Wonder Woman 1984 4K UHD (2020)

[TheBiz]

Wonder Woman: Full House Edition

[bradnoyes]

If the only options for the future of DC is either a return to Snyder or to keep going down the path of WW84, then all I can say is yikes! I'll just go hide under a rock until the inevitable full reboot.

[pottyaboutpotter1]

Originally Posted by FilmBufffff

Really? That's probably the truest statement ever committed to a forum. Don't be such a fanboy shill.

Giving Zack Snyder full creative control over the franchise is exactly what got the DC franchise into the mess it’s currently in. Going back to Snyder is not what’s going to get them out of it.

Snyder’s take on the characters was rejected by audiences and disliked by critics. Just because Snyder had a vision doesn’t automatically mean his vision was any good.

Every time Snyder makes a statement or announcement about his cut of Justice League, the more I begin to understand and actually agree with WB for panicking like hell originally. Because it appears to be another bloated, overlong mess that continues to misunderstand why people like these characters and seems to mistake edginess for being ‘mature’.

I mean, this is a guy who made Watchmen into a film and proved how little he actually understood it since a majority of the themes and messages are completely absent in the film.

[Darkstream]

Originally Posted by pottyaboutpotter1

Giving Zack Snyder full creative control over the franchise is exactly what got the DC franchise into the mess it’s currently in. Going back to Snyder is not what’s going to get them out of it.

Snyder’s take on the characters was rejected by audiences and disliked by critics. Just because Snyder had a vision doesn’t automatically mean his vision was any good.

Every time Snyder makes a statement or announcement about his cut of Justice League, the more I begin to understand and actually agree with WB for panicking like hell originally. Because it appears to be another bloated, overlong mess that continues to misunderstand why people like these characters and seems to mistake edginess for being ‘mature’.

I mean, this is a guy who made Watchmen into a film and proved how little he actually understood it since a majority of the themes and messages are completely absent in the film.

Rich. Crapping on Snyder and his supposed misunderstanding of DC characters, but in the mean time you have a character as your avatar that represents the worst run of Star Wars films that misunderstands its characters.

[Farerb]

I knew someone would bring up Star Wars at some point lol.

[Phillip c. Niethe]

Wow, this film was terrible, I enjoyed the first film and overlooked about 20 min. of so so dialogue but I genuinely feel both Battlefield Earth and The Room were better than this...and I mean that

[Farerb]

To me it was just like any other superhero/comicbook film so either people haven't seen a superhero film in a year and they had forgotten how they are or this is the genre fatigue I have been expecting since Endgame.

[eledoremassis02]

A lot more people seem to at least warm up to the extended version of BVS so (it would appear to me) WB panicking and editing the crap out of film is what got them into this mess (same could be said for Justice League *as of this posting*). Zacks DC films slap people in the face with his take on current events and that rubs a lot of people the wrong way, whereas Marvel is escapist fun...both are fine but for some reason people can't seem to like what people dislike (I don't like most of the Marvel films but that's my thing)

For what it's worth, while I like about Snyders Superman is the same reason why I don't like Nolans Batman.

But as for WW84:
Begining: Smacking you with kid friendly 80s fun
Middle: Checklist of Wonder Woman fan service
End: Pretty good and arguably better than the last act of the first film (tho not as good as the first film overall

[XavierTheaterPotato]

Originally Posted by GC Riot

I love the comics Johns writes. No one writes big event comics better than him, and he regularly knocks it out of the park.
That said, I agree. Him being a great comic writer doesn't automatically translate into great filmmaking, and by the sound of things, he's the one who has been meddling with a lot of the directors' original visions, for the worse.

I can also apply this to JK Rowling as of recent. She was good at Writing a book, not so much a Movie. Your skills don't translate very well jumping from medium to medium seamlessly.

I really feel like The DCEU has something going for. While having Snyder spearhead everything might not be the best idea, but at least let him have the freedom he needs to make a movie he's known to make, great or not.

[RXP]

I liked it as a boxing day popcorn movie spent with the family. It was really good for that - few nice scotches and it was entertaining. But that's it - it felt more like a Netflix blockbuster.

Was really disappointed with it compared to the first, which I adored. Very simple characters and the action scenes were goofy as hell. I can't also help but see IMAX as a way to now charge extra - just like 3D used to be. They only made use of it for the two scenes - was expecting more! Very happy I didn't end up paying £50 at the IMAX to watch it for 2.

