Blu-ray vs. Laserdisc DTS (Yes... Laserdisc) - Page 8 - Blu-ray Forum

zahne · 04-03-2014, 08:45 PM

I only own LDs that don't yet exist on BluRay. I've never been happy with the sound on DVDs and I can't stand MPEG2 artifacts. They make me cringe. I'll take analog imperfections over them any day.

I've heard some die hard LD owners say that LD has better mixes on their soundtracks despite being lossy. Mostly because LD was always an elitist home theater consumer base and not a rush to market for mass appeal kind of group. So, many studios put more care into film transfers for color, contrast, and sound mixing. Sounds plausible. And I think BluRay has lost many viewers to streaming, DVR, and DVD stragglers so BluRay has become a format for more cared for releases.

But we still get some pretty crummy releases on BluRay at times

In my experience LD is always preferable to DVD. And is only preferable to BluRay when the BluRay release doesn't exist.

timcat4843 · 06-17-2014, 04:37 PM

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Originally Posted by zahne

But we still get some pretty crummy releases on BluRay at times: (

And that's killing the Blu-ray format.
Inconsistent picture and sound quality.
Some releases get the top tier treatment, while many others don't.
The average Joe can't see or hear any difference, between DVD's and Blu-ray's.
So why the need to upgrade to Blu-ray?

Case in point, the James Bond movie Goldeneye.
I have this flick on laserdisc, DVD and Blu-ray.
The picture quality is good on all three formats.
However, the audio quality is fabulous on laserdisc, good on DVD, but terrible on Blu-ray.
The audio on Blu-ray sounds muffled, constricted and just plain lousy.

Kryptonic · 06-17-2014, 04:57 PM

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Originally Posted by timcat4843

Case in point, the James Bond movie Goldeneye.
I have this flick on laserdisc, DVD and Blu-ray.
The picture quality is good on all three formats.
However, the audio quality is fabulous on laserdisc, good on DVD, but terrible on Blu-ray.
The audio on Blu-ray sounds muffled, constricted and just plain lousy.

This is 100% incorrect on every level. I have no doubt the LD sounded good, especially for its day, but the DVD can not compare to the Blu-ray at all.

timcat4843 · 06-17-2014, 05:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Kryptonic

This is 100% incorrect on every level. I have no doubt the LD sounded good, especially for its day, but the DVD can not compare to the Blu-ray at all.

Believe it or not, but the audio quality on my DVD, does indeed sound much
better, than what's on the Goldeneye Blu-ray disc.

Strange, but true.

Kryptonic · 06-17-2014, 07:54 PM

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Originally Posted by timcat4843

Believe it or not, but the audio quality on my DVD, does indeed sound much
better, than what's on the Goldeneye Blu-ray disc.

Strange, but true.

Strange, because it's not true. Maybe it's louder on your setup, but louder is not better.

invenio · 06-17-2014, 10:14 PM

I can't speak specifically about the goldeneye comparison, but I can attest that I have noticed that the sound mix on some laserdiscs is superior to their blu-ray remastered editions. This is obviously not because blu-ray audio codecs are inferior, it's just that whoever was doing the blu-ray mastering didn't care/know better/lacked access to a better source.

Kryptonic · 06-17-2014, 10:54 PM

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Originally Posted by invenio

I can't speak specifically about the goldeneye comparison, but I can attest that I have noticed that the sound mix on some laserdiscs is superior to their blu-ray remastered editions. This is obviously not because blu-ray audio codecs are inferior, it's just that whoever was doing the blu-ray mastering didn't care/know better/lacked access to a better source.

It has more to do with LD's and DVD's just being mixed louder and "hotter". For instance, Attack of the Clones on DVD has more boomy bass, but it's not as detailed and nuanced as the Blu-ray, leading some to believe that the DVD is better when it's just louder.

punisher · 06-18-2014, 01:46 PM

time was taken to do LD's and DVD's soundtracks.....blu ray production is just lazy.The assumption that the more sound bits will automatically make it sound better is wrong. More and more we see examples of poor audio and video transfers on blu ray.

