween. Did it deserve it's praise? If Skyrim didn't follow Oblivion would the media have gushed over it? It doesn't do anything new that Oblivion didn't. The media gushes over The Last Guardian. Does it do anything new that Ico and SotC didn't do? No. it's a media darling BECAUSE of those games. Does Uncharted 4 do anything the other 4 didn't? No. See the trend?

When Fallout 3 came out, the series had modest success on PC as an isometric RPG. To the console world it was an unknown IP. Same with The Witcher 3. Console gamers had very little knowledge of that series. Look at Horizon: Zero Dawn. A brand new IP that IMO wipes the floor with BOTW in terms of ambition, scope, narrative, graphics, etc.

My issue with Zelda BOTW (and many other Nintendo IP's) is that I'm sick of these tiny, incremental steps Nintendo makes to move their games into the modern era. Its 2016, why does Zelda still look like a game that was developed in 2010? And don't blame hardware. Other open world games like Skyrim, GTA 5, Fallout 3, look way more ambitious than BOTW and they were running on weaker hardware than Wii U. Look I get that some games do not need to look Uber gritty/ realistic but Zelda is one series that I think should, at least the environments. Imagine Link and that cast of characters in a Witcher 3 (especially Blood and Wine) setting!! Pikmin 3 has this contrast with cutesy, cartoon characters set against photorealistic backgrounds and it works great! Metroid is another. Could you imagine a Metroid game with the production value of something like Mass Effect? StarFox is another. How do you release an aerial combat game in 2016 that's still on predetermined paths and no online multiplayer? Where is the ambition with the development of these games Dyne? Where is the production value? Is Nintendo really THAT cheap to put the money/resources into their games to make them more modern? Id say Mario Kart 8 is the only game on Wii U that truly looks like Nintendo spent some coin to make look next gen and the results speak for themselves! It rivals many games on PS4/X1.

Look the reason I rant so much about this is because I DO care about Nintendo! I'm a huge fan because I grew up with them and they provided countless hours of fun for me as a teenager and young adult. I just wish they would"grow up" WITH me, just a damn little bit! I'm not saying stop making games with family appeal. Just try a little harder to make your games look and play the way they should in 2016 to appeal to MY generation! Act like you haven't forgotten or abandoned the same generation that put you here in the first place!

[Derb]

Yeah I like retro Zelda.

Growing up with Atari & all that I've been gaming awhile. The appeal for me comes from Nintendo not trying at all to be super realistic. You sure as sh!t know they could if they wanted that look. The games have evolved over console generations & have looked good. This latest one looks like another console gen leap as well while still maintaining that artistic style. Telling Nintendo to grow up & change that is like telling anime fans to make their cartoons more realistic.

[Steelmaker]

Originally Posted by Derb

Yeah I like retro Zelda.

Growing up with Atari & all that I've been gaming awhile. The appeal for me comes from Nintendo not trying at all to be super realistic. You sure as sh!t know they could if they wanted that look. The games have evolved over console generations & have looked good. This latest one looks like another console gen leap as well while still maintaining that artistic style. Telling Nintendo to grow up & change that is like telling anime fa...ns to make their cartoons more realistic.

How do you figure?

And you like retro Zelda because...you kind of have to. With Nintendo it's either that or nothing. However I guarantee you if Nintendo unveiled a new Zelda game with the level of scope and detail as The Witcher 3, you and every other gamer would $hit their pantaloons!