I hope it comes out on 3D blu. That's the only way I'll bother to re-watch it.

Still was kind of a historic occasion - the premiere of a movie that I thought I'd see at the cinema in my home theater. Didn't really notice the Atmos but the HDR was well done.

[birdztudio]

Originally Posted by ray0414

Very disappointed with the lack of Imax scenes. Meaningless Imax at the beginning and meaningless Imax at the end, with zero Imax in between with none of the action scenes being Imax.

OH, and literally all of the best scenes were in the trailer �� the lightning swing scene is literally as long as the trailer shows.

[Show spoiler]i loved the opening sequence in IMAX but agreed that they should've be more, especially that action sequence on street of cairo

[pottyaboutpotter1]

Originally Posted by Darkstream

Rich. Crapping on Snyder and his supposed misunderstanding of DC characters, but in the mean time you have a character as your avatar that represents the worst run of Star Wars films that misunderstands its characters.

Actually the Star Wars sequels show a pretty great understanding of the iconic characters like Luke, Han and Leia. Luke in particular is such a great and well-done character by showing how trying to live up to the legend of Luke Skywalker actually led Luke to fail. Luke’s arc in The Last Jedi is a perfect representation of who Luke would be 30 years on if he had to watch evil rise again with his nephew at the front of it.

And Rey’s arc of finding belonging in the people around you who actually love and care for you rather than the family who abandoned you is a great arc too.

And I’d argue anyday that Rian Johnson has a much firmer grasp on the themes and ideals of Star Wars than many of its so-called ‘fans’ and Johnson’s view on Star Wars is actually very in line with what Lucas wanted the sequels to be anyway such as blurring the lines between good and evil, showing the heroes as flawed etc while ultimately being a story about hope and redemption. Han and Leia’s son and Luke’s apprentice turning evil as a result of Luke’s attempts at teaching was actually from Lucas.

But I’m not here to argue about Star Wars. In fact, Star Wars has got nothing to do with DC. So, nice job trying to deflect by changing the subject but it didn’t work.

[Lutz]

Originally Posted by Darkstream

Rich. Crapping on Snyder and his supposed misunderstanding of DC characters, but in the mean time you have a character as your avatar that represents the worst run of Star Wars films that misunderstands its characters.

Rich. Crapping on someone with a Star Wars avatar and his supposed misunderstanding of characters, but in the mean time you also have a Star Wars character as your avatar that represents the worst run of Star Wars that misunderstands it and is now just pure fan service.

[levcore]

Enough about Star Wars, this thread is for Wonder Woman 1984.

[4kUltraBD]

Zack Snyder is very hit or miss for me. Quite truthfully, mostly miss. What’s weird though, is that his hits (300 & Watchmen) are damn near masterpieces, in certain ways. However, his misses are way off the mark. Making me wonder what’s going on in his head.

I was one of the few people who genuinely disliked the original WW film. The dialogue was eye rolling in parts, and the final act was horrible CGI, and lacked any wonder at all.

Oddly, I’m looking forward to Jenkins’ and Gadot’s Cleopatra film, and hope it’s good. Everyone I know in person has panned WW84 really, really hard. I have yet to see it, but I’m planning to watch it, just so I can make up my own mind. Review aggregator websites cannot be trusted for actual real film criticism these days, so that doesn’t make any difference to me. Even reviews from friends and family aren’t going to sway me in either direction.

Simply by virtue of being part of a film franchise, almost gives these films (as well as MCU films) a license to not have to truly worry about making something good or entertaining. It also makes all of them “review proof” in that there’s already a built in audience that will watch all of them sooner or later, simply because they’re already so heavily invested in the franchise. I’m not excluding myself here either. If this weren’t part of the DCEU, I’d skip it entirely. As it stands, I’m essentially just another member of the larger “captive audience”.

[buck135]

Originally Posted by levcore

Enough about Star Wars, this thread is for Wonder Woman 1984.

To be honest though, there aren't very many Star Wars threads here.



WW84 was okay. I loved every second of screen time Kristen Wiig got. I would have loved to see more of Cheetah.

[josephtbenitez]

Originally Posted by buck135

To be honest though, there aren't very many Star Wars threads here.