DRC72 · 06-18-2014, 02:06 PM

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Originally Posted by punisher

time was taken to do LD's and DVD's soundtracks.....blu ray production is just lazy.The assumption that the more sound bits will automatically make it sound better is wrong. More and more we see examples of poor audio and video transfers on blu ray.

That's why your seeing a lot of previous blu's being remastered, and all issues with the source material being corrected. As for LD it was quite an amazing technology back in the day. Never understood why it didn't take off as DVD and Bluray did.

punisher · 06-18-2014, 02:15 PM

I had quite a collection but when I saw my first dvd I knew it was doomed. had some pretty rare ones too. Sold them them all. Some I took hits on, some I made huge dollars on. I loved my LD's like my LP's. So kool to watch movies in WS back then too.

Kryptonic · 06-18-2014, 02:37 PM

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Originally Posted by punisher

time was taken to do LD's and DVD's soundtracks.....blu ray production is just lazy.The assumption that the more sound bits will automatically make it sound better is wrong. More and more we see examples of poor audio and video transfers on blu ray.

No. More bits makes soundtracks and transfers technically better, end of story. Whether it's noticeable is dependent on the particular soundtrack source. 99.999% of the time, the Blu-ray picture and sound is a huge improvement over DVD, much less LD.

punisher · 06-18-2014, 03:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Kryptonic

No. More bits makes soundtracks and transfers technically better, end of story. Whether it's noticeable is dependent on the particular soundtrack source. 99.999% of the time, the Blu-ray picture and sound is a huge improvement over DVD, much less LD.

nope....how it's mixed and the person and the time and the effort put in. I have yet to feel the sound on either dvd, which was done wrong and on blu ray, that was on my CAV LD box set of Jurrasic Park. New soundtracks are loud and noisy and very digital in sounding. LD's were analog like. Just like a good LP compared to a remastered CD. Most people today are in tune to digital sound just like Papa John's Pizza. It's matter of taste. Me, I'll take a good lp and and a crispy pie from Tony's any day.

Pondosinatra · 06-18-2014, 03:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Kryptonic

No. More bits makes soundtracks and transfers technically better, end of story...

Disagree. I'm a big SACD fan, but there are some releases that frankly don't sound that great. Even if they 'technically' have more bits.

Kryptonic · 06-18-2014, 03:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Pondosinatra

Disagree. I'm a big SACD fan, but there are some releases that frankly don't sound that great. Even if they 'technically' have more bits.

You didn't read the rest of my post, did you?

Pondosinatra · 07-03-2014, 09:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Kryptonic

You didn't read the rest of my post, did you?

I did. But it's frankly irrelevant.

oldgame · 07-04-2014, 03:59 PM

However,... The picture quality looks so poor that I can't watch them. LD PQ is no longer watchable for me. I guess if I had a great video processor but I don't.

-Brian[/QUOTE]

I read that about every blu-ray. It's unwatchable because of to much dnr, or the color timing is off or to soft.

saprano · 07-04-2014, 07:37 PM

Alot of people prefer LD because they used the theatrical mix for them. Jurassic Park on LD i've heard sounds way better than the bluray version. The bluray is a completely different mix. The LD has better dynamics too. This is coming from people who heard both. The scene with the lamb's body falling of top of car sounds weak on bluray compared to the LD.

I imagine this must be true for alot of bluray releases. We hardly get the original theatrical mix. It's a new altered mix.

I would to hear LD version of movies like

Casper
Alien
Titanic
DieHard series
Jurassic Park

And many more of the action movies from the 80's and 90's.

PeterTHX · 07-04-2014, 08:02 PM

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Originally Posted by saprano

Alot of people prefer LD because they used the theatrical mix for them.

No, they like it because the levels are jacked and not encoded properly.

The LFE is 10dB over (10 times), the surrounds 3dB (double) the levels of what they are supposed to be.

Plus digital sound isn't new anymore. 20 years of it has jaded us. What sounded impressive in 1993 is average these days. When you hear JP at the level it's supposed to be it's not that the same experience.