WW84 was okay. I loved every second of screen time Kristen Wiig got. I would have loved to see more of Cheetah.

I loved cheetah until her final form. That’s some of the worst CGI I’ve seen and they must have known it considering how dark and short the scene was 😳

[Guydowood]

My take on WW84 was meh. Way to much chit chat and less on action considering by tradition sequels are supposed to be bigger, bolder and better(?). I thought the bringing back of Steve Trevor was lazy and not really needed and Pedro Pascal hammed it up way to much to be a clever villain. I felt like he was miscast and could careless. Gadot was OK but just didn't seem as into the role as she was in the first film and her stints in JL and BvS. Wiig was OK too. Considering this movie is doing poorly overseas and Warner Bros. has yet to release the #'s on how well the US market is doing w/ theatrical and streaming I think the fate of a WW3 is looking grim.

[jFug]

I guess I'm in the minority that liked it. Although unlike most people I actually love the DCEU, warts and all.

First, Kristen Wiig killed it as Minerva. I know a lot of people were scratching their heads at her being cast in that role, but she obviously has A LOT of talent aside from comedy.

Second, I actually liked how this film had less action and focused more on Diana as a person. I could also see how people wouldn't like this, as well.

There were some things that had me confused, though. Such as the fact that

[Show spoiler]Barbara wasn't killed by being electrocuted at the end

. And to me the ending scene felt, out of place, to put it simply.

[nathan_h]

Lots of hate here for this film. I enjoyed it for what it is, a shallow popcorn flick. From a technical standpoint I was glad to see the IMAX scenes were in IMAX. Sure wish Nolan's film had this feature or option for the streaming editions. I mean, I'm mostly a CIH guy, but it is nice to have the option of seeing the IMAX stuff..... (though like everyone else they cropped IMAX down from the square format which I prefer to the more convenient 16x9 aspect ratio, losing a bunch of content on the bottom and the top).

I thought it was funny/ironic that the theme was essentially the same as

[Show spoiler]It's a Wonderful Life which is kind of subversive when it comes to a movie about super heroes and super villains....and funny to release on Dec 25.

I would have enjoyed some more humor, which it looked like we might get when they were doing a parody of 80s action flicks in the beginning, but that receded after a while. And while I was glad the third act avoided being wall to wall CGI battles (those put me to sleep) it felt rushed to hit the plot points....which is ironic given how long the movie is overall.

Kinda want a TV series for WW. Would allow the character stuff to breathe more. That's where the interesting stuff is that builds the drama, tension, motivation, complexities and payoffs.

Although DC movies have been more variable than Marvel ones, I sure am glad they aren't just trying to mimic the Marvel formula. Has DC hit their stride? Maybe not. But the more humor they add in, the better they tend to be. Shazam wasn't perfect but it got the humor bit right and was super refreshing. I don't think the tone would quite work for WW but some of the early scenes in WW84 suggest it might be worth exploring.

It is pretty clear that the more CGI battles she is involved in the more it becomes generic cliched animated movie fare and that doesn't seem to please anyone. The battle with

[Show spoiler]Cheetah at the end might be the worst cliche. The roadway battle in Egypt was the best.

At first I was confused by

[Show spoiler]allowing Cheetah to survive

, but then two things become apparent:

First, Patty Jenkins is required to set up future DC films and

[Show spoiler]Cheetah could be useful for those.

Second, they did an interesting thing with death in this movie:

[Show spoiler]Wonder Woman kills no one. She doesn't even kill the big baddie. She beats him with smarts and words. That is not completely unusual in comic books but using smarts like that has seldom been a part of the comic book inspired movie world. It was nice to see that twist even if some of the exposition in the last act was tenuous (like how does the son end up traversing so many different places in the city while dad is away, conquering the world).

Other funny thing: They mention

[Show spoiler] the monkey's paw

, which is almost breaking the fourth wall....but the theme ends up being

[Show spoiler]a step or two deeper than that

.

And I sure am glad WB put this on home video! We've had one relative die, and lots of them are at risk, and the local ICU beds are completely full -- and yet people still insist on recreational travel and gatherings of friends and family and eschew mask whenever possible. I realize WB put it online for selfish reasons, but it also helps make the time at home more pleasant.