Last Starfighter · 07-04-2014, 08:41 PM

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Originally Posted by DRC72

As for LD it was quite an amazing technology back in the day. Never understood why it didn't take off as DVD and Bluray did.

Yah, LDs blew me away when i saw them at my friends place for the 1st time, even my VHS dubs of LD movies looked great. Anyways, i think they didn't take off cause movies were $50+ per disc, am i in the right range?

slimdude · 07-04-2014, 08:44 PM

I doubt very much if, anybody would watch laserdisc movies period, rather than the blu-ray releases anyway.

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04-03-2014, 08:45 PM	#141
zahne Junior Member Member since:May 2009	I only own LDs that don't yet exist on BluRay. I've never been happy with the sound on DVDs and I can't stand MPEG2 artifacts. They make me cringe. I'll take analog imperfections over them any day. I've heard some die hard LD owners say that LD has better mixes on their soundtracks despite being lossy. Mostly because LD was always an elitist home theater consumer base and not a rush to market for mass appeal kind of group. So, many studios put more care into film transfers for color, contrast, and sound mixing. Sounds plausible. And I think BluRay has lost many viewers to streaming, DVR, and DVD stragglers so BluRay has become a format for more cared for releases. But we still get some pretty crummy releases on BluRay at times In my experience LD is always preferable to DVD. And is only preferable to BluRay when the BluRay release doesn't exist.

06-17-2014, 10:14 PM	#146
invenio Active Member Top contributor Member since:Mar 2009 Location:New Hampshire Home Theater Gallery:132 4K collection:3 Blu-ray collection:116 Blu-ray reviews:6	I can't speak specifically about the goldeneye comparison, but I can attest that I have noticed that the sound mix on some laserdiscs is superior to their blu-ray remastered editions. This is obviously not because blu-ray audio codecs are inferior, it's just that whoever was doing the blu-ray mastering didn't care/know better/lacked access to a better source.

06-18-2014, 01:46 PM	#148
punisher Blu-ray Knight Member since:May 2010 Location:MSG CHASE BRIDGE Blu-ray reviews:2 Trading Score:222	time was taken to do LD's and DVD's soundtracks.....blu ray production is just lazy.The assumption that the more sound bits will automatically make it sound better is wrong. More and more we see examples of poor audio and video transfers on blu ray.

06-18-2014, 02:15 PM	#150
punisher Blu-ray Knight Member since:May 2010 Location:MSG CHASE BRIDGE Blu-ray reviews:2 Trading Score:222	I had quite a collection but when I saw my first dvd I knew it was doomed. had some pretty rare ones too. Sold them them all. Some I took hits on, some I made huge dollars on. I loved my LD's like my LP's. So kool to watch movies in WS back then too.

07-04-2014, 03:59 PM	#156
oldgame Senior Member Member since:May 2009 Home Theater Gallery:46 Blu-ray reviews:11	However,... The picture quality looks so poor that I can't watch them. LD PQ is no longer watchable for me. I guess if I had a great video processor but I don't. -Brian[/QUOTE] I read that about every blu-ray. It's unwatchable because of to much dnr, or the color timing is off or to soft.

07-04-2014, 07:37 PM	#157
saprano Blu-ray Champion Top contributor Member since:Oct 2007 Location:Bronx, New York Blu-ray collection:495 Blu-ray reviews:2 Trading Score:9	Alot of people prefer LD because they used the theatrical mix for them. Jurassic Park on LD i've heard sounds way better than the bluray version. The bluray is a completely different mix. The LD has better dynamics too. This is coming from people who heard both. The scene with the lamb's body falling of top of car sounds weak on bluray compared to the LD. I imagine this must be true for alot of bluray releases. We hardly get the original theatrical mix. It's a new altered mix. I would to hear LD version of movies like Casper Alien Titanic DieHard series Jurassic Park And many more of the action movies from the 80's and 90's.

07-04-2014, 08:44 PM	#160
slimdude Banned Member since:Apr 2009 4K collection:- Blu-ray collection:- DVD collection:- Blu-ray reviews:8	I doubt very much if, anybody would watch laserdisc movies period, rather than the blu-ray releases anyway.

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